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PatienceAndHumility
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You have a fair way to go young padawan.
Has President Donald Trump done more to defeat racism and to help minorities in 47 months than Joe Biden has done in 47 years?
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glencor63
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"Proud Back and Stand By,”
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https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/...heres-how-to-deflate-extremist-fringe-groups/
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https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/...heres-how-to-deflate-extremist-fringe-groups/
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1cthlctrth
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I appreciate that you actually had the courage to be at least somewhat specific so that the claim could be addressed, opening yourself up to criticism. (That’s more than I can say for some others.)
The national leader of the fringe group, Proud Boys, is a black-Hispanic American by the name of Enrique Tarrio, and they have zero connection to white supremacy.
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Freddy
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Gee, such a liberally minded group of lads. They’re undeniably a positive force for racial equality. They’ll be allowing women to join next.glencor63:
I appreciate that you actually had the courage to be at least somewhat specific so that the claim could be addressed, opening yourself up to criticism. (That’s more than I can say for some others.)
The national leader of the fringe group, Proud Boys, is a black-Hispanic American by the name of Enrique Tarrio, and they have zero connection to white supremacy.
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HarryStotle
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I am fairly certain that the entire UK or Au governments are not involved in such decisions. I am also fairly certain that some high level civil servant with ideological sympathies probably checked the latest NYT or WaPo to justify the decision and then got approval from some other even higher bureaucrat.HarryStotle:
I’m not sure if you realise that the Australian and UK links that issued warnings about the US are both government sites. Do you think the government departments check Fox News or the Washington Post to see what the situation is in the US? Do you honestly think that both governments are being manipulated by the media?
I suppose you could ask Judge Sullivan on the Flynn case how he uses the media to plot his course of action. Appointing an amicus curiae after one, Gleeson, posts a completely partisan op ed in the Washington Post just gives away the common practice.
Wasn’t it the Australian government that gave the Clinton Foundation $100 million?
You haven’t, I suppose, looked into how various US agencies like the FBI and CIA used the articles of ideologically friendly journalists to warrant their decisions.
The press and bureaucrats tend to have common interests and so they scratch each other’s itches.
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HarryStotle
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The “liberally minded” do not have a monopoly on what is right. The liberally minded did a hatchet job on the Boy Scouts over the inclusivity nonsense. Why should the Proud Boys follow the demands of the “liberally minded” maniacs who think their ideas are infallible and demand everyone submit? The Proud Boys are right to stand up to those self-appointed tyrants of the culture.1cthlctrth:
Gee, such a liberally minded group of lads. They’re undeniably a positive force for racial equality. They’ll be allowing women to join next.glencor63:
I appreciate that you actually had the courage to be at least somewhat specific so that the claim could be addressed, opening yourself up to criticism. (That’s more than I can say for some others.)
The national leader of the fringe group, Proud Boys, is a black-Hispanic American by the name of Enrique Tarrio, and they have zero connection to white supremacy.
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Freddy
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My wife worked for the British Embassy in a country that was not always a safe place to travel. I can guarantee that decisions to warn citizens about safety in any country are taken extremely seriously. They are not issued lightly and the wording used in issuing them is considered very carefully. I have no reason to believe that the Australian system works any differently.Freddy:
I am fairly certain that the entire UK or Au governments are not involved in such decisions. I am also fairly certain that some high level civil servant with ideological sympathies probably checked the latest NYT or WaPo to justify the decision and then got approval from some other even higher bureaucrat.HarryStotle:
I’m not sure if you realise that the Australian and UK links that issued warnings about the US are both government sites. Do you think the government departments check Fox News or the Washington Post to see what the situation is in the US? Do you honestly think that both governments are being manipulated by the media?
If you really think that some civil servant in Canberra or London picks up a copy of the Post and browses CNN and Fox to make a determination about something as important as the safety of Australian citizens overseas and makes a political decision to satisfy the party in power then…I’m quite surprised.
These are most definitly not political decisions and should it be discovered that one was made on a political basis or with personal bias then heads would roll quite some distance up the food chain.
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Freddy
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For sure. An excellent example for us all to follow.Freddy:
The Proud Boys are right to stand up to those self-appointed tyrants of the culture.1cthlctrth:
Gee, such a liberally minded group of lads. They’re undeniably a positive force for racial equality. They’ll be allowing women to join next.glencor63:
I appreciate that you actually had the courage to be at least somewhat specific so that the claim could be addressed, opening yourself up to criticism. (That’s more than I can say for some others.)
