Having Trouble Forgiving

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I know I should forgive - I can tell myself I’ve forgiven - but deep down, I still can’t shake off feeling bitter and angry, even though I pray that I can lose these feelings.

Here’s what happened:

My brother and I have elderly parents, neither of whom is in especially good health. My mother’s health in particular has been going steadily downhill for the past couple of years, exacerbated by the fact that she is rapidly losing her eyesight and this has lead to her being much less active than in the past - so it’s like a downward spiral of less muscle tone, less brain exercise and increasing lethargy, depression and isolation.

I’ve done all I can to help. I’ve researched activities she can do (she used to love reading) and I visit when I can (nearly every day at the moment) I cook meals for them and bring them round and most importantly, just sit with her and chat to her. I’m also just about the only person my father really opens up to and he’s bearing the brunt of mother’s problems because she takes her frustration out on him and he’s doing his best, but all his support is practical, rather than emotional. She admits to me how much she values what he does for her, but she’s not so good at telling him! (and he’s not great at accepting compliments!!!)

Anyway, a few weeks ago, my nephew developed a hacking cough and became listless and pale. My parents urged my brother to take him to the GP because it just didn’t go away and it showed all the signs of being a full-blown chest infection, rather than an ordinary cold. My brother just shrugged off their concerns.

Despite this, as it is the long summer school holidays, my nephew has been sent round to his grandparents’ home on a regular basis. His own mother is at home; there are numerous play-schemes and summer holiday activities available for children his age (many are free too) but these haven’t even been investigated (I asked)

Well, the inevitable has happened and my mother ended up making a trip to hospital after a dizzy spell and a fall. She has a severe chest infection that shows no signs of going away and she is getting weaker and more depressed. She’s had spells before when illness has got her down, but for some reason, this time, I just can’t help feeling that this is one she might not be able to fight off: she is just so weak.

It’s great that my nephew lives so close to his grandparents and they are one of the few areas of stability in his life. I know they enjoy his company, but they are agreeing to take him so often because his own home life is so unpleasant and responsibility for addressing that lies with his parents.

It’s like a catch-22. My parents want to do all they can for their grandson while they (just about) can, but the more they do this, the more his actual parents can avoid addressing the real issues.

I’m sure (this being CAF after all :rolleyes:) someone will pop up to ask what I’m doing to help and the answer is ‘as much as I am able and more!’ I’m making use of my company’s flexi-hours and falling behind with work; our home is a mess; I’m exhausted (I’ve spent so much time round there helping I’ve caught the chest infection too, but nowhere near as bad as mum) and I’ve booked off several days to take my nephew out, which will basically mean I will have to forfeit my regular weekly sports activities for a while to catch up.

DH is being brilliant, but he’s feeling the strain too because right now, I am just exhausted and terrified and trying so hard to control my anger - what possesses parents to fail to take a sick child to the doctor and send him to stay with frail grandparents instead?
 
Rose, God bless you for all that you do for your parents, and for your concern for your nephew’s stability and happiness.
I’m sad for the difficulties you mention, and that your brother and sister-in-law view things very differently.
It’s not surprising that you feel frustrated and unhappy, seeing all the issues and problems, and knowing you and your Dad do your best to help, but some other crucial family members don’t seem to have the same sense of family responsibility.
I’ll pray for the members of your family, and hope you take enough care of yourself also…

Warm regards, Trishie
 
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
 
I know I should forgive - I can tell myself I’ve forgiven - but deep down, I still can’t shake off feeling bitter and angry, even though I pray that I can lose these feelings.

Here’s what happened:

My brother and I have elderly parents, neither of whom is in especially good health. My mother’s health in particular has been going steadily downhill for the past couple of years, exacerbated by the fact that she is rapidly losing her eyesight and this has lead to her being much less active than in the past - so it’s like a downward spiral of less muscle tone, less brain exercise and increasing lethargy, depression and isolation.

I’ve done all I can to help. I’ve researched activities she can do (she used to love reading) and I visit when I can (nearly every day at the moment) I cook meals for them and bring them round and most importantly, just sit with her and chat to her. I’m also just about the only person my father really opens up to and he’s bearing the brunt of mother’s problems because she takes her frustration out on him and he’s doing his best, but all his support is practical, rather than emotional. She admits to me how much she values what he does for her, but she’s not so good at telling him! (and he’s not great at accepting compliments!!!)

Anyway, a few weeks ago, my nephew developed a hacking cough and became listless and pale. My parents urged my brother to take him to the GP because it just didn’t go away and it showed all the signs of being a full-blown chest infection, rather than an ordinary cold. My brother just shrugged off their concerns.

Despite this, as it is the long summer school holidays, my nephew has been sent round to his grandparents’ home on a regular basis. His own mother is at home; there are numerous play-schemes and summer holiday activities available for children his age (many are free too) but these haven’t even been investigated (I asked)

Well, the inevitable has happened and my mother ended up making a trip to hospital after a dizzy spell and a fall. She has a severe chest infection that shows no signs of going away and she is getting weaker and more depressed. She’s had spells before when illness has got her down, but for some reason, this time, I just can’t help feeling that this is one she might not be able to fight off: she is just so weak.

