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PJM
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“Can TRUTH” survive in the current times…
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It certainly seems not to be very popular
Love and prayers,
Pat
.It certainly seems not to be very popular
Love and prayers,
Pat
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Love_the_Lorax
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Seems hard to believe sometimes… I have complete faith that the Church will not be brought down completely. But, times are hard right now.
I just read Father Elijah and couldn’t help but shake my head in agreement thinking of how many voices cry out now wanting the Church to change, how many don’t want to listen to the Holy Father.
I just read Father Elijah and couldn’t help but shake my head in agreement thinking of how many voices cry out now wanting the Church to change, how many don’t want to listen to the Holy Father.
“Can TRUTH” survive in the current times…
It certainly seems not to be very popular
Love and prayers,
Pat
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Dorothy
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This sounds like an excellent series in the making, with Father Robert Barron:
wordonfire.org/catholicismproject/default.aspx#
It is about the subject in this thread, and offers hope and inspiration.
wordonfire.org/catholicismproject/default.aspx#
It is about the subject in this thread, and offers hope and inspiration.
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laszlo
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God’s absolute truth survives always. The jurisdictional hierarchical Church is the depository of God’s truth.
This or that group’s truth dies with the group.
This or that group’s truth dies with the group.
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cyejbv
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I feel blessed that I haven’t asked myself that particular question. 
But I can understand what you mean!!!
Interestingly, our family watched Lord of the Rings the other day. Now, I am NOT a movie fan. Can’t sit still, and I have get to the point-itis sometimes, but I love that film. It absolutely parallels how I think many feel, and particularly in the world today: in the movie, it seems like the ‘bad guys’ are going to win.
I mean, they just keep hammering and hammering away. Just when you think the good guys are going to get an edge, bam! The bad guys go and build this giant orc troll thing (my terminology is clearly not official here, though to you afficianados that goes without saying, hmm?
) and you just think come ON! How much more can they go on!? I’ve seen this thing 5 or 6 times. I know how this movie ends! But I STILL get all worked up!
I suggest everyone watch that through an archetypical good vs evil viewpoint, and watch it as a Catholic. What trolls or orcs have come after Holy Mother Church? What ‘bad guys’ have tried to take ‘down’ our Holy Father?
Of course JRR Tolkien was Catholic, I think that movie and the book (the movie is rare in that I think it is almost as good as the book!!) are sort of a blessing slash reminder for us. After all, didn’t someone say God put the scent in flowers just because He loves us? Maybe he inspires authors as well for our benefit.
Who knows?? I certainly don’t-- but in life, just as in this film, ** evil ultimately prevailing over good is only an illusion.**
*As Catholics, we know how ‘our’ movie ends too. *
Pax!
But I can understand what you mean!!!Interestingly, our family watched Lord of the Rings the other day. Now, I am NOT a movie fan. Can’t sit still, and I have get to the point-itis sometimes, but I love that film. It absolutely parallels how I think many feel, and particularly in the world today: in the movie, it seems like the ‘bad guys’ are going to win.
I mean, they just keep hammering and hammering away. Just when you think the good guys are going to get an edge, bam! The bad guys go and build this giant orc troll thing (my terminology is clearly not official here, though to you afficianados that goes without saying, hmm?
) and you just think come ON! How much more can they go on!? I’ve seen this thing 5 or 6 times. I know how this movie ends! But I STILL get all worked up!I suggest everyone watch that through an archetypical good vs evil viewpoint, and watch it as a Catholic. What trolls or orcs have come after Holy Mother Church? What ‘bad guys’ have tried to take ‘down’ our Holy Father?
Of course JRR Tolkien was Catholic, I think that movie and the book (the movie is rare in that I think it is almost as good as the book!!) are sort of a blessing slash reminder for us. After all, didn’t someone say God put the scent in flowers just because He loves us? Maybe he inspires authors as well for our benefit.
Who knows?? I certainly don’t-- but in life, just as in this film, ** evil ultimately prevailing over good is only an illusion.**
*As Catholics, we know how ‘our’ movie ends too. *
Pax!
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GEddie
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“You can’t handle the truth!” – Jack Nicholson
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Bakuryokuso
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We have the promise from Christ that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, but that unfortunately doesn’t mean that the church will survive in every country or diocese - if you look at Turkey, North Africa, Scandinavia.
Love the Tolkien analogy.
