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Is it a sin to not ever want to have children?
I grew up in South America and as long as I remember I never cared to have children. I have been to an orphanage when I was 8 or 9 and it broke my heart to see so many children without parents.
I’m a Roman Catholic and I went to a Catholic School until the age of 12. I still consider myself Catholic. I believe in praying.
I do take birth control because I don’t want to have children. My husband is ok with it. I hope this made sense. Thanks. 🙂
 
Is it a sin to not ever want to have children?
I grew up in South America and as long as I remember I never cared to have children. I have been to an orphanage when I was 8 or 9 and it broke my heart to see so many children without parents.
I’m a Roman Catholic and I went to a Catholic School until the age of 12. I still consider myself Catholic. I believe in praying.
I do take birth control because I don’t want to have children. My husband is ok with it. I hope this made sense. Thanks. 🙂
  1. The Catholic Church teaches that the sacrament of marriage is a vocation and within this vocation one is called to bring forth new fruit i.e children - those who do not want to have kids are not called to this vocation - there are of course exceptions for example a woman or man who cannot have kids
  2. Taking birth control is a mortal sin if the intent is to not have kids - this does not mean a woman can take the pill for other reasons.
  3. you may be okay with it, your husband may be okay with it, but the Catholic Church teaches us that God is not okay with it.
 
Is it a sin to not ever want to have children?
No, but people who don’t want children aren’t called to the vocation of marriage. Were you and your spouse married in the Church? Did you mention the fact that you don’t want children to the priest who married you? Did you attend pre-Cana classes?
I grew up in South America and as long as I remember I never cared to have children. I have been to an orphanage when I was 8 or 9 and it broke my heart to see so many children without parents.
Perhaps you’re called to be a parent to orphans.
I’m a Roman Catholic and I went to a Catholic School until the age of 12. I still consider myself Catholic. I believe in praying.
Great! Then pray that the Holy Spirit will help you understand the Church’s teaching on sexuality, openess to life, and why using birth control to avoid having children is a mortal sin.
I do take birth control because I don’t want to have children. My husband is ok with it. I hope this made sense. Thanks. 🙂
With all respect, what your husband is “ok” with isn’t really the point. It’s what God is ok with. Do you have a priest you could talk to about this? Find a good, solid Catholic source to start learning about the gift of sexuality in marriage and what its purpose is.

Good luck!
 
Is it a sin to not ever want to have children?
I grew up in South America and as long as I remember I never cared to have children. I have been to an orphanage when I was 8 or 9 and it broke my heart to see so many children without parents.
I’m a Roman Catholic and I went to a Catholic School until the age of 12. I still consider myself Catholic. I believe in praying.
I do take birth control because I don’t want to have children. My husband is ok with it. I hope this made sense. Thanks. 🙂
Since you are already married, please seek the counsel of your priest. If you are not in a sacramental marriage, perhaps you were not called to be married since you do not want children. If you are in a sacramental marriage (though that may not be the case if you took your wedding vows and at that time did not intend to have children), then please learn from your priest and the Church what the Sacrament of Marriage entails. If you still find that you cannot live with what a Catholic sacramental marriage means, and you still wish to be married and do not want children, maybe you and your husband would find that a Josephite marriage would be what you seek. I think the best thing to do, though, is to seek the counsel of your priest and Holy Mother Church.
 
Even if you don’t want to have children, one of the requirements to be validly married in the Catholic Church is that you are, at the very least, open to having children. Hopefully, you were at least open to having children when you actually said your vows.

In order to be open to having children, you cannot use artificial contraception or the birth control pill (which also acts as an abortifacient, killing already conceived children by not allowing them to implant on the uterine wall).
 
Is it a sin to not ever want to have children?
I grew up in South America and as long as I remember I never cared to have children. I have been to an orphanage when I was 8 or 9 and it broke my heart to see so many children without parents.
I’m a Roman Catholic and I went to a Catholic School until the age of 12. I still consider myself Catholic. I believe in praying.
I do take birth control because I don’t want to have children. My husband is ok with it. I hope this made sense. Thanks. 🙂
Not wanting to have biological children is not a sin.

