Having Saints is biblical and acceptable for God

[WarriorofJesus]

18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Ephesians 6:18-19

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

We need to pray with the heart and ask the intecessiones and help of Saints. It is not required to be praying for Saints or ask them a favor, but we should always be in harmony with each other because they are already in heaven and wish to help and guide us towards Jesus Christ. In conclusion, having Saints and praying to them is biblical.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

It says to be interceding for everyone and giving prayers to people of all kinds. In other words, its all right if we intercede for someone even though we might not be in heaven. Praying for someone else is interceding before God. In conclusion, praying for Saints is biblical.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Hebrews 6:10

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

We have ministered Saints and we still do. In other words its ok to minister saints as long as they are sent forth by God the Almighty or Jesus Christ.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:20

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

Who are the ones who are send by God? The Angels and the Saints. So it’s ok to believe in them and recieve them as long as they come in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Poetess_Kera]

 

[Claire_from_DE]

WarriorofJesus,

Having saints is biblical and acceptable to God but the bible verses you quote have nothing to do with the saints in heaven. St. Paul uses the term ‘saints’ to mean the Christians he was writing to, not people who have died. You would do better to look in the book of Revelation at the part where the saints offer the prayers of the people on earth.

We can pray to the saints because we believe in the ‘communion of saints’ which means the union of the church militant (us on earth), the church suffering (souls in purgatory), and the church victorious (saints in heaven). Therefore we can pray for one another. We can offer intercessions for those in purgatory and the saints in heaven can pray for us.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:20

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

Who are the ones who are send by God? The Angels and the Saints. So it’s ok to believe in them and recieve them as long as they come in the name of Jesus Christ.

Here Jesus is saying that receiving the Apostles and the others who spread the gospel is the same as receiving Jesus himself. And when we receive Jesus, we receive the Father who sent him.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Hebrews 6:10

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

We have ministered Saints and we still do. In other words its ok to minister saints as long as they are sent forth by God the Almighty or Jesus Christ.

Paul is praising the Hebrews who have cared for others within the church. To minister to someone is to care for or serve them.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

It says to be interceding for everyone and giving prayers to people of all kinds. In other words, its all right if we intercede for someone even though we might not be in heaven. Praying for someone else is interceding before God. In conclusion, praying for Saints is biblical.

Exactly, praying for the saints (other Christians) is biblical. Timothy is not talking about praying to the saints in heaven.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all ***perseverance and supplication for ***all saints;

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Ephesians 6:18-19

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

We need to pray with the heart and ask the intecessiones and help of Saints. It is not required to be praying for Saints or ask them a favor, but we should always be in harmony with each other because they are already in heaven and wish to help and guide us towards Jesus Christ. In conclusion, having Saints and praying to them is biblical.

Again, what you are saying is true. But that is not what the bible quote from Ephesians is talking about.

I wonder if English is your native language? You are confusing the words ‘to’ and ‘for’. I’m sorry that I seem to be criticizing you. I just would not want you to use this quote to show that it is biblical to pray to saints.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

WarriorofJesus,

Having saints is biblical and acceptable to God but the bible verses you quote have nothing to do with the saints in heaven. St. Paul uses the term ‘saints’ to mean the Christians he was writing to, not people who have died. You would do better to look in the book of Revelation at the part where the saints offer the prayers of the people on earth.

We can pray to the saints because we believe in the ‘communion of saints’ which means the union of the church militant (us on earth), the church suffering (souls in purgatory), and the church victorious (saints in heaven). Therefore we can pray for one another. We can offer intercessions for those in purgatory and the saints in heaven can pray for us.

Some of it does have to do with the Saints that are in heaven if you think more clearly, analize and critically think about it. I do know that he was writing to the Saints or Christians that were still alive but i suppose they remained being Saints once they died? They couldn’t have just died and not be Saints anymore.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

Here Jesus is saying that receiving the Apostles and the others who spread the gospel is the same as receiving Jesus himself. And when we receive Jesus, we receive the Father who sent him.