It’s great that my nephew lives so close to his grandparents and they are one of the few areas of stability in his life. I know they enjoy his company, but they are agreeing to take him so often because his own home life is so unpleasant and responsibility for addressing that lies with his parents.

It’s like a catch-22. My parents want to do all they can for their grandson while they (just about) can, but the more they do this, the more his actual parents can avoid addressing the real issues.

I’m sure (this being CAF after all :rolleyes:) someone will pop up to ask what I’m doing to help and the answer is ‘as much as I am able and more!’ I’m making use of my company’s flexi-hours and falling behind with work; our home is a mess; I’m exhausted (I’ve spent so much time round there helping I’ve caught the chest infection too, but nowhere near as bad as mum) and I’ve booked off several days to take my nephew out, which will basically mean I will have to forfeit my regular weekly sports activities for a while to catch up.

DH is being brilliant, but he’s feeling the strain too because right now, I am just exhausted and terrified and trying so hard to control my anger - what possesses parents to fail to take a sick child to the doctor and send him to stay with frail grandparents instead?
Yes, your nephew’s parents are being terrible.

The good news (which there isn’t a lot of here) is that your nephew will be in school soon.

I think you need to be a bit more cautious about protecting your flexi-hours and your job (and I believe you have a new baby, too?). If anything, it sounds like you’re doing way too much and putting your own household in danger.

Are your parents getting all of the outside help they are entitled to/can afford?

(This is a small point, but can you get some books on tape or podcasts for your mom? At least in the US, public libraries have lots of books on tape.)

I have two main suggestions:
  1. Plan the holidays carefully and explain your plans well in advance, because you could all be flattened by the holidays if you don’t plan carefully and keep things moderate.
  2. Maybe be a bit of a busybody late next spring with regard to summer programs for nephew? Come round with a schedule all worked out for nephew that they just need to sign off on–use a bit of the energy you are exerting to help your parents to strong-arm your brother into not being a burden on your parents. Also, feel free to lay a big guilt trip on your brother about the chest infection and how “we” need to make sure that doesn’t happen again, as one good cold is all it takes to finish off frail older people.
I realize that the this is not exactly super polite behavior and it may do no good at all–but a) I don’t think your brother is going to understand polite and b) it will do you a lot of good to speak plainly.

Don’t be mean or yell, just be very clear and brief and tell it like it is. “Brother, nephew needs to have planned summer activities next year because mom and dad are getting to be very frail. You and I can’t lean on mom and dad anymore. At this point, we primarily need to help mom and dad, not ask mom and dad for help.”

I am sorry you have to deal with this.
 
I know I should forgive - I can tell myself I’ve forgiven - but deep down, I still can’t shake off feeling bitter and angry, even though I pray that I can lose these feelings.

Here’s what happened:

My brother and I have elderly parents, neither of whom is in especially good health. My mother’s health in particular has been going steadily downhill for the past couple of years, exacerbated by the fact that she is rapidly losing her eyesight and this has lead to her being much less active than in the past - so it’s like a downward spiral of less muscle tone, less brain exercise and increasing lethargy, depression and isolation.

I’ve done all I can to help. I’ve researched activities she can do (she used to love reading) and I visit when I can (nearly every day at the moment) I cook meals for them and bring them round and most importantly, just sit with her and chat to her. I’m also just about the only person my father really opens up to and he’s bearing the brunt of mother’s problems because she takes her frustration out on him and he’s doing his best, but all his support is practical, rather than emotional. She admits to me how much she values what he does for her, but she’s not so good at telling him! (and he’s not great at accepting compliments!!!)

Anyway, a few weeks ago, my nephew developed a hacking cough and became listless and pale. My parents urged my brother to take him to the GP because it just didn’t go away and it showed all the signs of being a full-blown chest infection, rather than an ordinary cold. My brother just shrugged off their concerns.

Despite this, as it is the long summer school holidays, my nephew has been sent round to his grandparents’ home on a regular basis. His own mother is at home; there are numerous play-schemes and summer holiday activities available for children his age (many are free too) but these haven’t even been investigated (I asked)

Well, the inevitable has happened and my mother ended up making a trip to hospital after a dizzy spell and a fall. She has a severe chest infection that shows no signs of going away and she is getting weaker and more depressed. She’s had spells before when illness has got her down, but for some reason, this time, I just can’t help feeling that this is one she might not be able to fight off: she is just so weak.

It’s great that my nephew lives so close to his grandparents and they are one of the few areas of stability in his life. I know they enjoy his company, but they are agreeing to take him so often because his own home life is so unpleasant and responsibility for addressing that lies with his parents.

It’s like a catch-22. My parents want to do all they can for their grandson while they (just about) can, but the more they do this, the more his actual parents can avoid addressing the real issues.

