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Have you seen that photo of the doctor holding the teeny baby’s feet between his thumb and forefinger? That picture came to my mind –a few days ago- as I read that birth control pills cause a fertilized egg to wash out of a woman’s body because the chemicals thin the walls of the uterus and the little one cannon implant where it was meant to attach and begin to grow. It has the entire DNA for its genetic make-up, hair color, eye color, nose, lips…

I could not believe this information. I did not want to believe this information. Haven’t I been against abortion? Haven’t I come to realize that life begins at conception? Haven’t I been praying every night that God would open the eyes of parents who had had abortions and let them repent of the terrible thing they had done, knowingly or unknowingly??? Suddenly, God was opening my eyes. Hadn’t I taken birth control pills in the 70s? Yes, I took them to prevent the egg and the sperm from meeting. Little did I know that a percentage of the time they were meeting and being washed away without a thought. Now, do I have other children? How many? I will only know when I get to heaven. (Yes, God forgives me because I did not know. Ha! I have been praying for myself all this time! I’m one of the “unknowingly” ones.)

How many other women and men are being fooled? I know some won’t care. But, would some care—if they knew?
I did research. All the birth control pills, patches, and iuds allow some breakthrough ovulation and thus there is a chance that babies are being aborted soon after conception. Don’t let the drug companies fool you. They are being a little less than forthcoming. READ THE FINE PRINT.

I’m not trying to be self-righteous. I just need to share this information so I can stand before God and tell Him I’m truly sorry. I also know this is a controversial issue. But, for your children’s sakes do the research. Here is a place to start and please, pray for me.
prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

Is there a chance I have misunderstood this information?
 
Petra,
Yes, I too was devastated when I learned this information in nursing school. I took BC pills for about 10 years before becoming a Christian.
I still feel sad for the possible children I may have lost.
We can only rely on the mercy of God, which is immense.
And try to spread the truth, as you are doing.
 
petra22 said:
Suddenly, God was opening my eyes. Hadn’t I taken birth control pills in the 70s? Yes, I took them to prevent the egg and the sperm from meeting. Little did I know that a percentage of the time they were meeting and being washed away without a thought. Now, do I have other children? How many? I will only know when I get to heaven. (Yes, God forgives me because I did not know. Ha! I have been praying for myself all this time! I’m one of the “unknowingly” ones.)

How many other women and men are being fooled?

**But, for your children’s sakes **do the research. Here is a place to start and please, pray for me.

Is there a chance I have misunderstood this information?
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Blessing on you Dearest Petra.

Sadly you are not misunderstanding that the pill (and other hormonal contraception) actually work part of the time as an abortifacient… aborting the newly conceived child by not allowing her to implant in her mother’s womb.

First the pill tries to stop ovulation. The second way it works in case ovulation occurs, is to change the mucus so that sperm have less chance of reaching the egg which was released. Third, in case the sperm and egg unite - meaning in case the egg is fertilized - meaning in case of conception, it works to keep the newly conceived child from implanting in her mother’s womb.

Some will say, “This is not an abortion.” They say this because they redefine their idea of an abortion. They say, “It is not an abortion because there is not a pregnancy”. They say there is not a pregnancy because the child has not implanted in the womb."

Well, what is missing is that a newly conceived child is aborted. The newly conceived child is very small, but is really a new human being, a new individual. The newly conceived child can not find a safe place to implant in mother’s womb… and sadly dies; dies because mother has chemically change the lining of her womb to be hostile to her precious child.

So many people do not know this. So many pro-life people would no longer take the pill if they only knew.

Thank you, Dearest Petra, for this beautiful thread. Maybe another family will hear and choose not to use the pill or other abortifacents.

There is a beautiful book called Pierced by a Sword, that describes the little babies in heaven who have died from the Pill. I can’t remember exactly how the author, Bud Macfarlane, describes these beautiful children, but something like the parents finding gold in heaven when they meet their precious little ones. (The novel addresses many aspects of Faith, including this which is a small part of the story.)

