That makes sense.
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Bolded part is very interesting.
Ah. I’d like to know more about this Medieval phenomena. Ive always felt there had been a change of attitude by Muslims to bolster seemingly legitimate claims for Islam against Jews and Christians. Any sources I can read about this? Might help me to refine my talks with a Muslim friend
There are some short chapters about this in The Bible and the Qur’an by Dominican missionary and Islamic scholar Fr. Jacques Jomier, which is itself a brief overview-- chapter 6 in particular. The 12th chapter of Fr. Jomier’s How to Understand Islam also touches on this problem. Unfortunately, neither goes into too much detail (though some medieval Muslim scholars who did not believe all Jewish & Christian scriptures have been corrupted are named, and that’s interesting). Most Christian books, it seems to me, simply start from the Muslim assertion of corruption rather than investigating its origins (e.g. Geisler & Saleeb’s Answering Islam, chapter 10).
is there a proof of this? i would love to see this.
Here’s a Sunni website that includes a hadith from Sahih Bukhari regarding Uthman’s work:
thank you sir. god bless
https://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif where is your proof !!!
Sorry Augustine3, I will reverse that, I will prove that the Quran has been fabricated…
1) During the time of Muhammed, some of the Quran had been written by his disciples when Muhammed used to recite them, they were written using early Arabic ancient script (no pointing and no vowel marks) on papyrus and leather fabric, however, some versus of Quran were not written at all but his disciples were memorizing them.
2) After Muhammed death Abu-Bakr ordered all versus of Quran to be written and assembled in one book.
That is true. This work was made by a commission that consist of clerks of revelation. Every clerk should verify a versus to take place in Qoran.
3) During Uthman time (after around 14 years of Muhammed death), Uthman burnt all versions of Quran and wrote his own version:
Qoran was reading in differents dialect and idiom of Arabic. To get unity in dialect Uthman wrote Qoran in Qureysh dialect. So there were no different Qorans.
4) During the 5th Umayyad Caliph (after around 70 years of Muhammed death), pointing and vowel marks were added to the original text:
That was a need because there were non-Arabic Muslims who do not know Arabic. But those pointings do not change Qoran.
5) Authentic hadiths show that some versus are missing:
These versus are not missing maybe changed according to time or that versus given to old prophets… here are:
7) Nowadays we have different versions of Quran:
- None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? (Baqarah-106)
- When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them know not. ( Nahl-101)
- Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book.
(Ra’d-39)- He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established, clear meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are not entirely clear. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not clear, seeking discord, and searching for hidden meanings in it, but no one knows its interpretation except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. (Al-i İmran-7)
There is unique Qoran that was written and memorized by thousands and now by millions.
Sorry Augustine3, I will reverse that, I will prove that the Quran has been fabricated
1) During the time of Muhammed, some of the Quran had been written by his disciples when Muhammed used to recite them, they were written using early Arabic ancient script (no pointing and no vowel marks) on papyrus and leather fabric, however, some versus of Quran were not written at all but his disciples were memorizing them.
That is true that Sahabe(Companion, disciples of Prophet) memorize versus. Also millions of Muslim always memorize entire of Qoran. But that is wrong that some versus were only memorized because there were clerks who write versus. So all versus were written by clerks of revelation.
Qoran was written in ancient Arabic script, that is true. But by time only form of script changed not writting.
Arabians read their Arabic writtings/passages without poiting and vowel marks. This is for who do not know Arabic to avoid reading false. Because by time more nations and non-Arabs accept İslam.
Sam_777;10656300:
, I will reverse that, I will prove that the Quran has been fabricated
1) During the time of Muhammed, some of the Quran had been written by his disciples when Muhammed used to recite them, they were written using early Arabic ancient script (no pointing and no vowel marks) on papyrus and leather fabric, however, some versus of Quran were not written at all but his disciples were memorizing them.
That is true that Sahabe(Companion, disciples of Prophet) memorize versus( 3000 peoples). Also millions of Muslim always memorize entire of Qoran. But that is wrong that some versus were only memorized because there were clerks( they were 42 clerk) who write versus. So all versus were written by clerks of revelation.
Qoran was written in ancient Arabic script, that is true. But by time only form of script changed not writting.
Arabians read their Arabic writtings/passages without poiting and vowel marks. This is for who do not know Arabic to avoid reading false. Because by time more nations and non-Arabs accept İslam.
The less Muslims try to understand the Bible but realize that it isn’t The Book that is most important but the Word of God The Person of Jesus Christ the Word made Flesh the less the frustration. Islam would have NEVER heard of Jesus if not of Christians.
