Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

[Xantippe]

No. The woman is subject to far more temptation, and is far less capable of resisting it.

So, wild bachelor parties and strip clubs aren’t a thing?

Any man dumb enough to allow it deserves whatever he gets.

…a wife with a good job.

Any man dumb enough to do so deserves whatever he gets.

My husband not infrequently has large work dinners where there might be multiple women present. I’m not imploding from jealousy. I would mind dinners with one female colleague, though. He often lunches with individual female colleagues. Again, I’m not dying of jealousy. If I were the jealous type, I’d be dead already, because my husband is a professor and the average female student here is really good looking. But, as I’ve mentioned before, my husband has demonstrated good morals and self-control throughout our relationship.

Any man dumb enough to allow it deserves whatever he gets.

A comfortable income?

It would suck, but sometimes life sucks.

But your wife would be home alone…

 

[Xantippe]

Tl;dr: no you don’t see any.

Well I do. And I’ll act and believe accordingly.

No, I see a lot of gender differences, but averages aren’t very informative about individuals, and culture, class, education and upbringing make a big difference.

I don’t see the point of mutilating people’s natural personalities in the name of “gender roles,” as if what God wanted was for each of us to be exactly the same, when every single individual in the Bible is different. Presumably, he had something in mind when he made us as we are.

 

[ChunkMonk]

So, wild bachelor parties and strip clubs aren’t a thing?

Funny you mention bachelor parties. It’s pretty much common knowledge that bachelorette parties are way more debaucherous than bachelor parties. I’ve heard bartenders and party bus guys talk about it. They pretty much universally say the bride-to-be goes home drunk with a guy ~70% of the time.

…a wife with a good job.

Lol

My husband not infrequently has large work dinners where there might be multiple women present.

I hope he never gets on the wrong side of a #metoo smear campaign. Though it would be funny to see your face if it happens.

A comfortable income?

Lol

But your wife would be home alone…

Yeah, and like I said. Life sucks.

 

[ChunkMonk]

Which if we strip away all the extra words effectively means, no you don’t.

Well I do. And I’ll act and believe accordingly.

 

[Xantippe]

They pretty much universally say the bride-to-be goes home drunk with a guy ~70% of the time.

That’s an extremely dubious stat.

I hope he never gets on the wrong side of a #metoo smear campaign. Though it would be funny to see your face if it happens.

That would be very unlikely, as he has a strong sense of personal space.

There have been a number of stars in his profession who got in trouble for harassment–but they were notorious creeps.

Which if we strip away all the extra words effectively means, no you don’t.

Well I do. And I’ll act and believe accordingly.

You’ll do what?

 

[ChunkMonk]

That’s an extremely dubious stat.

It makes sense to me based on personal observation. Anyway, the point stands. Only in the modern world have men considered it prudent to pretend women are not subject to far greater sexual temptation and far less capable of rejecting it.

That would be very unlikely, as he has a strong sense of personal space.

Good for him. Unfortunately, facts don’t really matter much to feminists.

You’ll do what?

Act and believe accordingly.

 

[PetraG]

No. The woman is subject to far more temptation, and is far less capable of resisting it. Only the idiocy of the modern world has tried to teach the reverse.

This is not what the emergency department personnel I know would say. These are the kinds of things that they say pre-sage a serious injury leading to a visit to the emergency department:

1. Be male
2. Be with your friends
3. Imbibe in liquor
4. Say things like “this would be cool” or “hold my beer” or “trust me, this will be great”
5. Ask someone to use their phone to record your attempt at performing your great idea.

I didn’t make this up. I really saw this at an emergency medicine conference.

(The thing I left off the list was that the odds go up yet again if the great idea involve machinery, explosives or hunting weapons instead of feats that require starting on a roof.)

Any man dumb enough to allow it deserves whatever he gets.

If you’re saying that business trips and social events posing as business events presage are near occasaions of sin regardless of who is going or who thinks it is a good idea, you would be right.

Business trips and work that goes through the dinner hour is unfortunately a fact of life in many professions. Even people in the health care system who only work at hospitals or clinics have to find places to keep up their continuing medical education hours. The opportunities that allow people to stack up a lot of hours in a short period of time tend to be trips to a central location, sometimes for consecutive days.

 

[ChunkMonk]

This is not what the emergency department personnel I know would say.

I’m talking about sexual temptation.

 

[PetraG]

I’m talking about sexual temptation.