You can get a free copy from Catholicity. catholicity.com/novels/pierced.html

If you do have babies in Heaven, God and the babies know that you did not know it was possible to conceive a child while on the pill and loose the baby due to the hostile lining of the womb.

I believe babies in Heaven pray for their families on earth.

God bless you and may you feel at peace.
 
RoseMary131 said:
There is a beautiful book called Pierced by a Sword, that describes the little babies in heaven who have died from the Pill. I can’t remember exactly how the author, Bud Macfarlane, describes these beautiful children, but something like the parents finding gold in heaven when they meet their precious little ones. (The novel addresses many aspects of Faith, including this which is a small part of the story.)

Thank you, I’m looking it up right now and can’t wait to read it!!!
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Is there an alternative medication for women that take it to regulate their cycles, and have endometriosis? I am no longer a fan of the pill, and was clueless all the years that I took them during my childbearing years. This is great information and thanks for sharing.

I wish they would teach this in health class in high school. It may cause some to really think about dangers of birth control.
 
Not a medication that I know of. Only some devices that help with Natural Family Planning. Cute little gadgets that let you know electronically if you are fertile. Check out NFP. That’s the only thing I know so far…
 
peaceplease said:
Is there an alternative medication for women that take it to regulate their cycles, and have endometriosis? I am no longer a fan of the pill, and was clueless all the years that I took them during my childbearing years. This is great information and thanks for sharing.

I wish they would teach this in health class in high school. It may cause some to really think about dangers of birth control.
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I found this site that explains a lot and mentions endometriosis…
wellnessmama.com/8396/natural-alternatives-to-hormonal-contraceptives/

Good luck and God Bless.
 
peaceplease said:
Is there an alternative medication for women that take it to regulate their cycles, and have endometriosis? I am no longer a fan of the pill, and was clueless all the years that I took them during my childbearing years. This is great information and thanks for sharing.

I wish they would teach this in health class in high school. It may cause some to really think about dangers of birth control.
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petra22 said:
Not a medication that I know of. Only some devices that help with Natural Family Planning. Cute little gadgets that let you know electronically if you are fertile. Check out NFP. That’s the only thing I know so far…
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NFP is simply observation. NFP will not and cannot treat or cure anything.

It is weighing yourself. Weighing yourself cannot help you gain or lose weight. The scale simply tells you how much you weigh. You can then eat more/less or exercise more/less.

Now there are doctors that can use the information you gather from your observations, to figure out what is wrong, but then they will prescribe treatments, either medication or surgical intervention.
 
I have no experience with the pill, but I thought there was a variant that operated solely by preventing ovulation. Is there such a pill?
 
While I was away from the church in the early 90’s shortly after I was married I had Norplant implanted in my arm under the skin. I was afraid I would forget to take a pill. Norplant only has Levonorgestrel without estrogen. It has a higher rate of break through ovulation, its whats used in “emergency contraception”. I was always pro-life even when I was away from the church. I only had it in a year and a half even though it was good for 5 years. Its not on market anymore as far as I know. Getting it implanted is easy -getting it removed was excruciating (and I have a high pain tolerance)-which is probably why it lost popularity. I found out how it worked during an NFP class after our daughter was born. I remember my husband rubbing my hand while I fought back tears, horrified at the fact that most likely lost children during that year and a half. I think of the pain of getting it removed as a small part of my penance even though I didn’t know. I have a tiny centimeter scar on the inside of my arm as my reminder of what I have done.

Pro-life women are lied to when they are told these drugs are not abortifacients. Its evil and tragic.
 
rayne89 said:
I found out how it worked during an NFP class after our daughter was born. I remember my husband rubbing my hand while I fought back tears, horrified at the fact that most likely lost children during that year and a half. I think of the pain of getting it removed as a small part of my penance even though I didn’t know. I have a tiny centimeter scar on the inside of my arm as my reminder of what I have done.

Pro-life women are lied to when they are told these drugs are not abortifacients. Its evil and tragic.
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Dearest Rayne, Please know that God knew your heart and your husband’s and that you did not know the lie that had been told to you.

