Has Laudato si changed you as a Catholic?

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Amen! Thank you!
Peace of JESUS be with you!
One of the major precepts of conservation is personal and family (the domestic Church) responsibility; as the fundamental building block of society; including every single venue. Church, Education, Media, Government.
Fostering health objectively moral healthy families obviously builds more healthy venues.
A tunnel vision collectivist approach to overly dwell on environment detracts from a holistic Church Teaching.
Therefore, the dire bias in mainstream educational, media, political faction venues;
(even some factions in The Church which minimize these things for a ‘collectivist’
mentality - forming liaisons with those who solemnly oppose objective moral virtue for the family whereby those in opposition are excellent at emotionally charged subjective justifications opposed to objective morality for the well being of families.)
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We know by the extremely apropos, The Gospel of Life; that the God given intrinsic value of every human life from conception to last breath, heartbeat, into the hereafter; is extremely important in Sacred Solemn Moral issue, including LAUDATO SI, which alludes to this. It also alludes to fostering wisdom(God concern for others and the common good as opposed to being merely wise), virtuous fruits of The Holy Spirit families.
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It is no secret that the extreme bias in main stream media ambiguity in the world touts much emotionally charged seeming logical rhetoric which fosters a radical secular humanist moral relativist culture of death harmful to the psyches of youth & impressionable from families the fundamental building block of society. This is not good for caring for the earth; which is very obvious.
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Dietrich von Hildebrand, even opposed by a Bishop in the early 1930s, saw right through the community organizing for a ‘collective’ bias all through the 1920s in Germany. I have a copy of the 1993 printing of ‘A Trojan Horse in The City of God:
The Catholic Crisis Explained,’ by Dietrich von Hildebrand authorized printing by Alice von Hildebrand with a forward by John Cardinal O’Connor. It outlines the virtues of Vatican ii; but the extreme dangers of loose interpretations. Extremely relevant in our day, especially in light of a multilateral oligarchical group fostering an encouraging more and more radically the continued mass murder against the helpless & weak atrocity of the culture of death - the most immense in world history.
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[note] “reference-point for civil salvation.” within quote below certainly has within
a holistic meaning caring for the earth.
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" Life, truth, love: words full of stimulating suggestions for human efforts in the world. They are rooted in the message of Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth and the Life, but they are also impressed upon the hearts and yearnings of every man and woman."
" 3. The evidence shows with increasing clarity how policies and laws opposed to life are causing societies to decline, not only morally but demographically and economically. The Encyclical’s message can therefore be presented not only as true and authentic guidelines for moral rebirth, but also as a reference-point for civil salvation.
Thus, there is no reason for that type of defeatist mentality which claims that laws opposed to the right to life - those which legalize abortion, euthanasia, sterilization and methods of family planning opposed to life and the dignity of marriage - are inevitable and now almost a social necessity. On the contrary, they are a seed of corruption for society and its foundations.

The civil and moral conscience cannot accept this false inevitability, any more than the idea that war or interethnic extermination is inevitable.
  1. The chapters of the Encyclical that address the relationship between the civil and moral law deserve great attention because of the growing importance they are destined to have in the restoration of social life. Pastors, the faithful and people of good will, especially if they are lawmakers, are asked for a renewed and united commitment to change unjust laws that legitimize or tolerate such violence.
No effort should be spared to eliminate legalized crime or at least to limit the damage caused by these laws, but with the vivid awareness of the radical duty to respect every human being’s right to life from conception until natural death, including the life of the lowliest and the least gifted." - excerpts from ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II AT THE COMMEMORATION OF THE FIFTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ENCYCLICAL “EVANGELIUM VITAE” Monday, 14 February 2000
 