Not wanting to have “spiritual” children is a sin.

By spiritual children I simply mean those you “parent” in some way by sharing your faith and works of charity with them.

To use contraception is a grave sin, and to do so with intention contrary to the Church is a mortal sin. You know the consequences of that.

You and your husband should simply consecrate yourselves to celibacy (no sex).

Is that what you want? You CAN NOT have sex while not being open to becoming pregnant, and you CAN NOT us contraception.
 
I’d like to paint a little picture for you…take you on a little journey…tell you a story. It’s a true story…one that I have lived, and one that has been, is now and will be lived by countless Catholic couples.

Come with me…

The room is dimly lit.
It’s quiet.
It has an old, dusty smell about it.
We sit, hand in hand on a couch, staring at the walls lined with spiritual books, pictures of the Vatican and the Pope, Mary and the Saints and crucifixes. Our hands are clammily entwined, more clutching than holding. I feel the tremble of my wife’s hands. I place my free hand lovingly over our hand’s embrace and smile at her when she catches my eye. I can see the nervousness lying shallowly under the surface.
We sit in quiet.
All we can hear is the faint tick-tock, tick-tock of the wall clock and somewhere in another room floorboards are creaking.

The creaking gets louder and a shadow falls under the closed door. My wife’s hand clutches mine even more tightly.

We found our way here after much deliberation. We know what the Church teaches. We also know that we cannot have more children. NFP has proven not to work. The tolls of pregnancy is too much to bare for my wife. She is physically and emotionally frail, to the point where another child will push her to the brink of death…very probably over the edge…
We found our way here to beg for a way to keep practicing the Faith…the faith we love so dearly and at the same time to save our marriage, which has become heavily burdened under these rules…

The door creaks open and our Priest walks in.

The greetings are pleasant and in hushed tones, as if the chamber itself need not be disturbed by our voices. Maybe it’s just that the silence in the room is so overwhelming that any noise seem too loud.

I put our plea before the priest. Plainly, to the point and clearly outlining our individual scenario.

The priest listens carefully to our situation. Paging through the Catechism he clears his throat and speaks the Vatican’s ruling:

"If NFP does not work for you we find ourselves in a scenario here that has only two solutions.

a) Live like brother and sister, never to be intimate with your beloved again,
b) Your wife will die. Better she dies here, leaving you with the babies all alone, than to face certain and absolute damnation."

It hits us like a brick. There are no exceptions. No loving graces trying to help a couple in dire need. And no way out. We will be sinners now, if we do anything but one of the above two choices. For the rest of our lives, we are caught in the web…
The black and white world, the prominent lines, the lack of loving exceptions to the Catholic rules sends a shiver down my spine.

The reality is driven home like a shattering glass in my head:
Separate from my wife, watch her die or burn in hell together…

This has been brought to you from the inner depths of my heart…where I lock up these emotions and thoughts. From where I shove them when they become too loud in the middle of the night as I lay, quietly, staring out the window.

This is the truth. This is what is in store for Cat7 if she is to follow the Church’s rules to the letter…like we are called to do. This is her fate and the fate of countless other couples…couples who also shove these emotions into that deep well when despair rushes up out of it to meet the light of the waking world…

Yes, I have been hurt by this and Cat7, I feel for you.

PM
 
Hi PM:wave:

Nice to have you back posting here. Did you decide to come back? (to the faith) I remember one of your prior posts saying that you were going to depart from the faith…I’m hopeful that you have come back.🙂
 
Hi PM:wave:

Nice to have you back posting here. Did you decide to come back? (to the faith) I remember one of your prior posts saying that you were going to depart from the faith…I’m hopeful that you have come back.🙂
No, I’m not back in the faith. I just came abck to check on my private messages and saw this poor girl’s thread. I related and posted.

Cheers!
 
PM has a hard situation that many of us have heard and prayed for in the past.

So did Christopher Reeves in how he perceived Church teaching on embryonic stem cells.