I’m sure (this being CAF after all :rolleyes:) someone will pop up to ask what I’m doing to help and the answer is ‘as much as I am able and more!’ I’m making use of my company’s flexi-hours and falling behind with work; our home is a mess; I’m exhausted (I’ve spent so much time round there helping I’ve caught the chest infection too, but nowhere near as bad as mum) and I’ve booked off several days to take my nephew out, which will basically mean I will have to forfeit my regular weekly sports activities for a while to catch up.

DH is being brilliant, but he’s feeling the strain too because right now, I am just exhausted and terrified and trying so hard to control my anger - what possesses parents to fail to take a sick child to the doctor and send him to stay with frail grandparents instead?
Hi, Rose!

…heard of family meeting and family intervention?

I once experience a person tell the other parent not to take the ill child to the doctor because it would cost money.

This could be the reason why your brother and his wife are shunning their responsibility; I’m not sure if it is considered child endangerment, but I would look up the issue with social services and on-line; you could also get all the particular information (SS #'s, Insurance, employment info) and advise them that if they do not own up to their responsibility you will (take your nephew to the emergency room).

Now, a reality check: what would happen if you lose your job? Does your husband make enough to support you and your family? This is a reality that you should bring up in a family meeting/intervention; you cannot care for your elderly parents and take care of your brother’s child, and keep both houses (yours and your parents).

Have you considered hiring outside help (both you and your brother contributing financially)? There are many Latino ladies that are here in the US, legally, and they have so much love to give (being away from their loved ones) that caring for the elderly, even when they are not their parents/grandparents, affords them the ability to care for those in need (it is as if they were caring for their loved ones–only by proxy).

…and what about the government’s senior citizen’s outreach? There are centers that can help you–like a seniors club; where they can get involved in activities with other people their age…

I’ll keep you in my prayers.

Forgiveness is tough, specially when the grievance is constant and the assailing party does not accept responsibility for the pain and suffering he/she is causing.

My heart goes to you–I took care of mom till she died without as much as a “good day, Angel” from any family member.

It is tough, taxing, and exhausting… but God will give you the strength!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
As much as I am sorry for all that you go through, I don’t think you will EVER find forgiveness until you find boundaries first. The reason one adultchild gets stuck always helping elderly parents and all the nieces and nephews is because they have a reputation of always saying ‘yes’.

I can just hear you saying to me ‘But Angie, if I don’t do it no one will’. Sadly, you will either have to live with ‘no one will do it’ or just keep getting burned

I really wish I knew of a softer way to have said that
 
As much as I am sorry for all that you go through, I don’t think you will EVER find forgiveness until you find boundaries first. The reason one adultchild gets stuck always helping elderly parents and all the nieces and nephews is because they have a reputation of always saying ‘yes’.

I can just hear you saying to me ‘But Angie, if I don’t do it no one will’. Sadly, you will either have to live with ‘no one will do it’ or just keep getting burned

I really wish I knew of a softer way to have said that
Hi!

It could also be that others refuse to take on the responsibility.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Thanks everyone - for your kind words and prayers.

Don’t worry Angelwannabe - I’m not at all offended 🙂 and I do get what you’re saying. There’s no chance of me losing my job - although I may choose to reduce my hours at some time in the future. DH and I have discussed it and we’d rather tighten our belts a little and know we’re doing right by my family and that’s our choice. I have set pretty firm boundaries with my brother and his family: I refuse to do any child care during weekdays and limit the days I take my nephew out on day trips. I’m not responsible for my parents saying ‘yes’ (in my opinion - too often, but I’ve told them what I think and we agree to disagree on it)

I’m hoping mother will pull through and this could be a blessing in disguise, because the penny may finally drop with brother and family that grandparents are not indestructible!
 
As much as I am sorry for all that you go through, I don’t think you will EVER find forgiveness until you find boundaries first. The reason one adultchild gets stuck always helping elderly parents and all the nieces and nephews is because they have a reputation of always saying ‘yes’.

I can just hear you saying to me ‘But Angie, if I don’t do it no one will’. Sadly, you will either have to live with ‘no one will do it’ or just keep getting burned

I really wish I knew of a softer way to have said that
Hi Angie,

I wanted to jump in and say that things can be much more complicated than it seems, when it comes to families and care-giving, as I speak from my own personal experiences.

It may not even be about setting boundaries and about someone always saying “yes.”

It’s more like Angel says in her post, where other family members will actually refuse to step up to help with the care-giving, so that if someone doesn’t step up in the family, those infirm or elderly family member/s won’t have anyone in the family who will be willing to take care of them.

That sadly has been my own personal experience, too.
 
It’s more like Angel says in her post, where** other family members will actually refuse to step up **to help with the care-giving, so that if someone doesn’t step up in the family, those infirm or elderly family member/s won’t have anyone in the family who will be willing to take care of them.
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I don’t dispute for a minute that this actually happens quite often. I am simply saying that if the same person is always willing to set up, there is no motive for others to help out. And I agree it is a very hard decision. But it doesn’t change the fact that there are times when someone is exhausted and they have to say ‘no’

I guess the point I am trying to make is when someone posts that they are having trouble forgiving, IMO it is because they are doing too much

Angie
 
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