Has the 3rd secret of Fatima happened?

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Vico said:
It will be compete, perhaps some day, since: “In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved …”
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It is complete already and it has nothing to do with the dogma of faith.
It’s a private revelation which is not new doctrine nor does it add to existing doctrine.
 
Thanks for posting that excerpt from the book.

I think this is a very interesting way of looking at it. Pope Benedict’s words about not treating this as some doom and gloom revelation that will happen, but rather something that might happen but can be prevented, makes sense, given the free will God gives us.

Even the 2nd secret of Fatima said if people do this then a) will happen, if they don’t then b) will happen.

It’s therefore entirely possible that it was John Paul II who was the Pope killed in the revelation and that this fate was prevented with help from above, although he did suffer from it greatly later on (it caused his health to deteriorate quicker and by the 90s he was already having some very serious problems moving about).

I would be interested for @Montrose to provide a source where Sister Lucia told John Paul II the assassination attempt on him was part of that revelation. I had not heard this, and I thought she said it was up to the Pope to interpret the revelation, not her, because she was just the messenger.
 
Polak said:
I would be interested for @Montrose to provide a source where Sister Lucia told John Paul II the assassination attempt on him was part of that revelation. I had not heard this, and I thought she said it was up to the Pope to interpret the revelation, not her, because she was just the messenger.
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I had it bookmarked but cannot find it. Until I do see the link below (read page 50 which gives the question from Cardinal Bertone to Sister Lucia about the third secret and her answer).

“She said that as soon as she had learned of the assassination attempt she had connected it to the Third Secret. True, Paul VI was also targeted by a fanatic, who managed to wound him slightly. But there was no actual bullet, no literal agreement with the Third Secret.”

 
Montrose said:
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Vico:
It will be compete, perhaps some day, since: “In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved …”
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It is complete already and it has nothing to do with the dogma of faith.
It’s a private revelation which is not new doctrine nor does it add to existing doctrine.
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Yes, except since it is a private revelation, as that, it is not a completed event, since it is about something that is continuing.
 
Montrose said:
Nobody should be influenced by Father Gruner. Before he died all his priestly faculties were suspended. He was NOT in good standing with the Church.

The Vatican Congregation for the Clergy has published a reminder that Father Nicholas Gruner, the self-styled leader of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, has been suspended from priestly ministry and does not have ecclesiastical approval of his activities:

"In 1996 the renegade cleric was suspended from his priestly functions by the Bishop of Avellino, Italy-- the diocese in which he had been ordained. Although he appealed the suspension, the appeal was unsuccessful. The Congregation for the Clergy, in its September 12 message, recalls that Father Gruner’s suspension was “confirmed by a definitive sentence of the supreme tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.”
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And yet to the best of my knowledge the church has never challenged WHAT Fr Gruner has said, nor corrected his comments about Fatima… they simply put out statements saying that he was suspended… a suspension which may be outside of Canon Law.
 
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Jimmy Aiken did a podcast on Fatima if anybody is interested in listening to it.
 
As it is private revelations, and not part of the official revelation as the Bible, there is no only one interpretation, and every individual is free to see what he feels behind it.

Some are more catch by the allegory, some more literal meaning.

Myself, I am more sure. Maybe the pope being shot is part of the relevation. The others clergy members can be things. Persecution still exists in today’s world. Maybe it is more a revelation of the end of the times. Or a symbolical representation of a less evident persecution: to die of our ambitions and sucess in this world, for following Jesus. Always difficult, and mayube much more in a hostile world.
 
Montrose said:
It is complete and it was already approved by the Church.
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Yeah, it’s totally complete given that all the visionaries have died.

As for “every individual is fee to see what he feels behind it”, technically this is true, but an individual would likely be foolish or wrong if they came up with some meaning very different to what two Popes and the original seer have said.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Yeah, it’s totally complete given that all the visionaries have died.

As for “every individual is fee to see what he feels behind it”, technically this is true, but an individual would likely be foolish or wrong if they came up with some meaning very different to what two Popes and the original seer have said.
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Yes I agree with you.
 
I agree with you. We don’t have to go back and forth about the 3rd secret of Fatima. What is needed is much prayer and sacrifice… the world needs it so much.
 
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