The national leader of the fringe group, Proud Boys, is a black-Hispanic American by the name of Enrique Tarrio, and they have zero connection to white supremacy.
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HarryStotle
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I am certain the op ed writers at WaPo amd NYT take what they write “extremely seriously,” but that just means they take seriously their own opinions. It doesn’t necessarily mean they take the actual good of others seriously.HarryStotle:
My wife worked for the British Embassy in a country that was not always a safe place to travel. I can guarantee that decisions to warn citizens about safety in any country are taken extremely seriously. They are not issued lightly and the wording used in issuing them is considered very carefully. I have no reason to believe that the Australian system works any differently.Freddy:
I am fairly certain that the entire UK or Au governments are not involved in such decisions. I am also fairly certain that some high level civil servant with ideological sympathies probably checked the latest NYT or WaPo to justify the decision and then got approval from some other even higher bureaucrat.HarryStotle:
I’m not sure if you realise that the Australian and UK links that issued warnings about the US are both government sites. Do you think the government departments check Fox News or the Washington Post to see what the situation is in the US? Do you honestly think that both governments are being manipulated by the media?
If you really think that some civil servant in Canberra or London picks up a copy of the Post and browses CNN and Fox to make a determination about something as important as the safety of Australian citizens overseas and makes a political decision to satisfy the party in power then…I’m quite surprised.
These are most definitly not political decisions and should it be discovered that one was made on a political basis or with personal bias then heads would roll quite some distance up the food chain.
Certainly, bureaucrats take their authority on rulings and such and following department protocols “extremely seriously,” but if they have lost complete touch with “the people” their gravitas in pursuit of the bureaucracy doesn’t mean it aligns with reality.
UK bureaucrats permitted the grooming of thousands of teenage girls to go on for years with full knowledge, but didn’t act for fear of being called “racists” in the press.
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Freddy
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OK…government warnings are just the personal biases of some liberally minded left wing beaurocrat intent on sticking it to the right wing governments of friendly countries. Despite the governments of both the UK and Australia being run by right wing parties at the moment. And which uneccesary warnings presumably have then prompted US shop owners to board up their properties and some states putting the National Guard on standby.Freddy:
I am certain the op ed writers at WaPo amd NYT take what they write “extremely seriously,” but that just means they take seriously their own opinions. It doesn’t necessarily mean they take the actual good of others seriously.HarryStotle:
My wife worked for the British Embassy in a country that was not always a safe place to travel. I can guarantee that decisions to warn citizens about safety in any country are taken extremely seriously. They are not issued lightly and the wording used in issuing them is considered very carefully. I have no reason to believe that the Australian system works any differently.Freddy:
I am fairly certain that the entire UK or Au governments are not involved in such decisions. I am also fairly certain that some high level civil servant with ideological sympathies probably checked the latest NYT or WaPo to justify the decision and then got approval from some other even higher bureaucrat.HarryStotle:
I’m not sure if you realise that the Australian and UK links that issued warnings about the US are both government sites. Do you think the government departments check Fox News or the Washington Post to see what the situation is in the US? Do you honestly think that both governments are being manipulated by the media?
If you really think that some civil servant in Canberra or London picks up a copy of the Post and browses CNN and Fox to make a determination about something as important as the safety of Australian citizens overseas and makes a political decision to satisfy the party in power then…I’m quite surprised.
These are most definitly not political decisions and should it be discovered that one was made on a political basis or with personal bias then heads would roll quite some distance up the food chain.
Certainly, bureaucrats take their authority on rulings and such and following department protocols “extremely seriously,” but if they have lost complete touch with “the people” their gravitas in pursuit of the bureaucracy doesn’t mean it aligns with reality.
UK bureaucrats permitted the grooming of thousands of teenage girls to go on for years with full knowledge, but didn’t act for fear of being called “racists” in the press.
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HarryStotle
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Never claimed they were “only” that. I just needed to make the case that they are frequently that.
If it was “only” that, then they couldn’t get away with it when they determined that it needed to be done because people would catch on to their ploy and be outraged. They have to hide behind a semblance of doing the right thing, with some frequency.
