Has the 3rd secret of Fatima happened?

[Polak]

Going by the assumption that it has been fully revealed by the Church, how much of it, if any, do you believe has been fulfilled?

So for example, do you believe the vision of the Pope being killed by bullets and arrows was referring to Pope John Paul II being shot in 1981? How about the bishops, priests, religious men and women also being killed in the same place in the private revelation? Perhaps you believe part of it has occurred and some is yet to happen? Or do you think that the killing of the clergy and religious lay people represents the general persecution of the Church?

I would be very interested to hear your theories on this, and whether they have been influenced by any members of clergy or lay people you like to read or listen to.

 

[Newhills]

I have been influenced by Fr Gruner & The Fatima Centre… I do not believe that the 3rd secret has been fully revealed.

 

[Polak]

Okay, but whether it has or hasn’t been fully revealed in your opinion, I take it you believe the part that has been revealed?

So what are your thoughts on that? Has any of that occured or are we still waiting for it?

 

[Montrose]

I have been influenced by Fr Gruner & The Fatima Centre… I do not believe that the 3rd secret has been fully revealed.

Nobody should be influenced by Father Gruner. Before he died all his priestly faculties were suspended. He was NOT in good standing with the Church.

The Vatican Congregation for the Clergy has published a reminder that Father Nicholas Gruner, the self-styled leader of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, has been suspended from priestly ministry and does not have ecclesiastical approval of his activities:

"In 1996 the renegade cleric was suspended from his priestly functions by the Bishop of Avellino, Italy-- the diocese in which he had been ordained. Although he appealed the suspension, the appeal was unsuccessful. The Congregation for the Clergy, in its September 12 message, recalls that Father Gruner’s suspension was “confirmed by a definitive sentence of the supreme tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.”

 

[thelightoftheworld]

I don’t think that it has occured yet because for instance it says that Holy Father will have to suffer much and this is in alignement with many many other prophecies from catholic mystics who put the GREAT suffering of the pope in the period of the big chastisement of God with revolutions, persecutions, a 3rd world war and the three days of darkness.
And this will be in the 21st century according to what God showed to Jeanne Le Royer.
"But what I have seen is that if the judgment arrives in the century of 1900, it would only come towards the end and that if it passes this century, that of 2000 will not pass without it arriving, as I saw it in the light of God… ”
So you and me may well be the 3rd secret of fatima unfold before our eyes !
You should maybe read the prophecies of Blessed Anna Katharina Emmerick for example and you’ll see the many similarities between her prophecies and what we know about the 3rd secret.
Also you can watch the video of the exorcist father Amorth on the 3rd secret :

God bless !

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Nobody should be influenced by Father Gruner. Before he died all his priestly faculties were suspended. He was NOT in good standing with the Church.

You can say that till the moon turns blue, but his followers likely won’t listen.

I’m perfectly happy to think that the Third Secret has been revealed and that it refers to the ongoing persecution of the Church generally and the assassination attempt on Pope JPII specifically. My influences in this regard are Pope Benedict XVI, Pope JPII, and Sister Lucia herself.

 

[Montrose]

You can say that till the moon turns blue, but his followers likely won’t listen.

I’m perfectly happy to think that the Third Secret has been revealed and that it refers to the ongoing persecution of the Church generally and the assassination attempt on Pope JPII specifically. My influences in this regard are Pope Benedict XVI, Pope JPII, and Sister Lucia herself.

I agree with you regarding the third secret including the influences you mention.

 

[GioG12]

I personally believe that the Third Secret is partly revealed. I do believe the persecution of the Church is part of the Third Secret. I do not deny that there is a persecution of Church which we are currently experiencing. So in a way, yes or at least for that part of the secret.

 

[pnewton]

I have been influenced by the Catholic Church and our recent Popes, so I most definitely believe it has happened.

 

[Vico]

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All three parts were written down which can be see here at the Vatican link:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

 

[sealabeag]

Not being flippant but the answer to this question is that some will say yes and some will say no. There’s no official answer.

 

[Montrose]

Not being flippant but the answer to this question is that some will say yes and some will say no. There’s no official answer.

The text of the third secret was OFFICIALLY released by John Paul II in 2000. How much more official do you want?

 

[commenter]

sealabeag:

Not being flippant but the answer to this question is that some will say yes and some will say no. There’s no official answer.

