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MindOverMatter2
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How do you know that the taste of cheese corresponds to the objective nature of physical cheese. And if it does not correspond, would that not suggest that the taste of cheese is not physical?
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GEddie
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Taste is physical. As is sight, as is smell, etc. Each human sense involves a measurable change in the physical human body and mind.
It is the impression made upon the mind that might not wholly be physical.
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Barbkw
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This concerns you, why?
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tonyrey
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Precisely! The interpretation of what we perceive varies considerably from one individual to another. To “De gustibus non disputandum” we could add “De tactibus non disputandum”,
“De vidibus non disputandum”- and the other senses which require a better knowledge of Latin than I have. Perhaps “audibus” and “olfactibus”? Although “olfactibus” may mean
“to those making a smell”!
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tonyrey
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GEddie
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Indeed. For those of us who are not priests and do not live in Latin America
we ought to keep to plain English.The fact is, we have no way of knowing whether what one tongue (or nose, or skin, etc) conveys to it’s mind is really the same as that of another. All we know is what the minds converse to each other.
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triumphguy
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Is this the beginning of a philosophical discussion?
Anyway - most North Americans have never tasted real cheese!
You’ve got to go to England or France for real cheese.
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SonCatcher
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The objective physical nature of cheese is that it is spoiled milk (albeit milk that has been intentionally spoiled under controlled circumstances). Since there are many ways that milk can be spoiled, each yielding a cheese, yogurt, sour cream, (cultured) buttermilk, etc. Each of these processes is objectively unique, to be sure. However, taste is a subjective reaction to the objective state of the cheese (witness the great number of people who respond in exactly opposite ways to sampling the same cheese under otherwise similar circumstances). As such, the taste is not physical even though the cheese itself is.
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Luvtosew
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Must be, I’m lost.
I mean its obvious we all perceive things differently. No two humans are alike in body or mind.
I mean its obvious we all perceive things differently. No two humans are alike in body or mind.
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SonCatcher
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Or know a good importer.Is this the beginning of a philosophical discussion?
Anyway - most North Americans have never tasted real cheese!
You’ve got to go to England or France for real cheese.
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tonyrey
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Indeed. For those of us who are not priests and do not live in Latin America
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GEddie
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England makes good cheese?Is this the beginning of a philosophical discussion?
Anyway - most North Americans have never tasted real cheese!
You’ve got to go to England or France for real cheese.
Seriously… In this part of NA, there is no problem getting Dutch cheese. Or in SA for that matter, via Aruba.
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MindOverMatter2
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Personally I just let my cheese go mouldy, and serve it to people pretending that it is the real cremdelacrem .
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Theophorus
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How do you know it doesn’t? and if it is not an objective physical reality what is it?
The taste of cheese corresponds to the physical nature of Cheese as we know as taste is the result of a chemical reaction.
In addition when we eat Cheese we say that this cheese taste good/bad etc. I don’t say that this cheese tastes as my mind, which abstracts the taste of cheese, says it should. (I’m a fan of first principles and deductions based on common sense)
Finally if the taste of Cheese is not an objective physical reality, but some sort of individual non-physically perceived construct, then how can I and my cheese-eating friend agree on the distinct characteristics of the various types of cheese, having each individually tasted different portions of the same type of Cheese (I buy Stilton, he buys Stilton and we agree on the characteristics that Stilton the cheese shares)
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Buck_Crosswhite
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Do the people in Wisconsin know they aren’t making REAL cheese?Is this the beginning of a philosophical discussion?
Anyway - most North Americans have never tasted real cheese!
You’ve got to go to England or France for real cheese.
I hate cheese. Every time I get it in my mouth I want to spit.
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Hokomai
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The original question presupposes that things can have something called a nature, and that cheese has one. It also suggests that natures can be ‘objective’ and ‘subjective’. I think cheese is cheese, and gets by without a nature in addition to its material reality.
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triumphguy
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Yes - and it’s not orange!
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SonCatcher
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Of course. The California cheese marketing board caught some Wisconsin tourists entering the state for “reasons other than cheese.” They were obviously trying to get a sample of “real California cheese.”
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Speedypizza
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What is funny, years ago I used to smoke a pipe. I once picked up a magazine from the UK about pipes, and they had a page talking about how GREAT some of our cheap, over the counter pipe tobacco was.Is this the beginning of a philosophical discussion?
Anyway - most North Americans have never tasted real cheese!
You’ve got to go to England or France for real cheese.
People always think stuff that comes from far away tastes better, it is human nature.California and Wisconsin make cheese that is as good as anything they make in France. In fact California makes very good wine too.
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tomarin
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I guess this is another way of saying, how can we trust what our senses report to our brain?
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