Peace of JESUS,
thank you for this discussion.
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It is common knowledge today that ‘relativism’ in all of its forms is an extreme solemn problem facing youth and impressionable. Highly important in light of how ‘trends’ happen, no matter how popular in the face of this problem. Some forms of relativism include - religious relativism (indifferentism), ethical or moral relativism, Social Constructionism - which dangerously insists that there are no facts except socially constructed ones. Some trends have been forming for hundreds of years because
of false philosophers of the middle ages mixing truth with lies in crafty honey speech rhetorical ways. And since the mid 1800s in certain ways. And a false trend of true freedom from GOD expressed as licence rather than doing as each person, family, whereby they make up venues doing as they aught with objectivity expressed as an ideal; which the latter comes from GOD.
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It is common knowledge today that ‘relativism’ in all of its forms is an extreme
solemn problem facing youth and impressionable. It isn’t a ‘catch phrase,’
in light of how ‘trends’ happen, no matter how popular in the face of this problem.
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“Truth is eternal
This dethronement of truth includes several grave errors. First,
there is the error of replacing the never superannuated and noble
impact of truth, especially of fundamental metaphysical and religious
truth, with the short-lived sociological efficacy and the historical
fashionableness of an idea.
The eternal, unchanging nobility and attraction of truth, oi
which St. Augustine says, “Quod desiderat anima fortius quam
veritatem?” (What does our soul desire mote than truth?), is no
longer understood. It has been forgotten that compared with this
intrinsic Life of truth, the mere sociological reality or an idea is a
on-day fly, an ephemeral being destined to be replaced by other
ideas, other currents and attitudes, after a longer or shorter passage
of time.”
  • source: pp. 102 “Trojan Horse in the City of God: The Catholic Crises Explained”
    by Dietrich von Hildebrand
 
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Are you trying to argue that a person can’t be both anti abortion and pro environment? Because I guarantee you that I am both according to the teaching of the Church. I believe that a necessary battle against abortion needs to be fought now by addressing the current crisis that the world is facing due to the greedy exploitation and destruction of the environment. This I believe because the Church affirms the correlation.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
Are you trying to argue that a person can’t be both anti abortion and pro environment?
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People can be both. You just need to be careful which pro-environment people you listen to. Most secular environmentalists have a pro-choice, population control, anti-Catholic teaching agenda. They will lead you astray.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
Most secular environmentalists
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Most secular environentalists I know don’t talk about population control at all on the topic. They usually talk about alternative energies and greenhouse gases emissions.

And I work in an Environmental Sciences Institute. Most of my coworkers are pro-choice, but they never mixed their views about abortion and the family (to which I don’t agree at all) with their views about sustainable development.
 
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That could be. If you are working in that environment you would know more than I.
The main person that comes to my mind, is of course Jeffrey Sachs, who won the Blue Planet Award for his contributions to environmental problems. Not all but most of his solutions for what he considers an overpopulated planet are geared at decreasing the size of families through “women’s healthcare”, another name for abortion and contraceptives.
 
Most environmentalists I know never shut up about population control.
 
And? You’re using it to assume positions in a political discussion. Methinks you’re citing Ignatian spirituality to excuse assumptions made.
 
I can’t possible fathom how you subjectively ‘sensed’ (really inferred) the assertion you propose in your question. If you had the time, which I hope you did; to read what I wrote in this thread, I doubt you would not even have asked that question.
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Nor do I understand your subjective ‘sensing’ belief(really inference) that the immediate moral imperative in creating a climate of sustained vast sign of life and charity for a Gospel of Life; by informing families much more diligently with salt and light; —> whereby informed caring consciences of families, The Domestic Church; and fundamental building block of society that builds the venues of society - such as education, media, government: will both address the end of the millions of deaths mass atrocity crime against humanity; and be more equipped to foster caring for the earth.
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This also must be in light of the number of claims from a largely multilateral bias toward a Social Constructionist (a form of relativism) radical secular humanist moral relativist culture of death; that have not come true. They create an atmosphere of acceptance of the status quo of a culture of death; and propose making it worse - even against conscience rights & other Creator given self evident freedoms.
Whereby, those who study the data with prudent non rush to judgement deep concern for the earth did not make those claims, yet are often ‘scoffed’ at. That certainly isn’t conducive to a non spin objective discussion in the biased educational, media, and political factions - even in The Church right now to a huge degree by some.
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Peace of Jesus Beloved Savior, The Way, The Truth, and The Life;
The Light of The World be with you.
 