The text of the third secret was OFFICIALLY released by John Paul II in 2000. How much more official do you want?

I agree the third secret has been fully revealed. But the question was whether it (events prophesied) has fully happened

 

[Montrose]

I agree the third secret has been fully revealed. But the question was whether it (events prophesied) has fully happened

Again how much more official than Sister Lucia telling Pope John Paul II that the assassination attempt was the third secret?

 

[Montrose]

I don’t understand why any person would reject what Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI told us about the third secret and instead believe a renegade priest who was disobedient to Rome and was suspended with all his priestly faculties stripped.

 

[Polak]

I do believe the persecution of the Church is part of the Third Secret.

Well persecution of the Church was officially in the 2nd secret.

All three parts were written down which can be see here at the Vatican link

I know. I’m not asking what was in them or questioning if the 3rd one is complete. I am asking if people think the 3rd one has happened.

Not being flippant but the answer to this question is that some will say yes and some will say no.

Yep I suspected as much and I am interesting in seeing what people think.

Again how much more official than Sister Lucia telling Pope John Paul II that the assassination attempt was the third secret?

Could you give a link to that?

 

[TominAdelaide]

This is from Fr Apostoli’s work “Fatima For Today”. It was published in 2010 so the work refers to Pope Benedict as the current pope. Cardinal Raymond Burke wrote a forward for the book:

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Sister Lucia wrote about the Third Secret on January 3, 1944. She was ordered to do this by the Bishop of Leiria, and she received the permission of our Lady to do so. She did not write the Third Secret in one of her memoirs, as she did the first two secrets; rather she wrote it as a separate, single manuscript, which she then placed into an envelope. This sealed envelope was initially kept in the custody of Bishop da Silva of Leiria. To ensure better protection of the Third Secret, shortly before his death, the Bishop transferred the envelope to the secret archives of the Holy Office in Rome on April 4, 1957, and he informed Sister Lucia that this transfer had taken place.

The Popes and the Third Secret

Pope John XXIII

When Sister Lucia placed the manuscript containing the Third Secret into an envelope, she wrote on the outside of the envelope that it could be opened in 1960, either by the patriarch of Lisbon or the bishop of Leiria. She had asked Bishop da Silva to read the manuscript, but when he had refused to do so, she made him promise that it would “be opened and read to the world either at her death or in 1960, whichever came first”. When Archbishop Bertone, then secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, interviewed Sister Lucia in 2000, he asked whether Our Lady of Fatima had fixed the date of 1960. “It was not our Lady,” Sister Lucia replied. “I fixed the date because I had the intuition that before 1960 it would not be understood, but that only later would it be understood. Now it can be better understood. I wrote down what I saw; however, it was not for me to interpret it, but for the pope.”9

According to Vatican records, Father Pierre Paul Philippe, OP, the commissary of the Holy Office, brought the envelope containing the Third Secret of Fatima to Pope John XXIII on August 17, 1959. In his personal diary for that date, the Pope wrote that he “brought me the letter containing the third part of the secrets of Fatima. I intend to read it with my confessor.” Later, after the Pope had read the Third Secret, he wrote: “We shall wait. I shall pray. I shall let you know what I decide.”10 Pope John XXIII finally decided not to reveal the Third Secret and to return the sealed envelope to the Holy Office. Apparently, he discerned it was not the right time, and his decision to keep the Third Secret hidden from the world had a major impact on the faithful.

Because Sister Lucia had chosen the year 1960 as the time to reveal the Third Secret, a great deal of expectation, curiosity and even dread about what the message might contain heightened significantly over the years, especially as 1960 drew near. … Many people expected Pope John XXIII to open the sealed envelope at one minute after midnight on January 1, 1960, and reveal its contents.

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[TominAdelaide]

They assumed the Pope was as excited to know the message as they were. At the same time, because of the long wait and the secrecy, many people thought the message would announce a cataclysmic event, either a great sign from God or a terrible punishment of the world. Thus, there was further disappointment when the Vatican published an official press release stating that it was “most probable the ‘secret’ would remain, forever, under absolute seal”.

Pope Paul VI

On March 27, 1965, Pope Paul VI read the Third Secret with Archbishop Angelo Dell’Acqua. He decided not to publish the text and returned the envelope to the archives of the Holy Office. Like his predecessor, he apparently felt the time had not yet come for the message to be revealed.