So does the couple who finds out that the husband got AIDS from a needle stick and that any further sexual contact will carry significant risk of transmission.

I don’t have the answers for why suffering exists in the world, nor why good people must face brutally hard temptations. I think we’ll all have to ask God about that one someday.

But I do know that God doesn’t place restrictions on us to burden us. When God makes a rule, it is to set us FREE.

When the Church teaches that a marriage in which both partners intend from the beginning to avoid children purposely forever is no real marriage at all, it is not intended to make people feel guilty. The teaching is meant to inform us all that when we feel this way, there is something broken inside of us that needs healing.

It surely is hard when feelings don’t line up with the Faith and the facts. Our culture has largely embraced the idea that feelings are the ultimate guide to behavior. But it isn’t so and that cultural attitude is leading rapidly towards massive societal consequences.

If I were PM in his situation, I’m not sure I could stand it either. But perhaps the reason the BOTH of us would have so much struggle is not some sort of inherent injustice on the part of God to us, but the fact that we both live in a culture obsessed with sex to the point of idolatry. Don’t get me wrong, married sex is not just good, but sacred. But it isn’t heaven itself. Jesus said there will be no marriages in heaven, so there is an intimacy that far transcends the sexual relationship. But it sure is hard to get there while we live here.
 
I don’t want children either, and I just see it as a facet of my personality. I won’t let it stop me from getting married either. I’m not going to give that up just because I’m a little different from the societal norm.
 
I don’t want children either, and I just see it as a facet of my personality. I won’t let it stop me from getting married either. I’m not going to give that up just because I’m a little different from the societal norm.
Your profile doesn’t mention your religion. If you’re Catholic, and plan to get married in the Church, your unwillingness to be open to life will stop you from getting married.

Provided you’re open about this to your priest. Of course, even if you conceal this fact from him, your Heavenly Father will know. 🤷
 
Hi ManualMan. Thanks for that post. I appreciate your thoughts on this.

For me, it brings three things to the forefront that was at the crux of my struggle. I want to share this with you all, not to argue, just to shed some light.
But I do know that God doesn’t place restrictions on us to burden us. When God makes a rule, it is to set us FREE.
I had to ask myself if this is really God making the rule or Men making the rule for God.

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When the Church teaches that a marriage in which both partners intend from the beginning to avoid children purposely forever is no real marriage at all…
If I read scripture…When Jesus spoke of marriage, he said (and I paraphrase) The two will become one flesh. The man will leave his mother and father’s house and live with his wife. He didn’t say anything about kids…
The “Go forth and multiply” command was more in connection with re-populating the earth, rather than for individual marriages…

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But perhaps the reason the BOTH of us would have so much struggle is not some sort of inherent injustice on the part of God to us, but the fact that we both live in a culture obsessed with sex to the point of idolatry. Don’t get me wrong, married sex is not just good, but sacred. But it isn’t heaven itself. Jesus said there will be no marriages in heaven, so there is an intimacy that far transcends the sexual relationship. But it sure is hard to get there while we live here.
With respect, I disagree slightly here. You made the distinction above here between worldly sex and marital sex. We are speaking of marital sex. In Good, Christian marital sex, it’s rarely obsessive…it’s truly about loving and sharing, uniting of souls.
And yes, Marital Sex is sacred, and that’s why I can’t reconcile the teachings with how Jesus intended things…

I know my thoughts are not inline with this board so I won’t write too much here, but thanks for the opportunity.

PM.
 
Your profile doesn’t mention your religion. If you’re Catholic, and plan to get married in the Church, your unwillingness to be open to life will stop you from getting married.

Provided you’re open about this to your priest. Of course, even if you conceal this fact from him, your Heavenly Father will know. 🤷
I’m not really Catholic. I do not adhere to all the beliefs, and out of respect for Catholics I won’t say that I’m an outright Catholic on here.
 
I don’t want children either, and I just see it as a facet of my personality. I won’t let it stop me from getting married either. I’m not going to give that up just because I’m a little different from the societal norm.
Yeah agreed here though you should have seen the look on my dads face when I told him last week I wasn;t having kids ever. He was like why!? I just told him the short answer I just donlt want them lol.

