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I was wondering if anyone has heard if a book called “Priestless Parishes” by Virginia Stillwell. Our parish life coordinator wants the parish council to study this book because the priest shortage in our diocese is getting worse, and the parishes are “clustering”. I have my fears, especially since she introduced the tome on the agenda as Future Church…any help would be appreciated!
 
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mfundis:
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has heard if a book called “Priestless Parishes” by Virginia Stillwell. Our parish life coordinator wants the parish council to study this book because the priest shortage in our diocese is getting worse, and the parishes are “clustering”. I have my fears, especially since she introduced the tome on the agenda as Future Church…any help would be appreciated!
I have not read the book, but have actually experieneced the Priest shortage first hand. This may not be typical but it does happen. In the mid eighties I was stationed in South Texas. Our parish church was beautiful, well over 100 years old with remarkable architecture. Unfortunately the Parish had no resident Priest. Sacramental functions were carried out by what could best be described as circuit riders out of San Antonio, who came by on the average of about once every month or so. Sometimes a little more often. The rest of the time we were at the mercy of the Sisters of the Most Precious Blood :bigyikes:

a truly radical group of sisters. Their beliefs and practices were way ,way, way, way, way out there, some of which I have posted here previously. Lets just say that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass was no where near the top of their agenda on Sundays. In fact, I’m not really sure if they were really a Catholic order at all now that I think about it. Their communion services often were thinly disguised harangues against the U.S. government and it’s involvement in Central America. A lot of us were either military or government employees and we got tagged a lot for our complicity in injustice. We were berated constantly for living in the wealthiest country in the world, while people were starving right across the border. Since we were all obviously unworthy, we could not receive holy communion, but got a good tongue lashing instead. And yes, there were consecrated hosts available but only for them. The Mass was almost always a Communion Service minus the Communion.

When the circuit riders appeared on the scene, you never knew what you were going to get. The one common thing was they didn’t like being there and it showed. At least Communion was available. Usually. The priests also were heavily into liberation theology and most of their homilies dealt with that and the plight of Central America migrants escaping the wars and poverty back home. Sometimes they would have a few of these people sitting in the front rows with hoods over their heads, probably to protect them from the Border Patrol, a few of whom were parishners. I often wondered how they felt about all of it. We did have one Priest, I can’t recall his name, who was fairly orthodox, except he gave every Mass entirely in Spanish. His rationale was that since south Texas had once belonged to Mexico, it was only right that we honor that heritage. It would have been all right but he barely spoke Spanish. By the way the congregation was split about 50/50 English Spanish speakers.

Anyway, Baptisms had to be scheduled usually at least 8 months to a year in advance. You could forget church weddings at all. Well thats not entirely true, you could rent the church and have a justice of the peace. Or you could try to schedule with the Priests :rotfl:

There was no catechism available except at the parish school, and you can guess who ran that drum roll

Thats right, our good friends the Sisters 👍

And as you may have guessed by now, their view of what needed to be taught was a good bit different than what the church did.

They also ran the reconciliation services, and just about everything else. Confirmations were handled through the diocese exclusively.

No it is not at all pleasant being without a resident priest.
 
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mfundis:
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has heard if a book called “Priestless Parishes” by Virginia Stillwell. Our parish life coordinator wants the parish council to study this book because the priest shortage in our diocese is getting worse, and the parishes are “clustering”. I have my fears, especially since she introduced the tome on the agenda as Future Church…any help would be appreciated!
I wonder the same thing. It seems this book is “going around” the dioceses. We need to know more about this.
 
Search for it on Amazon, it allows you to read the first few pages.

It doesnt seem half bad - its not advocating replacing priests or anything nutty, bhut it seems to be putting forward a programme for parishes that dont have priests.
 
