"Have a Nice Day" instead of "And also with you"?

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I actually do bow to people, and sometimes I’ll nod my head. I was a fan of Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood when I was little and I read that he had a great respect and appreciation for bowing, because he felt as if one spirit was honoring the other. I also am a very big Star Trek fan, so I’ll do the Vulcan Salute to people. Live long and prosper is not a bad message to convey to people. Better than some hand signals I’ve seen… :rolleyes: 😃

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Personally, I don’t like the phrase, “Peace be with you” when used at this point in the mass. People nowadays don’t speak like that, at least in the good old USA. I simply say “Peace”.
Lots of good and worthwhile things are unfashionable, sadly.

Using a properly grammatically constructed phrase that COULDN’T have been said by some drugged-out hippie in any decade since the '60s would seem to be one of them.

‘Peace’ indeed - you gonna flash me the hippie peace sign instead of shaking my hand while you’re at it, man? 🤷
 
‘Peace’ indeed - you gonna flash me the hippie peace sign instead of shaking my hand while you’re at it, man? 🤷
That “Hippy Peace Sign” actually derives from WW II or earlier, V for Victory… and Victory brought peace. It’s origins as a sign of victory seem to be Agincourt… since the French declared a punishment of removal of the index and middle fingers of captured bowmen…

It’s actually not indicative of the right kind of peace, since it’s the peace of martial victory, not the peace of Christ.
 
That “Hippy Peace Sign” actually derives from WW II or earlier, V for Victory… and Victory brought peace. It’s origins as a sign of victory seem to be Agincourt… since the French declared a punishment of removal of the index and middle fingers of captured bowmen…

It’s actually not indicative of the right kind of peace, since it’s the peace of martial victory, not the peace of Christ.
My understanding is that Agincourt was actually the beginning of the OTHER v-sign, the rude disrespectful two-fingers-up.

Similar explanation though - the French had threatened to cut off the fingers of the English bowmen when they defeated them. The English in turn rudely taunted the French after beating them, by reminding them of their ineffective threats and their unscathed fingers.
 
The specified phrase is “The peace of Christ be with you,” or else something that means the same thing as that (not “Have a nice day”) and the response is “And also with you,” or something that means the same thing as that.

So, it would be fine to say, “Peace of Christ with you,” - “And with you!” - or “Christ’s Peace be upon you,” - “And you, too.” - but “Have a nice day” doesn’t really fit with the intent.
Thanks for good info. I attended NO/OF for years, & I didn’t know that. Now, maybe that’s just my fault because I’m not the brightest bulb. But, I strongly suspect I’m not the only earnest, engaged, attentive parishioner without a clue.

The huge questions to me are:
  1. Who does know we’re supposed to say that?
  2. Who knows why we’re supposed to say that? That is, who has at least some understanding of what’s actually going on liturgically?
  3. Then, after we’ve counted noses, Why these numbers?
Honestly, I think this little point, the sign of peace during Mass, demonstrates an irony or paradox of stupefying proportions:

On the one hand, the NO/OF Mass was simplified & vernacular was permitted in large part to ensure that the faithful could understand clearly what’s going on. But it really seems like relatively few people do understand much of anything.

On the other hand, in TLM/EF the fundamentals, the essentials of what’s happening (including symbolic kiss of Peace of Christ proceeding from celebrant’s kiss of altar after Agnus Dei) are pretty obvious.

Look, lo these 40 years later, if we can’t have some accountability, I wish we could at least have some hard, cold facts, black & white numbers.

For example, on questions like this regarding what’s going on in the liturgy I would love to commission a poll of practicing Catholics after Mass:

Why do we have the sign of peace? Describe in you own words what’s going on liturgically. What words would be appropriate for you to say at that time?

Wouldn’t it be great to see some hard numbers? Then either reformers could rub noses of complainers in statistics that indicate the changes worked as expected; or we the disillusioned could say, what are we gonna do about a reform that seems to have failed on its own terms?

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and not everyone in church yesterday was Catholic and may have been thrown for a loop by the whole thing anyhow
 
So I’m not doubting their kindess - but I have to say it sort of threw me when I didn’t get the “and also with you.” I think the mass has a certain rhythm to it and when it changes, I’m sort of thrown off track, albeit briefly.
I’ve never heard “and also with you” as a response at the sign of peace. We all either say either ‘Peace be with you’ or ‘The peace of Christ’, no response expected or given.

As far as I’m aware, the Sacramentary/Roman Missal doesn’t give a phrase to use at this point, it allows local tradition to dictate, even dictate whether or not we extend this sign to each other. I’ve been in parishes where it’s not exchanged.
 
Lots of good and worthwhile things are unfashionable, sadly.

