He who sees me sees the Father

[donanobis]

This is more of a comment but I find it amazing how God in the OT ‘scolds’ his people just as Jesus ‘scolds’ the people in the New Testament. Consider these:biblical comparisons and then consider what Jesus said about himself in the NT in the final quotes. I would be interested to know how those of the Jewish faith feel about this comparison although I am not certain if they are allowed to read the New Testament (sincere inquiry-not a slam).

God scolds his people:

In Exodus 16:27-28, God says

27 It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28 Then the LORD said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My instructions?

and in Numbers14:27

**Jesus scolds his people: **
“How long must I put up with you?” quotes in Mark 9:19, and Matthew17:17, Luke9:41

Jesus’ claim that He and the Father are one.

Matthew10:40

"Anyone who receives you receives me, and anyone who receives me receives the Father who sent me.

John12 :44-50

44Jesus shouted to the crowds, “If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. 45For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. 46I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark. 47I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it. 48But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken. 49I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Christ’s dialogue regarding His relationship between Himself and the Father are perhaps some of the most misunderstood and under appreciated passages in John’s gospel. Modalists try to use it to prove their case, whereas groups such as Muslims try to use it to prove that He was nothing more than a prophet.

 

[Reuben_J]

Jews would understand that God was disappointed with their tendency to sin (the Exodus verse).

As for Jesus’ words in the NT, they mean nothing to them as they do not believe him as a prophet or a Messiah.

 

[donanobis]

Christ’s dialogue regarding His relationship between Himself and the Father are perhaps some of the most misunderstood and under appreciated passages in John’s gospel. Modalists try to use it to prove their case, whereas groups such as Muslims try to use it to prove that He was nothing more than a prophet.

I just revisited this thread and wonder if you could tell me what a Modalist is. I looked it up in Webster’s dictionary and nata.

thanks,
dona

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I just revisited this thread and wonder if you could tell me what a Modalist is. I looked it up in Webster’s dictionary and nata.

thanks,
dona

They were an ancient heresy, I believe they were also called Sabellianists. They believed that the Trinity were not distinct Persons but different “modes” (hence modalism") of God, sort of like how water can be ice, liquid, and air at different times but not all at once.