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pnewton
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No thanks and pass the steak sauce.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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I prefer dry rub myself.
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mapleoak
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Actually a farm is a business, pure and simple. No profit, no farm. One of the by-products of the family farm is that a family can typically produce and consume a portion of their own goods. This differs from the hobby farm in that a hobby farm has no interest in profit and its sole purpose is either fun or for providing ones own food or clothing to an extent. Although many hobby farms do provide supplemental income from time to time, its existence is usually not dependent on that.
Most huge corporations are not in violation of the provisions of the environmental laws and are quite pro-active in ensuring that regulations are met for licensing requirements. These get audited periodically.
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jfallaw
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Excuse me? Americans waste more food than they eat! There is plenty of food on this planet to go around three times over! The problem is agribusiness. They seek to maximize profits and yield by polluting God’s earth, genetically modifying God’s food plants, and running people TO the verge of starvation by crowding out or swallowing whole family farms, alot of which are run by good people who do alot for their communities. I guarantee the agrifarms won’t do any charitable works if they don’t see themselves profiting from it. And I’m not gonna even get into the whole ‘free trade’ thing. Oh and who the hell do you think you are implying I don’t care about starving people, Jack? I was homeless for nearly ten years, don’t you DARE! DON’T YOU DARE!!!
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jfallaw
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whatever. some random comment.
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jfallaw
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i understand that without the profit motive there would be no point, but i said less of a profit motive for family farms, exactly because they can enjoy the fruits of their labor as well as profit from it.
Most huge corporations are not in violation of the provisions of the environmental laws and are quite pro-active in ensuring that regulations are met for licensing requirements. These get audited periodically.
Really? All I ever hear about is the sleazy corporations killing the planet. Can you give an example of some companies that closely follow the laws? I have no problem with a company like that. But obviously I have a huge problem with corporations in general. I think it’s kinda anti-Christian.
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mapleoak
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That is because the media is agenda driven and biased. Depends what your sources for the information you get are.
I can give an endless list of examples of companies that comply with environmental legislation. The media reports news of interest as well as that which will support its agenda. One technique they use is “Cherry pick and brand”. This is how they can villify all corporations based on companies that don’t comply with current legislation (these companies will either have to come into compliance, have a plan for attaining compliance, or have their operating licensces revoked. They also have to pay hefty fines for non-compliance.) To take a couple of media examples of ‘sleazy corporations’ and brand all or most corporations as being likewise is the wrong conclusion.
Here are a couple of examples of corporations that are not only in compliance with environmental legislation, but go above and beyond that:
usa.siemens.com/en/home/environmental_care.htm
nisuscorp.com/boracare.html
chevron.com/globalissues/environment/default.aspx
microcare.com/
Now can you give some examples of companies that are not in compliance with environmental legislation?
Unfounded bias for or against something cannot stand on its own merit, but needs to be supported.
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jfallaw
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wow thanks i will check that out more closely, and try to find other forms of media to get a more balanced outlook. as far as corporations seeming anti-Christian, I guess that’s not a good way to put it. It just seems that the idea of ‘incorporation’, while it works well for the Church, should not work for businesses. It labels a group of people as a single legal ‘person’ and makes it almost impossible for ordinary men and women to stand up to those companies that do make their living off of being meanies and polluters, and ripping people off. People will do alot for money, I know personally. I know a guy that stabbed his best friend in the back over about $3. These companies make BILLIONS of dollars. What do you think they would do to protect that? Also, if you are injured by a company’s product or service, you cannot seek reparation from the person/persons responsible (i.e, those supposedly in charge) but rather have to sue a ‘person’ made up of hundreds or thousands of people, and billions of dollars to spend making sure you don’t touch them or their precious reputations. You will probably just end up even worse off than when you started.
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ribozyme
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Well, I will provide one counterexample. Merck had to apportion about one billion dollars because of rofecoxib related damage. It is possible (probably not easy) to be properly recompensed for damages though.
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ribozyme
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jfallaw
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I agree I sometimes companies are very responsible and readily admit mistakes and strive to provide just recompense. But I’m sure these are few and far between. One company that seems really cool is Chick-Fil-A, or however you spell it. The founder was Christian and tried to run his company like one. They still will not open on the Sabbath so that no employee is forced to work that day.
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ribozyme
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Again, you can also point out the opposite; for example, Lilly withheld some information about olanzapine and its link with diabetes.
nytimes.com/2006/12/17/business/17drug.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Oh, here we go again: the tireless screed of the left.
Feeding the world is evil, as long as there’s agribusiness involved. George Bush caused global warming. We have to save Gaia!
God have mercy on your soul.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Oh, and good luck saving your precious Gaia if all you admit to be ‘good’ is a bunch of prehistoric savages shivering around a smoking fire.
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ribozyme
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Well, George W. Bush’s legacy is giving tax breaks to people who can write checks for $500,000 for cars (I hope you know the reference to that).
Well, Monsanto did sue someone for cultivating genetically modified canola that had accidently landed on his farm.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Go ahead and worship Gaia until you’re blue in the face (perhaps that’s what happened to the Druids).
Just don’t expect the rest of us to fall into lockstep with your backward ideologies.
And just FYI—the AVERAGE donation to the Republican Party ranges from $20-50. Whereas the AVERAGE donation to the Democrat party (Chinese slush funds included) is more like in the thousands.
What does your blind Bushate syndrome have to do with the original post?
Just don’t expect the rest of us to fall into lockstep with your backward ideologies.
And just FYI—the AVERAGE donation to the Republican Party ranges from $20-50. Whereas the AVERAGE donation to the Democrat party (Chinese slush funds included) is more like in the thousands.
What does your blind Bushate syndrome have to do with the original post?
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ribozyme
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You did mention “agribusiness” so I thought it would be relevant to mention Monsanto. And you did mention Bush first. Maybe there is a Bush version for Goodwin’s law.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Do you support forced sterilization, abortion, OR primitive farming practices to decrease ‘the surplus population?’
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ribozyme
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No, because it is possible to inculcate a population that has a low birth rate without recourse to sterilization. How do we create more Hikikomori? That’s the real question.
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