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I was thinking the other day (it happens sometimes lol!), we know that John the baptist went around baptizing families and he even baptized Jesus himself. But do we know who baptized John? What about Mary the mother of Jesus, Joseph his father and the apostles. Do you think they were baptized? We never hear about it.
 
Well, as regards St. Joseph, tradition has it that he died earlier in Christ’s life, certainly before St. John the Baptist started preaching. This is because he is never mentioned after Jesus was 12 or so.
 
That’s true. I didn’t think of that. But I wonder about the others.
 
I was thinking the other day (it happens sometimes lol!), we know that John the baptist went around baptizing families and he even baptized Jesus himself. But do we know who baptized John? What about Mary the mother of Jesus, Joseph his father and the apostles. Do you think they were baptized? We never hear about it.
John’s baptism was symbolic of repentance and a change of life. It wasn’t sacramental, no grace. Tradition is that St Joseph died before Jesus was crucified. Our Blessed Mother was born without original sin, she did not need baptism. Anyway, Scritpure and Tradition is silent on her baptism.

The Apostles received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. Since they received Holy Spirit, God gave them the grace of baptism at the same time.
 
As was mentioned, it is Tradition that St. Joseph died before John’s ministry so he was not baptized.

As to Mary and the Apostles, there is no definitive teaching so we can only speculate. Since the Apostles were with Jesus when He was baptized, my thought is that they were baptized as well.

As to St. John The Baptist, it is not doctrine but long held tradition that he was conceived with original sin but cleansed of it (baptized if you will) by the power of the Holy Spirit when he was in the womb and thus “immaculately” born:
“And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant” – filled, like the mother, with the Holy Ghost – “leaped for joy in her womb”, as if to acknowledge the presence of his Lord. Then was accomplished the prophetic utterance of the angel that the child should “be filled with the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb”. Now as the presence of any sin whatever is incompatible with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost in the soul, it follows that at this moment John was cleansed from the stain of original sin. From the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, newadvent.org/cathen/08486b.htm
 
As was mentioned, it is Tradition that St. Joseph died before John’s ministry so he was not baptized.

As to Mary and the Apostles, there is no definitive teaching so we can only speculate. Since the Apostles were with Jesus when He was baptized, my thought is that they were baptized as well.

As to St. John The Baptist, it is not doctrine but long held tradition that he was conceived with original sin but cleansed of it (baptized if you will) by the power of the Holy Spirit when he was in the womb and thus “immaculately” born:
“And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant” – filled, like the mother, with the Holy Ghost – “leaped for joy in her womb”, as if to acknowledge the presence of his Lord. Then was accomplished the prophetic utterance of the angel that the child should “be filled with the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb”. Now as the presence of any sin whatever is incompatible with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost in the soul, it follows that at this moment John was cleansed from the stain of original sin. From the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, newadvent.org/cathen/08486b.htm
If there is a priest or real theologian out there reading this, I would like to know , then, if most of us go walking around without the Holy Spirit most of the time, because most of us have unconfessed venial sins on our soul, and the Church teaches that does NOT break our relationship with God–mortal sins do that. So, and I do not mean any disrespect, does the HS pop in and out of us every time we commit a venial sin and then confess it?

Somehow, that is what the Catholic Encyclopedia is implying when it states “the presence of any sin whatever is incompatible with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost in the soul.”

To be frank, I don’t believe it, stated that way. Would someone qualified to answer please explain this?
 
My guess is that what John was doing was closely related to the mikveh (Jewish bathing ritual). If it was, they all did it.
 
Baptism is from the Greek word baptisma which refers to the ritual purification of the Hellenistic Jews. John the Baptist was administering the Jewish ritual mikveh purification bath.

myjewishlearning.com/life/Life_Events/Weddings/Liturgy_Ritual_and_Custom/Mikveh/how-to-mikveh.shtml
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/mikveh.html

It wasn’t sacramental baptism but the ritual purification of the Old Testament which was often done in the context of some form of confession.

Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan, and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. (Matthew 3:5-6)

Mary, John, Joseph and most others would purify themselves this way at least periodically. The practice was quite common and you can see the ancient mikveh baths throughout Israel to this day. Orthodox Jews still practice this type of ritual purification.





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Baptism is from the Greek word baptisma which refers to the ritual purification of the Hellenistic Jews. John the Baptist was administering the Jewish ritual mikveh purification bath.
Just to add:

Miqveh (aka mikveh, mikvah, miqweh, etc.) refers to the pool of water itself: the word means a ‘collection’ or a ‘gathering’. The requirement for miqvaot (plural of miqveh) is that first, they should be filled with ‘living water’ - the waters must be from a living source, such as rain, stream, river, lake, or ocean, and must be in its natural state (not drawn in by utensils or pumps and plumbing). Many miqvaot past and present in fact have a mechanism to ensure that the pool would be filled and replenished with ‘living water’. Second, the miqveh must contain enough water to ensure total submersion, since the water must touch every part of the body (the traditional minimum limit was 40 seahs of water - 77-140 gallons / 292-532 liters).

Jews immerse themselves in a miqveh whenever they needed to cleanse themselves of ritual impurity (tumah). So one basically immersed oneself after normal emissions of semen - whether due to sex or nocturnal emission (keri), after abnormal discharges of body fluids (zav for males, zavah for females), after having a skin disease (tzara’ath, the word translated as ‘leprosy’ in Bibles), after giving birth to a child, or after coming into contact with either someone suffering from zav or zavah, a woman in her period (niddah), or a corpse or a grave. Priests when they are consecrated also immerse themselves ritually in the miqveh. Pilgrims and worshippers visiting the temple in Jerusalem also immerse themselves in the many miqvaoth that surround the temple. Immersion is also practiced before holy days (like the eve of a Sabbath and Yom Kippur).

Most Jews immersed frequently because after all, there are just many occasions in daily life that could make you contract ritual uncleanliness. (That’s why miqvaot is one of the things archaeologists might find whenever they are digging a Jewish site in the Holy Land. The more wealthy could have private miqvaot in their homes, but for many people, especially village people, a public, communal miqveh or even lakes or rivers serve the purpose.) The more scrupulous ones like the sectarians from Qumran (who some believe were Essenes or a related sect) took it even further and immersed themselves daily, or even several times each day, to ensure that they would never be unclean.

With John the Baptist’s immersion though, the deal is slightly different. Apparently in his case, only one, single immersion will suffice. And the immersion he provided was not just for the cleansing of whatever ritual uncleanliness one contracted. There was a message in his baptisms: to turn away from sin (moral uncleanliness), to ‘come back’ (that’s where the word ‘repent’ comes from) to a restored relationship with God. Repentance and a righteous life purifies people of their sins; his baptism is an outward sign of that purification. In John’s view, the ‘wrath to come’ is fast approaching, so purification and the restoration of relations between God and His people is urgently needed. The fact that he conducted his baptisms in the Jordan River is also symbolic: that was the river the Israelites crossed when they entered the Promised Land. Was John suggesting a new entry into a promised land and a reaffirmation of the nation as God’s people?
 
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