Pope John Paul II

As we have seen, Pope John Paul II asked for the Third Secret to be brought to him while he was in the hospital recovering from gunshot wounds sustained in the attempted assassination. He recognized himself as the pope who was slain in the vision that Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta had seen. Some people have objected that Pope John Paul II could not have been the pope of the Third Secret because he did not die. Pope John Paul II knew about this objection, which is the reason he said he came to the very threshold of death and should have died, but our Lady prevented him from doing so. He used to say that our Lady did not so much prevent him from dying, as she gave him back his life. In his “Theological Commentary”, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote that the vision of the Third Secret was not like a film about an unchangeable future. These events were not carved in stone. Rather, the vision was meant to challenge us to use the forces of good to direct the future in the right way. “The vision speaks of dangers and how we might be saved from them.”11 By prayer and penance, the life of Pope John Paul II was spared.

As we have seen, Pope John Paul II had his secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, read the Third Secret at the Mass of Beatification for Francisco and Jacinta Marto at the Cova da Iria on May 13, 2000. After so much expectation and speculation, many were disappointed with the actual message, because, as Cardinal Ratzinger noted, “[no] great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled.”12 Unfortunately, many people have allowed their disappointment to stir up doubts about the truthfulness of the Vatican. They question whether the Third Secret has been “softened” or “purged” so as not to discourage the faithful. They persist in supposing that the Third Secret contains doomsday prophecies about a global nuclear war or of a great apostasy in the Church, which the Vatican is refusing to reveal.

When Cardinal Bertone met with Sister Lucia on November 11, 2001, she put to rest the rumors that the Third Secret published by the Vatican was incomplete. “ ‘Everything’—and when she said this, she paused to give the word its full weight—‘has been published; there are no more secrets’.”13

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[TominAdelaide]

Cardinal Bertone told Lucia that some media both in Italy and abroad were saying that she had warned the pope in advance of the September ii attack on the World Trade Center and that she was spreading new apocalyptic interpretations of the Fatima message. “None of it is true,” she said. “If I had had any new revelations, I wouldn’t have divulged them to anyone. I would have relayed them directly to the Holy Father.”14

According to Sister Lucia’s prioress, the visionary suffered a great deal over the constant and widespread speculation about the Third Secret before it was revealed. When she would hear of it, she would say,

If they would just devote their energy to living out the real essence of the message, which has already been revealed . . . All they care about is what hasn’t yet been said, rather than the fulfillment of Our Lady’s request for prayer and penance.15

After the Third Secret was revealed by the Vatican, and some people were questioning if the text were genuine, she said, “Well, if they know what it [the Third Secret] is, then let them tell us.”16

The suspicion that the Vatican is withholding parts of the Third Secret has laid the groundwork for a conspiracy mentality that is revealing itself in mistrust and accusation. This attitude has only made the spread of the true message of Fatima more difficult.17

Pope Benedict XVI

Joseph Ratzinger has helped interpret the Third Secret of Fatima not only in his previous role as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but even now in his current role as pope. During his apostolic journey to Fatima for the tenth anniversary of the beatification of Francisco and Jacinta, Pope Benedict XVI further interpreted the Third Secret in light of the attacks upon him and the Church caused by the discovery of sexually abusive clergy in Europe. His May 2010 visit to Fatima occurred shortly after new charges of abuse surfaced in Ireland and Germany. Some of the European cases were being blamed on the Holy Father himself. He was being accused of covering up misconduct while he was a bishop in Germany and then as the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. During an interview on the way to Fatima, the Pope linked the suffering caused by these accusations and the terrible sins committed by some priests with that seen in the vision. [Pope Benedict stated:]

I would say that, here too, beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in the first place refer to Pope John Paul II, an indication is given of realities involving the future of the Church, which are gradually taking shape and becoming evident. So it is true that, in addition to the moment indicated in the vision, there is mention of, there is seen, the need for a passion of the Church, which naturally is reflected in the person of the Pope . . . The Lord told us that the Church would constantly be suffering, in different ways, until the end of time.18 …

Penance! Penance! Penance! The word is at the very heart of the message of Our Lady of Fatima, especially of the Third Secret.

 

[Vico]

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I know. I’m not asking what was in them or questioning if the 3rd one is complete. I am asking if people think the 3rd one has happened.
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It will be compete, perhaps some day, since: “In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved …”