HBO - The Young Pope

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To be honest I really don’t think most followers of this forum/thread really care how it ended but that it ended, to be reminded of the past and the implication that homosexuality and corruption still might be intertwine in the beautiful mental concept/thought that brings them so much satisfaction has to disturb the sensibilities. To bad (for me) you didn’t get anything out of it because now I can’t think of anything else to say. PS. You say it has been renewed, interesting, I hope it doesn’t go the way of Ann Rice books for me where she lost her ability compete her thought. They renewed Vinvl as well but…
 
Tmac7425 said:
To be honest I really don’t think most followers of this forum/thread really care how it ended but that it ended, to be reminded of the past and the implication that homosexuality and corruption still might be intertwine in the beautiful mental concept/thought that brings them so much satisfaction has to disturb the sensibilities. To bad (for me) you didn’t get anything out of it because now I can’t think of anything else to say. PS. You say it has been renewed, interesting, I hope it doesn’t go the way of Ann Rice books for me where she lost her ability compete her thought. They renewed Vinvl as well but…
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You’ve been here a grand total of one month. I’d suggest being more reticent to make assumptions about what people here care about.

I also didn’t say I “didn’t get anything out of it,” so I’m not sure why you’ve made that assumption either.

Finally, I have no idea what “to be reminded of the past and the implication that homosexuality and corruption still might be intertwine in the beautiful mental concept/thought that brings them so much satisfaction” means.
 
Wow, your dialogue seems to come right out of this mini-series. I’m sorry but you are too angry for me to enjoy anymore discourse.
 
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Wow, your dialogue seems to come right out of this mini-series. I’m sorry but you are too angry for me to enjoy anymore discourse.
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There is no anger here. I’m simply asking for you to be respectful enough to offer a note about spoilers before posting them (this is common etiquette anywhere online), refrain from making assumptions about your fellow posters, and further explain your own comments when questions about them pop up.
 
So for those who have watched it, what’s the general consensus? Pro Catholic? Anti Catholic? Somewhere in the middle?
 
I prefer to think of it more God and man rather than pro/anti catholic. If this author had been from the east maybe it would have been written from that perspective. I saw God in the work and came away with more in being exposed to this person perspective.
 
Tmac7425 said:
I prefer to think of it more God and man rather than pro/anti catholic. If this author had been from the east maybe it would have been written from that perspective. I saw God in the work and came away with more in being exposed to this person perspective.
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I agree that it wasn’t really anti or pro-Catholic. It seemed more about the search for God that we all experience.

It was hard reliving the sex abuse scandal through the show. So much pain and horror.
 
I was baptized in 1942 and went through their parochial school system (more than grateful for the education) and can remember moments where sexual overtones were present so I really wasn’t surprised when when I heard of the behavior and as for the cover ups, everything was different back then, things were dealt more in house so I could understand how that could happen, what impressed me the most out of the whole affair was the reaction of the congregation and the distance it created between themselves and the problem we all helped create by giving the clergy so much power over all of us. What affected me most in growing up as I did were the spiritual bullies I encountered. The very thought of mortal sins and excommunication were very impressive to a young boy and many times I had to bite my tongue and deny my self and my curiosity over spiritual teachings that I was exposed to and questioned when I encountered what appeared to me a contradiction. If I must confess, I was pleased that they embarrassed themselves. I could separate the teachings from the teachers. As I wrote earlier, I am more than grateful for being exposed to the catholic beliefs and the beautiful thoughts their ideas provoked in my mind. The very thought of thinking of God as our father, my father is so liberating and makes life so much more.
 
Bataar said:
So for those who have watched it, what’s the general consensus? Pro Catholic? Anti Catholic? Somewhere in the middle?
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In spite of myself, I caught the last couple of episodes.

I wouldn’t regard it as anti Catholic, and I don’ t know that I’d regard it as pro Catholic either. It might creep up on being pro Catholic as its hard to depict the Church in any degree and not start to come out pro Catholic to an extent, which says something about the nature of the Church.

