Have you ever contacted the bishop over liturgical abuse?

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GwenL said:
It’s up to the priest to “organize a few Latin Masses,” not the laity. And he has. We have a TLM every first Friday and the OF in Latin every Saturday morning. It’s our job to support and help him, which many of us do.

I find the idea of “sorting them out” fairly objectionable. Forcing people to choose another parish (or even another Mass) because we switch wholesale to Latin is not the way to develop respect and love for Mass in Latin. Gently leading people and teaching them is the way to go. Some will stubbornly never learn. But I’ve seen many others start to develop curiosity, especially at our Saturday morning OF Mass in Latin. I’m the sacristan, and get many questions about the Latin. Today I’ll be handing out a “basic Latin pronunciation guide” to the congregation. We already pass out an “Ordo Missae” booklet with side-by-side English and Latin.

Remember, the idea is to lead them to the Lord. He will do all the sorting.
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Many parishes do not have a priest capable of celebrating the mass properly in the extraordinary form. They also may be reluctant to ask a priest outside of their parish.

There is nothing wrong with arranging a mass, with the priests permission of course.
I arrange masses all the time! Mostly the ordinary form yet I have arranged the extraordinary form.Usually ad orientum, unless the priest is disabled or prefers the populous.
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Yesterday I arranged a mass ,weeks from now, with a priest capable of either form.
If he wants to do the extraordinary form it is a challenge for me. Rusty on the extraordinary yet still capable.
Merry Christmas
 
I sent a letter to our previous bishop when our priest at the time promoted non-Catholics receiving Communion & people taking the Eucharist back to the pew to share with non-Catholic spouses. And yes, I did talk with the priest & got nowhere. Wrote to the bishop & got no reply.

In all fairness, the letter was sent just a few days before the pedophile priest scandal hit our diocese so I think the bishop or whoever first read the letter didn’t think it was as important. 😦

I recently sent a letter in support of a priest to our present bishop. He did reply & I hope my letter helps the situation. This particular priest is a very holy man.

eta - our assistant priest is a Godsend to our community. He is even going to say a Latin mass at a friend’s house. I don’t know why it won’t be at the church, but I think our friends’ living room will be packed. 👍
 
Wow to that previous priest. Was he accused of child abuse, or another priest? If it wasn’t him, then find out where he is and make sure that the bishop there knows about it. That absolutely cannot be allowed to continue.
 
TrueLight said:
The “laity” can be quite instrumental in organizing Latin masses. Often it is the laity who requests a mass and once the priest agrees is often the one (1-2 people) in charge of getting the servers, arranging for the choir members, arranging for priests to come if necessary, setting up the altar linen, etc, etc.

Priests are often quite busy with other responsibilities and you can bet if there is a group of people who are really keen on having a Latin mass, they will be expected to make it happen.
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Never did I say or imply otherwise. However, it still falls to the priest to make the decision to have a TLM or an OF Mass in Latin. We can tell him and show him how much we’ll support the effort (by organizing, buying stuff, getting servers trained, publicizing, etc). But it remains the priest’s decision. He must agree before anything else happens. This is why I say that what we do, we do to support and help him.
 
thomas_jd said:
Many parishes do not have a priest capable of celebrating the mass properly in the extraordinary form. They also may be reluctant to ask a priest outside of their parish.

There is nothing wrong with arranging a mass, with the priests permission of course.
I arrange masses all the time! Mostly the ordinary form yet I have arranged the extraordinary form.Usually ad orientum, unless the priest is disabled or prefers the populous.
.
Yesterday I arranged a mass ,weeks from now, with a priest capable of either form.
If he wants to do the extraordinary form it is a challenge for me. Rusty on the extraordinary yet still capable.
Merry Christmas
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Never did I say or imply otherwise.

I balked at the suggestion that lay people “organize a few Latin Masses.” Sorry but we just don’t do that. When the priest decides to celebrate Latin Masses (possibly after we’ve shown him how we’re going to help him make it happen), then we support and help him. We are simply not the decision-makers here.

I’m a sacristan and I arrange Masses all the time as well. Those are done at the priest’s directions and within his guidelines. Always.
 
GwenL said:
It’s up to the priest to “organize a few Latin Masses,” not the laity. And he has. We have a TLM every first Friday and the OF in Latin every Saturday morning. It’s our job to support and help him, which many of us do.

I find the idea of “sorting them out” fairly objectionable. Forcing people to choose another parish (or even another Mass) because we switch wholesale to Latin is not the way to develop respect and love for Mass in Latin. Gently leading people and teaching them is the way to go. Some will stubbornly never learn. But I’ve seen many others start to develop curiosity, especially at our Saturday morning OF Mass in Latin. I’m the sacristan, and get many questions about the Latin. Today I’ll be handing out a “basic Latin pronunciation guide” to the congregation. We already pass out an “Ordo Missae” booklet with side-by-side English and Latin.