That being said though I think the oping is Catholic and unfortunately is seems that the Catholic teaching is that not wanting children and still getting married and then following through said want is wrong. And sadly like Pennitman pointed out there isn;t really much if any leeway in the rules.

Other then total marital abstinence it seems your other choice is to use nfp and have kids. I guess it comes down to the choice of which idea do you hate the least have a sexless marriage and living like brother and sister , or having kids. Of course the above would be assuming you want to adher to Catholic teachings.
 
If I read scripture…When Jesus spoke of marriage, he said (and I paraphrase) The two will become one flesh. The man will leave his mother and father’s house and live with his wife. He didn’t say anything about kids…
The “Go forth and multiply” command was more in connection with re-populating the earth, rather than for individual marriages…
a) God first said it in Genesis 1, at which point there WAS only one individual marriage and one individual human couple in existence. So it certainly applies to each individual couple. Jesus said nothing that superseded or did away with the command of Genesis or with Jewish understanding of it which was similar to the Catholic.

b) Populating the earth? Still a relevant consideration. You are aware, are you not, that birth rates are in a sharp decline right across the Western world? We are NOT keeping up our population levels, let alone increasing them.
 
a) God first said it in Genesis 1, at which point there WAS only one individual marriage and one individual human couple in existence. So it certainly applies to each individual couple. Jesus said nothing that superseded or did away with the command of Genesis or with Jewish understanding of it which was similar to the Catholic.

b) Populating the earth? Still a relevant consideration. You are aware, are you not, that birth rates are in a sharp decline right across the Western world? We are NOT keeping up our population levels, let alone increasing them.
Your point number one still doesn;t really make sense to me. I mean I dontl get them being the only couple on earth equals what he said then now applies to us all still now. Not to mention didn;t he say it again to Noah after the flood? To me it seems far more logical that he didnt want the human race to die out.

As for the population yeah birth rates are low but there is no danger of the human race dying out anytime soon. There is close to 7 billion us on and it is still rising I wouldn;t worry about population decline too much.
 
Your point number one still doesn;t really make sense to me. I mean I dontl get them being the only couple on earth equals what he said then now applies to us all still now. Not to mention didn;t he say it again to Noah after the flood? To me it seems far more logical that he didnt want the human race to die out.

As for the population yeah birth rates are low but there is no danger of the human race dying out anytime soon. There is close to 7 billion us on and it is still rising I wouldn;t worry about population decline too much.
It’s nothing to do in the slightest with the survival of the human species.

Jews (who certainly understood the OT which they studied intensively for a long time before Christians even appeared on the scene) understood it to mean that they in particular as a nation (or race if you will) had a duty to maintain their population so that they were strong as opposed to the pagan nations which surrounded them.

The duty was to do their part in fulfilling God’s promise to Abraham, His promise that the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (first Jews, then Christians) were themselves to be a great nation.

When you look at the world today, how can we say Jews and Christians are still a great people when it is other nations - Muslims and non-Christian (pagan) Asians primarily - that are increasing while we are declining at a frightening speed?
 
It’s nothing to do in the slightest with the survival of the human species.

Jews (who certainly understood the OT which they studied intensively for a long time before Christians even appeared on the scene) understood it to mean that they in particular as a nation (or race if you will) had a duty to maintain their population so that they were strong as opposed to the pagan nations which surrounded them.

The duty was to do their part in fulfilling God’s promise to Abraham, His promise that the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (first Jews, then Christians) were themselves to be a great nation.

When you look at the world today, how can we say Jews and Christians are still a great people when it is other nations - Muslims and non-Christian (pagan) Asians primarily - that are increasing while we are declining at a frightening speed?
Well really what it comes down to is the tiny itty bitty number of married people married christian especially that decide to not have kids will have little to no effect on that either. Personally I am not worried in the least though. Christians still make up a huge part of the world far more the Jews did back in ancient history when correct me if I am wrong they were in a firm minority.
 
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