Know, too, if you do have precious children in Heaven that they know your heart as well. If you do have sweet children in Heaven, they pray for you and their dad and siblings. They are your own little saints.

Thank you for sharing, maybe another family will hear and know the truth.

May you feel God’s peace.
 
rayne89 said:
I found out how it worked during an NFP class after our daughter was born. I remember my husband rubbing my hand while I fought back tears, horrified at the fact that most likely lost children during that year and a half. I think of the pain of getting it removed as a small part of my penance even though I didn’t know. I have a tiny centimeter scar on the inside of my arm as my reminder of what I have done.
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I feel your pain. I cry and pray for all of us who have made this mistake. There is a beautiful prayer from the greenscapular people (www.greenscapular.org). I don’t know how I found it. But it helps me to pray this prayer requested somehow by God the Father for parents of aborted children. I haven’t looked up the history of it. It’s dated 3/13/2009
 
RoseMary131 said:
Thank you for sharing, maybe another family will hear and know the truth.
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I sent this information to every family member on the e-mail list. I hope some of them listened and did the research. It’s so hard in this society of me, me, me…
My own daughter is using the non-hormonal iud but it is not fool proof, either. If you read the fine print, pregnancies that occur happen in the tubes or other parts not meant to support babies, so the woman can die or the baby will miscarry or abort. This lets you know that breakthrough ovulation occurs. But they say they have no evidence that it happens any more frequently than women on no bc, so it’s not abortifacient, they say.

Anybody know a group I can donate to that tries to help young women? I really would like to do something. Why can’t the government provide those temperature gauges for women? I think they cost about $500 each. They are wanting to provide IUDs and the pill…
 
petra22 said:
My own daughter is using the non-hormonal iud but it is not fool proof, either.

This lets you know that breakthrough ovulation occurs. But they say they have no evidence that it happens any more frequently than women on no bc, so it’s not abortifacient, they say.
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The IUD is strictly abortifacient.

The mother ovulates as normal - because she is doing nothing to artificially stop her ovulation. It would not be considered “break through ovulation”. It is the normal monthly ovulation of the woman.

Fertilization takes place in the Fallopian tubes where the sperm meets the egg.

The fertilized egg (conceived child) travels to to the womb (uterus) where it will implant.

Due to the disruption of the IUD inside of the uterus (womb), the child can not implant. The child dies - aborted because of the IUD.

Abortifacient - IUD
ccli.org/nfp/contraception-sterilization/iuds.php
 
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My own daughter is using the non-hormonal iud but it is not fool proof, either. If you read the fine print, pregnancies that occur happen in the tubes or other parts not meant to support babies, so the woman can die or the baby will miscarry or abort. This lets you know that breakthrough ovulation occurs. But they say they have no evidence that it happens any more frequently than women on no bc, so it’s not abortifacient, they say.
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The misleading/ misguided literature which says that the IUD is not an abortifacient, may do so with a definition that “pregnancy has not occurred.”

Today’s often used definition of if something is an abortifacient is often based on saying the “mother is not pregnant” - the conceived child, the fertilized egg, can NOT implant so mother is never “pregnant”… thus no abortion.

However, this is not an accurate definition because an abortion is to destroy or kill or abort the conceived child - not simply to abort pregnancy.

The literature you mention describes “pregnancy” in the Fallopian tubes…meaning the conceived child implanted in the Fallopian tubes. They are referencing where the implantation happens. The literature obviously is saying “NO implantation occurs in the uterus” meaning “no pregnancy in the uterus”. What they are not saying is that the conceived child will be aborted because she can not implant. The conceived child /fertilized egg can not implant due to the abortifacent nature of the IUD.

(IUDs can cause ectopic pregnancies - implantation in the Fallopian tubes.)

Tricky, tricky world - changing the definition of being an abortifacent - based on if implantation of the conceived child has occurred.

Defining Pregnancy
ccli.org/nfp/contraception-sterilization/defining-pregnancy.php
 
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