Having a discussion with with a Muslim who Says no where in the bible does it say Jesus died for our sins

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I know I was shocked myself he even said “even if you ask a Protestant they will tell you Jesus didn’t die on the cross they believe someone else was put there” I told him and Christian of any Christian denomination believes that Jesus and only Jesus died on the cross for our sins
 
I’m not doubting I believe Jesus died on the cross and rose again I do know some about my faith but when I’m put on the spot on can’t think and afterwards I’m like “I could of said this” “oh why didn’t I say that” I put that question up while he was speaking to me as I couldn’t think of any replies to say he said a lot more after this was posted
 
John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
You can always ask him how he knows the Quran is accurate since Muhammad wrote none of it down and it was supposedly assembled piecemeal from memory by his closest advisors after he was dead?

Why do the oldest complete Qurans date to the 9th century rather than the 7th despite most of North Africa, Arabia and Persia being under consistent Muslim control since the Rashidun Caliphate?

No need to always be on defense. You can play offense too.
 
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He could have met some strange fringe groups who have odd beliefs.

Also, remember, if everything you ever knew about Catholicism came from the local Apostolic Pentecostal preacher, you would have a less than clear version of Catholic beliefs. Your friend may have had his “Christianity” education from a non-Christian.
 
They’ve been fed lies by their religion. Pray for them, because it’s unlikely they’ll be open to actual argumentation and evidence. They just claim it was made up or changed. Since there’s no substance to their argument, there’s no way to disprove it, which they interpret as evidence.
 
That’s exactly what he was doing! When I qouted paul he said Paul was an alcoholic and a liar when I qouted Peter he said peter wasn’t really a disciples of Christ
 
I can’t play offence because I can’t think when I’m put on the spot I only think what I “could”
Of said after also when I get into one I start to stutter I don’t know why my brain gets scrabbled and I stutter I don’t normally stutter only when I get into those sort of situations
 
There’s no reasoning with them because their religion is not founded on rational thought, it’s founded on unquestioning adherence to the quran.

Their entire argument is founded on assertions that not only have no evidence, but which actually contradict the evidence we do have. No matter what you say, they won’t believe you because that would show that their so-called prophet was actually nothing more than a deviant warlord.
 
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I can’t play offence because I can’t think when I’m put on the spot I only think what I “could”
Of said after also when I get into one I start to stutter I don’t know why my brain gets scrabbled and I stutter I don’t normally stutter only when I get into those sort of situations
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Well, to the original query, John 3:16 pretty clear answers it.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And you can offer a gentle counter - If Muhammad is the author of the Quran, why are the oldest complete texts 200 years newer? You guys lose Mecca for a time, or something?
 
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He said something about Mecca I didn’t know what he was talking about it’s a place is it?
 
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He said something about Mecca I didn’t know what he was talking about it’s a place is it?
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Mecca is the religious capital of Islam. It’s in Saudi Arabia. It’s been under Muslim dominion ever since Muhammad captured it.

Islam, from its birth, has been an extremely violent religion.
 
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your lucky you know so much I found it difficult today since I know nothing about Islam I don’t know one word of the Quran or when it was written I’ve never even seen one but I have learned a lot about my faith and how to defend and that wouldn’t of been possible without the people on this forum I’ve learned so much since I joined x
 
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your lucky you know so much I found it difficult today since I know nothing about Islam I don’t know one word of the Quran or when it was written I’ve never even seen one but I have learned a lot about my faith and how to defend and that wouldn’t of been possible without the people on this forum I’ve learned so much since I joined x
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Muhammad created the religion as a way to pay soldiers because he didn’t have money. He realized no one fights harder than a man who thinks he’s fighting for God. And they were incentivized to follow it. Arabia was a cultural backwater of Christian Byzantium where bad Christian heretics got banished. It wasn’t a Premier Destination and the empire largely turned its collective nose up at Arabia.

So he created a religion where men that died in war-service to the religion (Jihad) automatically went to heaven, no matter how bad they were at other times in life. And they were rewarded with sex angels for all of eternity.
Women? They got jewels and comfortable couches… Pretty easy to see it was written by a fairly uneducated chauvinist warlord, right?

The size of the caliphate a mere 30 years after Muhammad was dead:
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Islam doesn’t mean “Peace”. It means “Peace for Muslims”.

And he never wrote it down so no one could call him on it when he was inconsistent.
 
As you would not want to learn Catholicism from an anti-Catholic Hardshell Baptist, I would advise you to learn about Islam from sources other than what you read in a couple of paragraphs.
 
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I didn’t know he was referring to a different bible he said he doesn’t believe the writings of Paul he said Paul was a alcoholic and a liar
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You can read the Gospel of Barnabas (trans. Lonsdale and Laura Ragg) in English here, that according to the page states is a basis for many Muslim translations. Also it states that “belief in this Gospel is in no way an article of Islamic faith”.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/gbar/
 
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