One thing that I think is definitely there, and I’m not the only one who has noted it, is that in some ways its a generational allegory. I think that aspect of it, which I think is undoubtedly intentional, is going to get little notice as the generation it implicitly criticizes remains the most influential one in society and doesn’t tolerate descent from its celebrated status. That is, an underlying theme is that the “young” Pope (late 40s, not really young for anything except in our exaggerated youth era) is a child of Baby Boomers and has been abandoned and rejected by them. Rather than adopt the libertine ways of his parents he’s struggled his way back to meaningful tradition. That’s something that has been occurring in real society. It calls to mind Chesteron’s line “Virtue, modesty, obedience, self-mastery…these are now considered forms of oppression and when heresy is the norm, the only rebellion left is orthodoxy” (which is not to say that I’m accusing anyone in the Church of heresy, just quoting the notion of orthodoxy as rebellion".
 
Well we got free HBO a few weekends ago so I DVR’d it expecting another secular hit piece.

Now, having finished all 10 episodes I found the series to be a true delight. It was well written with marvelous dialogue, excellent, believable characters, visually stunning etc. OK there were the usual sins …meh.

Finally the young Pope did not fall victim to ANY of the frequently regurgitated PC untruths that plague modern storytelling.

It was the best mini-series I’ve watched in quite some time. Some of you that dismissed it should give it another go. Aside from its obvious strong points the narrative also reveals there’s is a greatness in the narratives subtlety.
 
So far, I’ve watched the 5 episodes of the show. I didn’t necessarily find it particularily anti-Catholic. In addition, Lenny actually isn’t an atheist but a man who has doubt from time to time like many of us do but still clearly believes in God-e.g. he prays constantly. He is also a man coming from an unusual background (especially for an American born in the late 60’s/early '70’s)-he was abandoned by his parents but was old enough to be able to remember them (though I still wonder how they seemingly dropped off the face of the earth-after all, one would think that a 9-year old would at least know his parent’s names) and was more or less pushed into a career in the Church (along with his best friend/foster brother) by having a nun and an overly ambitious (and arguably unstable) priest as his parental figures (with the latter essentially using him as a pawn, only for it completely backfire). Plus, I love the lavisciousness and semi-surrealism of the series, not to mention that Jude Law (who’s anything but priestly in his own life) and Diane Keaton are very good actors.
 
I think the most important thing to be gleaned from life and the individual moments in it is does it add to your relationship with God, does it increase your understanding and awareness of God. I commune with the father but I really enjoyed it when Lenny got serious. “Lord, its time we talk, its time we talk about …” It was so cool, I still smile when I think about it. PS. I think from your words we pretty much saw the same show.
 
Young_Thinker said:
So far, I’ve watched the 5 episodes of the show. I didn’t necessarily find it particularily anti-Catholic. In addition, Lenny actually isn’t an atheist but a man who has doubt from time to time like many of us do but still clearly believes in God-e.g. he prays constantly. He is also a man coming from an unusual background (especially for an American born in the late 60’s/early '70’s)-he was abandoned by his parents but was old enough to be able to remember them (though I still wonder how they seemingly dropped off the face of the earth-after all, one would think that a 9-year old would at least know his parent’s names) and was more or less pushed into a career in the Church (along with his best friend/foster brother) by having a nun and an overly ambitious (and arguably unstable) priest as his parental figures (with the latter essentially using him as a pawn, only for it completely backfire). Plus, I love the lavisciousness and semi-surrealism of the series, not to mention that Jude Law (who’s anything but priestly in his own life) and Diane Keaton are very good actors.
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Oops, I meant LAVISHNESS, not lavisciousness. There’s a big difference lol.
 
I have only seen the trailers and read some articles, but as an actor I can already see this show lacks a rival for this so called “Pius XIII”, as in a Christlike, humble, more generous member of the clergy that would really bring the fire to his feet so to speak. 😉
 
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