Pardon me but that has nothing to do with what the bible passage is saying. In the passage, Jesus was talking to his apostles about things and teaching them because they were close for Jesus to have been crucified. In other words, they were at the last feast where Jesus Chirst washes the feet of his Apostles and says to drink his blood and flesh. They weren’t even close to have been spreading the gospel yet. Anyone that Jesus sends towards someone for any purpose such as giving them the chance let notice of and guide them to Jesus is automatically recieving Jesus and his Father. In conlusion I do not understand how you exclude the idea of recieving saints means to recieve Jesus Christ if the Apostles themselves are Saints.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

Paul is praising the Hebrews who have cared for others within the church. To minister to someone is to care for or serve them.

Yes, I am aware of that. I wouldn’t doubt that those same people back in those days are still doing it today. I would rather think that they are still caring for others within the church but in a differently manner. They can now intercede and pray for us and have a better opportunity in helping us more directly. To minister someone is to care for or serve them is exactly where I want to get to. The Holy Spirit predicted that we would still minister Saints now in days that are being brought forth by Jesus Christ in order to help us achieve purity and get to experience the love that Jesus has for us all. If we minister saints then we are serving them. In order to serve them, you must have communication with them and let them know of circumstances that are happening. It wouldn’t make sense to have that bible passage and not have people ministering saints now in days. It would be concluding that the Holy Spirit changed its mind or is lying.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:20

Interesting fact about biblical passage:

Who are the ones who are send by God? The Angels and the Saints. So it’s ok to believe in them and recieve them as long as they come in the name of Jesus Christ.

Here is the entire passage. As you can see, it has nothing whatever to do about praying to the saints. If anything, Jesus is talking about sending the apostles into the world. He says they should do what he did. The Father sent Jesus. Jesus sent the apostles as his messengers.

Actually, it’s hard to figure out why Jesus says this here or why the gospel writer puts this statement here. But, in any case, the only people he has told to do anything in this passage are the apostles.

12When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13"You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
**Jesus Predicts His Betrayal **

18"I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the scripture: ‘He who shares my bread has lifted up his heel against me.’**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+13&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26638b”)] 19"I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am He. 20I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me."
21After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me.”
22His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. 24Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, “Ask him which one he means.”
25Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, “Lord, who is it?”
26Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

Exactly, praying for the saints (other Christians) is biblical. Timothy is not talking about praying to the saints in heaven.

You kind of went off topic. The bible passage says to make intercessiones for every single man or christian. I am sure that the people or christians that died knowing this bible passage or having knowledge of it would still be interceding for people now in days. You can still pray for the saints that are in heaven. Pray for them so that they can accomplish their intentions towards us and help other people around the world.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

Again, what you are saying is true. But that is not what the bible quote from Ephesians is talking about.

I wonder if English is your native language? You are confusing the words ‘to’ and ‘for’. I’m sorry that I seem to be criticizing you. I just would not want you to use this quote to show that it is biblical to pray to saints.

I would adivse that you analize it more carefully. My native language is not english and it’s actually spanish to be honest with you. Well, if you are criticizing me then that means you have very little patience and tend to judge very quickly. Those are characteristics that no christian would want because that just demonstrates that you can easily hate another person. You can pray for the saints that are in heaven because they still have intentions towerds human kind and wish to help them to get to know Jesus Christ and achieve salvation. That would be like helping them and giving them prayers that they can offer to the Lord God so that everything can go out smoothly and things get accomplished down here on earth. In other words, pray for the other christians that are in Earth and then once they die, continue to pray for them once they are in heaven. Continue to help them because we will always need help in our lives no matter what our missiones or goals are in the future.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Yes, I am aware of that. I wouldn’t doubt that those same people back in those days are still doing it today. I would rather think that they are still caring for others within the church but in a differently manner. They can now intercede and pray for us and have a better opportunity in helping us more directly. To minister someone is to care for or serve them is exactly where I want to get to. The Holy Spirit predicted that we would still minister Saints now in days that are being brought forth by Jesus Christ in order to help us achieve purity and get to experience the love that Jesus has for us all. If we minister saints then we are serving them. In order to serve them, you must have communication with them and let them know of circumstances that are happening. It wouldn’t make sense to have that bible passage and not have people ministering saints now in days. It would be concluding that the Holy Spirit changed its mind or is lying.