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HarryStotle
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The Proud Boys have what is frequently lacking in this soft totalitarian culture of ours that goes along with the liberal progressive nonsense so as not to stand out from the crowd: courage.HarryStotle:
For sure. An excellent example for us all to follow.Freddy:
The Proud Boys are right to stand up to those self-appointed tyrants of the culture.1cthlctrth:
Gee, such a liberally minded group of lads. They’re undeniably a positive force for racial equality. They’ll be allowing women to join next.glencor63:
I appreciate that you actually had the courage to be at least somewhat specific so that the claim could be addressed, opening yourself up to criticism. (That’s more than I can say for some others.)
The national leader of the fringe group, Proud Boys, is a black-Hispanic American by the name of Enrique Tarrio, and they have zero connection to white supremacy.
That is a virtue to be emulated.
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Freddy
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I’ll bet they’re careful not to get caught. These lefties are masters of the underhanded ploy. How they managed to pursuade Republican states to put the NG on standby is an example of the lengths they will go to to make it seem like a genuine warning.Freddy:
Never claimed they were “only” that. I just needed to make the case that they are frequently that.
If it was “only” that, then they couldn’t get away with it when they determined that it needed to be done because people would catch on to their ploy and be outraged. They have to hide behind a semblance of doing the right thing, with some frequency.
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Freddy
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Heroes every one. An example to us all.
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PrayForMe
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That isn’t true. The “establishment” largely hates or, at best, tolerates Trump, depending on the political party we’re talking about. The one thing you would be correct about is Trump is surrounded by many who would be considered “establishment”.
The issue is that this is one of those extremely rare instances in which being “non-establishment” isn’t much better than being a part of the establishment.
Americans - Trump supporters in particular - dislike the establishment because they perceive them as a bunch of elitist politicians who are out of touch with the common man and only care about power and advancing their own interests (and if one is a conspiracy theorist, their gripe with the establishment goes much deeper, but I won’t get into that).
But how is Trump really any different? He may know how to appeal to “the little guy” who feels slighted by big government, but doesn’t his tax cut plan largely favor the wealthy? Isn’t it obvious he’s power hungry just like the establishment? He’s not “one of them” because he refuses to play by their rules and doesn’t respect them, but that doesn’t mean he’s drastically better.
As far as whether he’s done more on racial issues than Biden, I don’t know enough to say, so I will withhold judgment. What I will say is that Trump often doesn’t get enough credit for what he does right on racial issues, as celebrities like Ice Cube and Lil Wayne recently stated. Some of that is just the media’s progressive bias showing, but Trump also brings some of that on himself with all the stupid things he has said about Charlottesville, the Proud Boys, etc.
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jeannetherese
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If you look into what the National Guard will be doing, many states are using them for cybersecurity pruposes to help ensure a free and fair election. Others are filling in to man the polls, as volunteer poll workers are fewer due to the covid situation.
Arizona has 300 out to provide assistance to other states if called upon.
Arizona has 300 out to provide assistance to other states if called upon.
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HarryStotle
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More heroic than those who fear to stand up to the cancel culture types and progressive liberals who are certain they have the monopoly on correct thought. Even lefties like Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, and Tim Pool are feeling the effects of the “tolerant” leftist progressives who want to dictate where the culture SHOULD go, regardless of who stands in the way. The Proud Boys have some backbone, and for that they deserve credit.HarryStotle:
Heroes every one. An example to us all.
One of the sure signs of the progressive left types is their proclivity to paint with broad blurry strokes - i.e., the inability to discriminate in the good sense of the word.
What “good sense of the word” you may ask?
If you did ask, that would be a sure sign that you are on the progressive left.
That, and the inability to distinguish what is good and what is bad in the Proud Boys, especially when all that one knows about the Proud Boys is what is told in the MSM. Another sign of being on the progressive left: letting the media determine your value judgements for you along with attempting to shame those who disagree with the “received” narratives.
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Inquisitor85
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You did notice that they actually mentioned that. In fact I said;
Can’t think how you missed that I put that, I’m sure it’s not like your biased or anything.
You heard it here first folks, Joe Rogan is a leftist, apparently. And Dave Rybin isn’t a Centrist sycophant who will allow any far-right nonsense onto his show, without ever questioning what ever nonsense his guests have to spout.
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