Love the Tolkien analogy.
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PJM
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YEP! And I beleive!
But why is is TRUTH [logic sems to dictate ONLY one allwoed per issue] such a difficult thing to accept for soooooo many? Most well intended!
God Bless,
Pat
Lots of good replys… THANKS!
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Nostradennis
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The intellect has an insatiable appetite for knowledge. The intellect cannot sit still otherwise boredom sets in. Truth points out the way to the will what the good is. We have a natural inclination to know the truth and the will has a natural inclination to get the good. That’s human nature. The human race is divided between those who love the truth and those who despise it. Why do human beings despise the truth when they have a natural inclination to it? There are two principal reasons.
- The truth constrains us to a reality. The intellect must bow down before what it sees as true. The truth requires a humiliation of our intellect. This is something that runs against the pride of human beings.
- Truth spoils the fun of the debauched. The truth about human morality, even those we know by human reason are strict, and the supernatural truths revealed by God are even more strict. So when we hear the truth and know what the truth will do to our immoral lives we learn to despise the truth.
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PJM
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VERY Perceptive; but my quandry is what about those who THINK they are seeking truth? [BUT are being SOLD FALSE TRUTHS] … Why doesn’t logic step in to assist them?
GREAT REPLY!
Welcome to the Forum!
God Bless,
Pat
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The_Old_Medic
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It is not really a question at all. Of course truth can survive, just as it always has.
Regardless of whatever people may say, there is only one truth.
Regardless of whatever people may say, there is only one truth.
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PJM
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Agreed!
So How do we get others to acknowledge it?
God Bless,
Pat
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JackVk
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“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell
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catsrus
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This is an excellent question for which I have no answer.
BUT!, I can use my own experience here…I stumbled around in the dark for literally years, trying every brand of Christianity and some not so Christian. I was always dissatisfied until I was willing to investigate HMC. “I found it”, my soul cried out!!! It only took 50 years; but, hey!, I thank God He allowed me to survive all that I did to myself during those 50 years so that I could be with Him now.
Logic? I don’t know. I don’t question now. I’m just happy to feel that I live in the palm of His hand.
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NYTony
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In many cases, men will ignore or rationalize truth in order to continue in their sinful ways. We think that by rationalizing our behaviour we can avoid the guilt and shame that goes along with it. The great Archbishop Sheen wrote this in 1958 in his book “Life of Christ”.
"A fourth distinguishing fact is that He does not fit, as the other world teachers do, into the established category of a good man. Good men do not lie. But if Christ was not all that He said He was, namely, the Son of the living God, the Word of God in the flesh, then He was not just a good man; He was a knave, a liar, a charlatan, and the greatest deceiver who ever lived. If He was not what He said He was, the Christ, the Son of God, He was the anti-Christ! If He was only a man, then He was not even a good man.
But He was not only a man. He would have us either worship Him or despise Him; despise Him as a mere man, or worship Him as true God and true man. That is the alternative He presents. It may very well be that the Communists, who are so anti-Christ, are closer to Him than those who see Him as a sentimentalist and a vague moral reformer. The Communists have at least decided that if He wins, they lose; the others are afraid to consider Him either as winning or losing, because they are not prepared to meet the moral demands which this victory would make on their souls.
If He is what He claimed to be, a Saviour, a Redeemer, then we have a virile Christ and a leader worth following in these terrible times. One who will step into the breach of death, crushing sin, gloom and despair; a leader to Whom we can make totalitarian sacrifice without losing, but gaining freedom, and Whom we can love even unto death. We need a Christ today Who will make cords and drive the buyers and sellers from our new temples; Who will blast the unfruitful fig trees; Who will talk of crosses and sacrifices and Whose voice will be like the voice of the raging sea… But He will not allow us to pick and choose among His words, discarding the hard ones, and accepting the ones that please our fancy. We need a Christ Who will restore moral indignation, Who will make us hate evil with a passionate intensity, and love goodness to a point where we can drink death like water.
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Nostradennis
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The will has a natural inclination to get the good. How do we get the good? We either trust ourselves or defer to an expert on what the good is. Every profession has an expert. For health it’s doctors and pharmacists, for food it’s chefs and nutritionists, and for religion it’s The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the “pillar and ground of the truth” as Saint Paul tells in 1 Timothy 3:15 . Anyone who is sold on false truths is not looking at the right expert and may have faulty logic to begin with.
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