The quote is about ministering to the saints. The word “saints” as it is used there does not mean people who have died and are in heaven. It means the needy people in the church. Today we still minister to the ‘saints’, who are those in need in the church.

Those Hebrews who Paul was writing to and who are now “Saints” in heaven probably do pray for us on earth. So, in a sense, they may now minister to us. But this passage isn’t talking about that at all.

You say: “If we minister saints then we are serving them.” In English, this sentence does not have any meaning. If you intend to say “If we minister to saints then we are serving them” the sentence does have a meaning. It means “if we take care of the needs of saints we are serving them”. But we do not take care of the needs of the saints in heaven, they do not have any needs. That is why I asked if English is your native language.

I am agreeing with what you say about the saints in heaven helping us and we need to communicate with them. That is true. You are right about that.

But the bible quote you are using to support or prove your point does not do so. If you tell this quote to a protestant who knows the bible and you try to use it to prove we are able to pray to saints in heaven, he will tell you that you are wrong. He would be correct that the quote you use does not prove that.

I think you would find the book Where Is That in the Bible? by Patrick Madrid to be very helpful. It shows where to find bible support for many Catholic doctrines.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

The quote is about ministering to the saints. The word “saints” as it is used there does not mean people who have died and are in heaven. It means the needy people in the church. Today we still minister to the ‘saints’, who are those in need in the church.

Those Hebrews who Paul was writing to and who are now “Saints” in heaven probably do pray for us on earth. So, in a sense, they may now minister to us. But this passage isn’t talking about that at all.

You say: “If we minister saints then we are serving them.” In English, this sentence does not have any meaning. If you intend to say “If we minister to saints then we are serving them” the sentence does have a meaning. It means “if we take care of the needs of saints we are serving them”. But we do not take care of the needs of the saints in heaven, they do not have any needs. That is why I asked if English is your native language.

I am agreeing with what you say about the saints in heaven helping us and we need to communicate with them. That is true. You are right about that.

But the bible quote you are using to support or prove your point does not do so. If you tell this quote to a protestant who knows the bible and you try to use it to prove we are able to pray to saints in heaven, he will tell you that you are wrong. He would be correct that the quote you use does not prove that.

I think you would find the book Where Is That in the Bible? by Patrick Madrid to be very helpful. It shows where to find bible support for many Catholic doctrines.

Thank you very much for your corrections. I’ve now learned more and gained more knowledge . Well, this whole bible stuff can become tricky if it is not analized and studied correctly. No wonder people are easily fooled by the protestants.

I will take into consideration everything you have told me and thanks again. May God bless you.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I would adivse that you analyze it more carefully. My native language is not english and it’s actually spanish to be honest with you. Well, if you are criticizing me then that means you have very little patience and tend to judge very quickly. Those are characteristics that no christian would want because that just demonstrates that you can easily hate another person. You can pray for the saints that are in heaven because they still have intentions towards human kind and wish to help them to get to know Jesus Christ and achieve salvation. That would be like helping them and giving them prayers that they can offer to the Lord God so that everything can go out smoothly and things get accomplished down here on earth. In other words, pray for the other christians that are in Earth and then once they die, continue to pray for them once they are in heaven. Continue to help them because we will always need help in our lives no matter what our missiones or goals are in the future.

Hmmm… That’s a very interesting way of looking at it. Since the saints are in heaven with God I assumed that God directly gives them all that they need to accomplish what they wish to accomplish on earth. But I think you are right. For example, Mary asks us to pray the rosary for peace, for the conversion of Russia, etc. So she is asking for our prayers and help. Or at least she is inviting us to join our prayers to her prayers so that God’s will might be done.