Remember, the idea is to lead them to the Lord. He will do all the sorting.
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Well, it was supposed to be a bit of a joke. You said that various parishioners sent abusive letters to the rector because he re-introduced Latin, incense and sacred music. I took the presumption that you were referring to the OF because the EF has set guidelines for music use. Therefore I said as a joke that you should try and organize some EF Masses to be said at your parish, to pretty much crush any resistance.

I didn’t mean to be offensive…
 
MartyrForJesus said:
Well, it was supposed to be a bit of a joke. You said that various parishioners sent abusive letters to the rector because he re-introduced Latin, incense and sacred music. I took the presumption that you were referring to the OF because the EF has set guidelines for music use. Therefore I said as a joke that you should try and organize some EF Masses to be said at your parish, to pretty much crush any resistance.

I didn’t mean to be offensive…
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No problem. Tone and sarcasm are very hard to detect on the internet. Especially when no smileys are attached.
 
GwenL said:
Never did I say or imply otherwise.

I balked at the suggestion that lay people “organize a few Latin Masses.” Sorry but we just don’t do that. When the priest decides to celebrate Latin Masses (possibly after we’ve shown him how we’re going to help him make it happen), then we support and help him. We are simply not the decision-makers here.

I’m a sacristan and I arrange Masses all the time as well. Those are done at the priest’s directions and within his guidelines. Always.
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You are combining the role of secretary and sacristan. Both different functions.

I organize various masses outside of the parish schedule. If we want
a Extraordinary mass ,a Holy Hour, Benediction, or varied devout services we arrange this.I am not limited by any particular parish but have hundreds of churches to choose from.
Pastors are usually happy to comply with these requests. They publish the events in their bulletins.
 
I would contact the Bishop for something major. We have a TON of minor abuses and the Bishop has a rather laid back way of addressing them which is his right. He is the Bishop. Hopefully that if I ever have to contact him it is over something that he will help with and not just an “abuse” that is just an annoyance with me.
 
Catholicpotato said:
I would contact the Bishop for something major. We have a TON of minor abuses and the Bishop has a rather laid back way of addressing them which is his right. He is the Bishop. Hopefully that if I ever have to contact him it is over something that he will help with and not just an “abuse” that is just an annoyance with me.
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Actually, it’s the bishop’s duty to correct abuses. I don’t know where you’re getting this “it’s his right” stuff from…
 
I’ve wanted to about one parish near me that is absolutely soaked in new-agey fluff. The priest doesn’t begin the Mass with the sign of the cross, doesn’t follow the order of the mass, doesn’t even use the right words during communion. It’s really really bad.
But I would feel like a jerk doing so…plus, I’m only a catechumen.😊
 
theidler said:
I’ve wanted to about one parish near me that is absolutely soaked in new-agey fluff. The priest doesn’t begin the Mass with the sign of the cross, doesn’t follow the order of the mass, doesn’t even use the right words during communion. It’s really really bad.
But I would feel like a jerk doing so…plus, I’m only a catechumen.😊
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You shouldn’t feel like a jerk letting the bishop know. You’re not the one being disobedient. I would highly suggest letting the bishop know.
 
theidler said:
I’ve wanted to about one parish near me that is absolutely soaked in new-agey fluff. The priest doesn’t begin the Mass with the sign of the cross, doesn’t follow the order of the mass, doesn’t even use the right words during communion. It’s really really bad.
But I would feel like a jerk doing so…plus, I’m only a catechumen.😊
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The wrong words as in the Words of Consecration or other parts? Because if it is the former, then that priest is celebrating invalid Masses.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
The wrong words as in the Words of Consecration or other parts? Because if it is the former, then that priest is celebrating invalid Masses.
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Instead of Behold the Lamb of God… he says “Bread broken so that we might be one…etc.”
Its very strange. Sometimes he does little intermissions where he has the parish kids come up and light candles or show everyone crafts they did. Sometimes he does that at the beginning of the Mass too instead of the sign of the cross…
 
theidler said:
Instead of Behold the Lamb of God… he says “Bread broken so that we might be one…etc.”
Its very strange. Sometimes he does little intermissions where he has the parish kids come up and light candles or show everyone crafts they did. Sometimes he does that at the beginning of the Mass too instead of the sign of the cross…
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Sick. Just sick.
 
theidler said:
Instead of Behold the Lamb of God… he says “Bread broken so that we might be one…etc.”
Its very strange. Sometimes he does little intermissions where he has the parish kids come up and light candles or show everyone crafts they did. Sometimes he does that at the beginning of the Mass too instead of the sign of the cross…
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Yeah, it is strange. I hate that kind of stuff that is superficially pleasing but is actually totally empty in meaning. I really don’t understand the focus on community during Masses. We’re remembering Jesus’ sacrifice; we are not celebrating each other. Oh well. Report this kind of stuff to the bishop, because it is definitely illicit, though probably not invalid. The GIRM is there to be followed, not to pick and choose what we like.
 
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