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This thread is weird.

“Has a recent Vatican Encyclical on collective action for environmental stewardship changed you as a Catholic?”

“Eeeeeeeeeew! Stay away from those environmentalists. They’re liberal and into abortion!”

Perhaps it’s safe to paraphrase that second quote as, “No. Not really.”
 
blackforest said:
This thread is weird.

“Has a recent Vatican Encyclical on collective action for environmental stewardship changed you as a Catholic?”

“Eeeeeeeeeew! Stay away from those environmentalists. They’re liberal and into abortion!”

Perhaps it’s safe to paraphrase that second quote as, “No. Not really.”
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What strikes me (as you have found) is that Laudato si, a document calling a generation to urgent attention… endorsed and promoted by all the bishops conferences around the world and the subject of Sunday homilies on a regular basis… has no real interest to members on the most famous Catholic forum in the world.
 
Rejoicing in the salt (Kingdom of God preservation) and light that Providence by The Power of The Holy Spirit - made sure that we have the word preeminent concern;
by The Bishops in regards to the mass painful violent blood killing of helpless children by abortion; related to killing sick and elderly, also.
The worldwide multilateral agenda to do otherwise is very dangerous to psyches.
Yes, part of making the Kingdom of God more manifest with moral consciences informed holistically with all Church Teaching as paramount; caring with Godly stewardship the earth is important.
" From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John came; and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. Let anyone with ears listen!" - Matthew 11:12-15, emphasis mine.
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We know that more of individual Grace toward the Peace of Jesus Christ, not as the world gives He gives: makes healthy families. So often masked be the psychological truth of ‘denial’ - justification for objective sin often masks harmful inner conflict; lack of peace.
Even so, from a Disciple of JESUS, obedient salt and light standpoint; we know the tremendous increase in depression, substance abuse, suicides, other destructive behaviors and overflowing family courts(from every strata in education level & socioeconomic strata) - with child and family services overloaded;
come from a relativist ambiguous atmosphere which has the effect of quenching the Holy Spirit.
" Do not extinguish the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt, but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil." - 1 Thess. 5:19-22
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Peace.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
What strikes me (as you have found) is that Laudato si, a document calling a generation to urgent attention… endorsed and promoted by all the bishops conferences around the world and the subject of Sunday homilies on a regular basis… has no real interest to members on the most famous Catholic forum in the world.
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I’m not saying it’s not important, because it is, or we should have no interest in it, it’s just that it is an issue that has been around for awhile and we need to be cautious in how far to the extreme we become in the Earth movement.
Also the environment is an issue the world has been working on for years and I’m sure will continue to do so.
As I said, I believe the Pope was affirming what people are already doing, as far as environmental issues are concerned.

I haven’t heard one homily on the environment.

Homilies are to focus on the readings and Gospel of that Sunday.

In all charity, if there is some type of catastrophe coming due to environmental issues and many lives will be lost, for our souls sake, I hope we hear homilies on the importance of obedience to the Catholic Church and being in a state of grace.
 
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I read today from a priest who recently attended a workshop for rural priests of the diocese. Shared concerns were about the increase in suicides among farmers under stress of losing their farm, often to larger conglomerates.

Very nice when some aid is given by government, but this only happens after the crisis, if at all. This situation is exactly what the Pope is talking about in Laudato Si, that good policy at the outset anticipates and prevents problems. Care for our environment includes care for people and their livelihoods. The encyclical asks us to look at our neighborhood, city, state, country, and world to identify what needs to be done better, systemically, to care for our environment, and to care for all living within it.
MagdalenaRita said:
if … many lives will be lost
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Already, many lives are being lost, here in your own country and throughout the world, due to the cumulative effect of every little thing we do.
 
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