Have you ever gotten so upset at a real or perceived liturgical abuse that you got up and left in the middle of Mass?

[peregrinus_WA]

Was it the Missa Emmanuel? While I find that setting intolerable for my ears, I wouldn’t say it’s something to leave Mass for. I’ve never left a Mass, and I wouldn’t leave if the music was horrendous: I would probably not sing it, and I would pray for the parish and the people and myself instead.

You are correct and this was not the first time this so-called “Music Minister” pulled a stunt like this.

 

[VietCatholic83]

at my old parish the pastor invited a group of native american people in indigenous garb to come up to the ambo and bless the congregation with an eagle feather. while I hold the highest esteem for native peoples, this seemed a little sketch in the context of the mass. I think some people were pretty upset by it.

 

[Sarabande]

Once. I had just moved home to my parents after living in another part of the country for a year. I met up with my husband (then boyfriend) to mass at my childhood parish. They had a rock group with really loud speakers. It was so loud - like a rock concert and the “singers” were just screaming into the microphones. It was making me physically sick. The entire atmosphere was one of the most irreverent masses I’ve ever attended. I looked at him, he looked at me and we both got up and left. We drove to his parish nearby for a mass that started a half hour later than that one.

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

at my old parish the pastor invited a group of native american people in indigenous garb to come up to the ambo and bless the congregation with an eagle feather. while I hold the highest esteem for native peoples, this seemed a little sketch in the context of the mass. I think some people were pretty upset by it.

I once attended a Mass with a so-called Native American ceremony involving burning sage being fanned in different directions. What was funny was that in the back of the building, there were some Indians (that’s what they call themselves here) who were saying to each other, “we don’t do this at our Mass!”

 

[Spiller]

Only when I attended the (Catholic)2008 Los Angeles Religious Congress.
Ist one began with the priest sitting down and a dancer danced all around him and the altar.
2nd one began with dancers prancing up the aisles.
3rd one (celebrated by the Bishop and con-celebrated with multiple priests) had dancing, and carrying of huge bowls of burning incense-dancing all around the altar-then a woman recited part of the Gospel and that was it for me trying to find a valid Mass at that Congress.

Except for the stunning overuse of EMsHC, some of the most abuse-free Masses and some of the finest homilies I have ever attended or heard have been at the cathedral in Los Angeles.

 

[Guitar]

You are correct and this was not the first time this so-called “Music Minister” pulled a stunt like this.

Question from curiousity: why is this abuse and a stunt?

(I do not like the setting either and have declined to use it.)

 

[LilyM]

Only when I attended the (Catholic)2008 Los Angeles Religious Congress.
Ist one began with the priest sitting down and a dancer danced all around him and the altar.
2nd one began with dancers prancing up the aisles.
3rd one (celebrated by the Bishop and con-celebrated with multiple priests) had dancing, and carrying of huge bowls of burning incense-dancing all around the altar-then a woman recited part of the Gospel and that was it for me trying to find a valid Mass at that Congress.

As horrendous and contrary to the spirit of the Mass as liturgical dancers carrying bowls of incense may be, they do not in fact render the Mass invalid. Possibly they do not even render it illicit.

 

[japhy]

Except for the stunning overuse of EMsHC, some of the most abuse-free Masses and some of the finest homilies I have ever attended or heard have been at the cathedral in Los Angeles.

Were these Masses free of the pouring of the Precious Blood from glass decanters into (glass) chalices?

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

You are correct and this was not the first time this so-called “Music Minister” pulled a stunt like this.

I’m a bit confused.

Documents have been quoted AD NAUSEUM around here saying that music that is most like gregorian chant is most appropriate for the liturgy. Missa Emmanuel is based upon chant.

Also, there is nothing wrong with the title “Music Minister”. The documents of Vatican II spoke of the various ministries of the faithful. One who performs music at the service of the liturgy could well be considered to be a “minister” of music.

 

[THurifer2]

It wasn’t the middle of a Mass but it was after communion.

On a visit to my DW hometown parish three H.S. aged girls did a “liturgical dance” that was nothing more than a performance. A blatant performance…complete with standing ovation and all.

I walked out and went to Mass at a contry church in a nearby town.

I told my wife I would NEVER set foot in that church again.

 

[Spiller]

Were these Masses free of the pouring of the Precious Blood from glass decanters into (glass) chalices?

They were. Although they were weekday Masses.

The chalices themselves were amazing. Large, HEAVY and rather ornate/traditional too. I am guessing they were stainless steel with gold-plated interiors. They felt like the sort of vessel that would last 500+ years.

Msgr. Kevin Kostelnik and Fr. Francis Mendoza are remarkably fine homilists to boot.

 

[ethelzguy]

I’m a bit confused.

Documents have been quoted AD NAUSEUM around here saying that music that is most like gregorian chant is most appropriate for the liturgy. Missa Emmanuel is based upon chant.

Also, there is nothing wrong with the title “Music Minister”. The documents of Vatican II spoke of the various ministries of the faithful. One who performs music at the service of the liturgy could well be considered to be a “minister” of music.

Not to get too far off-topic, but because something is considered “most appropriate”, does that make anything else “inappropriate”, or just not “most appropriate”?

 

[Jean_Anthony]

The thread is closed. Please take any side discussions to new or existing threads. Thank you all.