Using a properly grammatically constructed phrase that COULDN’T have been said by some drugged-out hippie in any decade since the '60s would seem to be one of them.

‘Peace’ indeed - you gonna flash me the hippie peace sign instead of shaking my hand while you’re at it, man? 🤷
Sometimes when I’m in choir and cannot reach someone in the first row (they’ve wisely placed me in the back, farthest away from the mics), yes, we do exchange a sign of peace like that.

But, we aren’t limited liturgically to which sign of peace that we share, are we?
 
If I were distraught while at Mass – from the recent death of a loved one, for example – I think I would much rather hear “the peace of Christ be with you” than “have a nice day”.
 
My gosh - yet another reason to do away with this disruptive practice altogether. SOOOO glad we don’t do this at our parish.

~Liza
 
When I was an organist, I could end the Sign of Peace by starting the Agnus Dei, so at the pastor’s request, I gave them all ten seconds.
This is actually an abuse of the liturgy. The GIRM specifies that the Agnus Dei commences at the start of the Fraction. Thus, the moment the musicians hear the telltale “snap” of the large consecrated host being fractioned or see the consecrated hosts being moved from one ciboria to another, they should begin leading the Agnus Dei. Not ten seconds, not twenty seconds, but at the Fraction.

If the pastor doesn’t want the Sign of Peace to go on long or become a social period, he best hustle to the Tabernacle and commence the Fraction ASAP.
 
Think it’s ok for someone to get up from his pew and walk to the complete opposite side of the church and make the peace sign with his fingers and say peace out bro?
 
Thanks for good info. I attended NO/OF for years, & I didn’t know that. Now, maybe that’s just my fault because I’m not the brightest bulb. But, I strongly suspect I’m not the only earnest, engaged, attentive parishioner without a clue.

The huge questions to me are:
  1. Who does know we’re supposed to say that?
  2. Who knows why we’re supposed to say that? That is, who has at least some understanding of what’s actually going on liturgically?
  3. Then, after we’ve counted noses, Why these numbers?
My theory is that those who know we’re supposed to say that (and why) are people who have taken RCIA or a reasonably good Bible study class in the parish after reaching adulthood.

Although we teach the Mass to kids in Grade 2, Grade 5, and Grade 8, there’s so much to cover that a lot of it just goes right over their heads. It’s only when we review the information again as adults that things really start to stick. The reason for that is that, adults are able to put information into context (children are barraged with facts at school, but have very little practical experience, and thus, no context to put the information into, which makes things harder to remember in the long term).

But before we attack the religious education system and call it a failure, think about your other subjects. I’m betting the only information you remember from any of your other subjects is information that you reviewed later as an adult, and information that you have used in daily life, in your work, recreation, and at home.
Honestly, I think this little point, the sign of peace during Mass, demonstrates an irony or paradox of stupefying proportions:
On the one hand, the NO/OF Mass was simplified & vernacular was permitted in large part to ensure that the faithful could understand clearly what’s going on. But it really seems like relatively few people do understand much of anything.
On the other hand, in TLM/EF the fundamentals, the essentials of what’s happening (including symbolic kiss of Peace of Christ proceeding from celebrant’s kiss of altar after Agnus Dei) are pretty obvious.
Look, lo these 40 years later, if we can’t have some accountability, I wish we could at least have some hard, cold facts, black & white numbers.
For example, on questions like this regarding what’s going on in the liturgy I would love to commission a poll of practicing Catholics after Mass:
Why do we have the sign of peace? Describe in you own words what’s going on liturgically. What words would be appropriate for you to say at that time?
Wouldn’t it be great to see some hard numbers? Then either reformers could rub noses of complainers in statistics that indicate the changes worked as expected; or we the disillusioned could say, what are we gonna do about a reform that seems to have failed on its own terms?
Well, again, human beings only remember things that interest them as adults. Ironically, making things harder makes them more interesting, which is why those who attend Mass in Latin have a better grasp of what they are doing - they take an interest in it and study it, because otherwise, they feel “lost” at Mass. With the easier Mass in the vernacular, it’s possible to participate without feeling “lost” while at the same time not knowing exactly what’s going on at every moment.

But there’s actually no way to impose that information into people’s minds. They have to take an interest, and study it for themselves, or else be in an adult-education course where the information comes up, and they learn it in a setting where they can contextualize the information and give it personal meaning.

The St. Joseph Missals are available for sale right now; they also contain all of this information, so an interested person could just pay the $4.00 and read up on it, too - but again, this presupposes an interest in the subject. 🙂
 
Think it’s ok for someone to get up from his pew and walk to the complete opposite side of the church and make the peace sign with his fingers and say peace out bro?
It’s definitely closer to the actual intent than “Have a nice day.” But I wouldn’t recommend it. 😉
 
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