Most johns are male, so I think your premise again fails to meet the evidence.
Where a woman not willing to risk freely can’t be found, men will go looking for a woman who is willing to be paid to fall from grace. How is it, then, that you claim that women are far less capable of resisting temptation?

 

[ChunkMonk]

Yeah and most prostitutes are female. I fail to see the connection you’re trying to make here.

Here’s my proof. Go read rhe Aziz Ansari story and imagine it being told from the perspective of a male. Like switch the genders in thr story. Then you’ll see two things.

1. it would be absurd
2. women are far less capable of resisting certain types of sexual and social pressure.

 

[Werbenjagermanjensen]

One of my male colleagues was drugged and robbed by some new “friends” in Moscow back in the 90s. I believe he was drinking 7-UP or something similarly harmless–he wasn’t doing anything obviously risky.

I worked on drilling rigs in West Africa and CIS countries when I graduated college and I saw and heard about quite a few incidents. The incidents always involved drugs, alcohol, or prostitutes. It kind of put my mind at ease and allowed me to move about freely as long as I avoided the big three risk factors. But yea, I’m sure there are the statistical outliers. Like the guy who eats healthy and exercises and still has a heart attack in his 30s. Still, I think that avoiding drugs and alcohol would be the number one thing that can be done to avoid becoming a victim or a perpetrator of a rape or sexual assault.

 

[Xantippe]

Here’s my proof. Go read rhe Aziz Ansari story and imagine it being told from the perspective of a male.

I think the age difference is very important. Aziz Ansari is mid-30s and “Grace” is early 20s. He had the better part of a generation of dating experience more than her.

Most johns are male, so I think your premise again fails to meet the evidence.
Where a woman not willing to risk freely can’t be found, men will go looking for a woman who is willing to be paid to fall from grace. How is it, then, that you claim that women are far less capable of resisting temptation?

Yeah and most prostitutes are female.

Prostitutes aren’t succumbing to sexual temptation.

 

[ChunkMonk]

I think the age difference is very important. Aziz Ansari is mid-30s and “Grace” is early 20s. He had the better part of a generation of dating experience more than her.

It doesn’t matter. Switch everything around so it’s a man telling that story and it instantly becomes ludicrous that it would ever be taken seriously. But that story was taken seriously by everyone. Some saw it as a serious threat, others as a serious problem for Aziz. No one questioned how absurd it was because it was a woman. It had nothing to do with age. I doubt you’ll ever admit it, even to yourself, but deep down, you know it is true.

 

[Xantippe]

People who are older are often more socially savvy, more street smart, more sure of themselves and better at speaking up.

I give them both demerits for not realizing that each wanted something different–but I give him the most demerits, because he’s a 35-year-old man and ought to know better.

There really is a difference between 35 and 22/23 (she was 22 at the time). 13 years ought to mean something in terms of life experience and maturity.

But that story was taken seriously by everyone. Some saw it as a serious threat, others as a serious problem for Aziz. No one questioned how absurd it was because it was a woman.

Not really.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-17/listen-to-the-bad-feminists

 

[Xantippe]

Related: A 30-something celebrity dating a millennial needs to be aware that you don’t have any privacy when dealing with a millennial. Anything you say or do may wind up on the internet.

Such are the hazards of being a mid-30-something celebrity chasing young women.

 

[Lea101]

Yeah and most prostitutes are female

Because…there’s a high demand…because…a lot of guys want sex to the point where they would pay for it…

 

[Lea101]

Some saw it as a serious threat, others as a serious problem for Aziz. No one questioned how absurd it was because it was a woman.

Literally a lot of liberals sided with Aziz…

 

[ChunkMonk]

Not really.

That’s an article in a mass media news conglomerate. One of dozens, if not hundreds. That means it is being taken seriously. It’s absurd to even think of it existing if it was a man and a 35 year old woman. It would never have been written, and even if it was, it would never have been picked up.

Literally a lot of liberals sided with Aziz…

That they saw it as something that needed to be addressed at all instead of laughing at the absurdity proves the point.

 

[Lea101]

That they saw it as something that needed to be addressed at all instead of laughing at the absurdity proves the point

They sided with him and the woman who accused him was literally accused of ruining the campaign…

It is something to be addressed, not laughed over. People need to know where the line is at…

 

[ChunkMonk]

It is something to be addressed, not laughed over. People need to know where the line is at…

Oh of course. When it is a woman in question, it is something very serious. But if a man writes that article, no one would even give it the time of day.

The line changes depending on if it is a man or a woman who is being pressured.