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mfundis:
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has heard if a book called “Priestless Parishes” by Virginia Stillwell. Our parish life coordinator wants the parish council to study this book because the priest shortage in our diocese is getting worse, and the parishes are “clustering”. I have my fears, especially since she introduced the tome on the agenda as Future Church…any help would be appreciated!
No such animal as “Priestless Parish”. It is the biggest lie you can be fed by the modernist liberals.

Look at the Eastern Rites here in the US, how they travel many miles to go to Divine Liturgy. Look at the Traditional Catholics in communion with the Holy See… how they travel many miles to attend Holy Mass every Sunday.

If the Church becomes smaller with less and less priests… you just have to adapt yourself to deal with it by driving a little farther to go to Mass.

And, in order to have more priests… pray, pray, pray for vocations.

Ken
 
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No such animal as “Priestless Parish”. It is the biggest lie you can be fed by the modernist liberals.

Look at the Eastern Rites here in the US, how they travel many miles to go to Divine Liturgy. Look at the Traditional Catholics in communion with the Holy See… how they travel many miles to attend Holy Mass every Sunday.

If the Church becomes smaller with less and less priests… you just have to adapt yourself to deal with it by driving a little farther to go to Mass.

And, in order to have more priests… pray, pray, pray for vocations.

Ken
Amen. And promote promote promote. It seems the dioceses without vocations do more complaining than recruiting.
 
I know a small town of maybe 1500-2000 at the most.

Three blocks apart are two giagantic Catholic parishes. Why not combine the two into one.

I can name a town where there are four Catholic churches in four blocks. One even shares a parking lot. That is bureacratical insanity.
The Latin Catholic diocese here is facing the “priest shortage” issue. But if you consolidated parishes and resources the shortage would be far less of a true shortage.
There is no reason many of the towns in the diocese need three Catholic churches.
Could you imagine actually going to a church that was packed and had a priest that was energetic and not stressed out from taking care of three parishes by himself… running three different schedules…
 
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I know a small town of maybe 1500-2000 at the most.

Three blocks apart are two giagantic Catholic parishes. Why not combine the two into one.

I can name a town where there are four Catholic churches in four blocks. One even shares a parking lot. That is bureacratical insanity.
The Latin Catholic diocese here is facing the “priest shortage” issue. But if you consolidated parishes and resources the shortage would be far less of a true shortage.
There is no reason many of the towns in the diocese need three Catholic churches.
Could you imagine actually going to a church that was packed and had a priest that was energetic and not stressed out from taking care of three parishes by himself… running three different schedules…
Exactly. Closing parishes is ok (a call to evanglize but still theologically ok). Priestless parishes are not a solution, even superficially, to the problem.

less priests + less mass attendance = less parishes

less priests + less mass attendance <> priestless parishes

priestless parish <> parish
 
I think the answer is to pray for, and encourage more priestly vocations (my parish is actively “courting” the young adult crowd) – not to just accept this doom-and-gloom scenario of “parishes” without priests (sic).

I hate to see churches in the city closed – given the huge numbers of people who don’t drive, or don’t have cars, and walking to church is their only way to get there. I imagine we may be needing a “transportation” ministry in the future.

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People need to figure out what produces priests.

I see evidence in my own diocese that the more traditional parishes produce the priests while some “modern” parishes have existed for over 20 years while producing no priests. These same large modern parishes can have memberships exceeding 2,000 families.

It is kind of a grow your own thing. Those parishes that produce priests should always have their own priest. Those that don’t should share. If you don’t have a priest, then instituting Eucharistic Adoration could be helpful for continual prayer for a priest.

Another option is to have a mission with a priest with a national reputation. A parish without a priest could have such missions twice a year.

Now I must address reality. Implementing some of these ideas can be extremely difficult if the parish staff has other ideas. Also some bishops would not approve.

Nevertheless, the “progressive” parishes are loosing the war of attrition because nationally vocations are coming from the traditional parishes. What kind of men are they? Devout, tradtional, orthodox, faithful men.

It is possible the Catholic Church will shrink a bit in the near term but will rise stronger than ever in the next generation.
 
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