Head covering in the Chaldean Catholic church?

[maryelizabeth1]

Hi everyone,

I have a quick question to ask. Tomorrow I’m going to Chaldean Catholic church for the first time and I wondered if I should wear some kind of head covering?
I’m Roman Catholic so most women don’t cover their heads. But I tend to be a traditionalist who wished we did. I googled “Chaldean Catholic church”, and almost every picture shows women with some kind of head covering.
Although it will be a daily mass I didn’t know how casual I should be.

Thanks

 

[ronyodish]

maryelizabeth1,

Head coverings are not required, some wear them and others don’t. Since you tend to be a traditionalist, then you should wear one. Dress modestly and you’ll be fine.

Enjoy your time worshiping with the Chaldeans

God bless,

Rony

 

[Alexios]

I would strongly encourage you to cover your head no matter what kind of Catholic church you’re going to.

 

[Chaldean_Rite]

drbo.org/chapter/53011.htm

Given St. Paul is a saint, and a great one, whats stopping all women from listening to his exhortation and teaching?

 

[ronyodish]

1 Cor. 11:5-6​

But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven. For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.​

St. Paul does make it clear, doesn’t he?

But, the way I’ve heard this passage being explained is that the head covering is a discipline that the Church can dispense with, a discipline conditioned for a time and culture, and not an essential moral-type teaching.

So, I’m not sure on this. Perhaps others more knowledgeable than me can comment here.

God bless,

Rony

 

[lizaanne]

So, I’m not sure on this. Perhaps others more knowledgeable than me can comment here.

Ohhhhhh - and I’m sure they will since you offered the invitation!!

Personally, I cover my head. I don’t really care if others do or don’t. I wish all woman did, but if they don’t - well, eh - whatever. It’s my personal choice and what I feel woman should do.

maryelizabeth1 - I hope you enjoy your time with the Chaldeans! A simple scarf or beret should be fine.

And be brave!!! If you feel called to cover your head at your own Church, then go for it! Those of us who do cover have had our first times and nervous feelings about it too - but if you feel it’s right, then nothing else really matters.

~Liza

 

[ronyodish]

Look at this picture of a Syrian priest celebrating the liturgy:

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If we are to be consistent, wouldn’t this be violating the equivalent in the passage for men?

I Cor. 11:4​

Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head.​

So, I’m really not sure what to think of St. Paul’s passage. He does use the term “custom” in verse 16, so I still think that head coverings for women, and no coverings for men was a custom or discipline in a specific time and culture.

God bless,

Rony

 

[ronyodish]

Ohhhhhh - and I’m sure they will since you offered the invitation!!

I confess, I like a good discussion

God bless,

Rony

 

[bpbasilphx]

**[Picture of a Syriac Monastic Priest with cowl}

If we are to be consistent, wouldn’t this be violating the equivalent in the passage for men?**

**Don’t forget that St. Paul came from a tradition where it was customary for at least the leaders in worship to wear some kind of liturgical headdress.

 

[ronyodish]

Don’t forget that St. Paul came from a tradition where it was customary for at least the leaders in worship to wear some kind of liturgical headdress.

Yes, like this example picture of a praying Rabbi

artbysheldon.com/imgs/praying_rabbi.jpg

Which is so perplexing to me as to why St. Paul made the statements in verses 4 and 7.

God bless,

Rony

 

[Ghoti]

Don’t the Pope and the bishops keep their beanies (?) on when they say Mass?

 

[Mickey]

I would strongly encourage you to cover your head no matter what kind of Catholic church you’re going to.

Amen. It saddens me when I see the majority of Catholics and/or Orthodox women with no head coverings. It seems to be the case only in America–why is this?

 

[lizaanne]

Yes, like this example picture of a praying Rabbi

artbysheldon.com/imgs/praying_rabbi.jpg

Which is so perplexing to me as to why St. Paul made the statements in verses 4 and 7.

God bless,

Rony

Perhaps because it is just assumed that clergy are set apart from the lay people, and it never would have even occurred to him to tell priests to not cover their heads because it’s just a given that they are supposed to.

The authors of the Bible do not point out every single obvious point.

~Liza

 

[Alexios]

Mickey,

Actually, it seems even fewer traditionalist women in France cover their heads than traditionalist women in America, at least in my limited experience.

I agree with you about the Orthodox, though. Most women in Russia have headscarves, but it’s rarely seen in American Orthodoxy, outside of ROCOR and like-minded jurisdictions. And it’s even rarer in Eastern Catholicism, at least in the U.S.

Ghoti,

Priests, bishops, popes, abbots, etc. all remove their zucchetti (not “beanies,” lol) and/or their birettas (pl: birette?) at appropriate times during the Liturgy. I think that during the Liturgy of the Eucharist (i.e., the second half of Mass, after the Liturgy of the Catechumens/Word), no headgear is worn at all until near the very end/Final Blessing. It may just be during the Canon, but definitely during the Canon no biretta or zucchetto is worn.

 

[Ghoti]

Mickey,

Actually, it seems even fewer traditionalist women in France cover their heads than traditionalist women in America, at least in my limited experience.

I agree with you about the Orthodox, though. Most women in Russia have headscarves, but it’s rarely seen in American Orthodoxy, outside of ROCOR and like-minded jurisdictions. And it’s even rarer in Eastern Catholicism, at least in the U.S.

Ghoti,

Priests, bishops, popes, abbots, etc. all remove their zucchetti (not “beanies,” lol) and/or their birettas (pl: birette?) at appropriate times during the Liturgy. I think that during the Liturgy of the Eucharist (i.e., the second half of Mass, after the Liturgy of the Catechumens/Word), no headgear is worn at all until near the very end/Final Blessing. It may just be during the Canon, but definitely during the Canon no biretta or zucchetto is worn.

I knew they had a name (zucchetto), I just couldn’t remember, and I knew they weren’t yarmulkes or kippahs. It had just6 popped in my head when Archie Bunker went to Stretch Cunningham’s funeral and discovered Stretch was really Jewish. At the funeral he was asked to deliver the eulogy; when he went up front, Edith chased him with a yarmulke and said, “Archie! You forgot your beanie!”

 

[ronyodish]

Perhaps because it is just assumed that clergy are set apart from the lay people, and it never would have even occurred to him to tell priests to not cover their heads because it’s just a given that they are supposed to.

The authors of the Bible do not point out every single obvious point.

~Liza

Perhaps. That’s a possible answer.

God bless,

Rony

 

[Mickey]

Actually, it seems even fewer traditionalist women in France cover their heads than traditionalist women in America, at least in my limited experience.

but it’s rarely seen in American Orthodoxy, outside of ROCOR and like-minded jurisdictions. And it’s even rarer in Eastern Catholicism, at least in the U.S.

Yes. It is a bummer.

 

[antgaria]

Peace,

I’m a guy, and I’m all for women covering their heads in the Church, and I really like the fact that the women in our Church do cover their head. Now that I got that confession out of the way…

One thing to keep in mind during this conversation is that because in today’s society the symbol of authority which the head covering is has become a symbol of oppression and inequality for many. This is unfortunate. But if scarves are a disciplinary and not a doctrinal/dogmatic matter, then could the Church not in its application of economia allow for some women, who look at such a symbol of authority in a way that is vile, to not wear it?

That’s coming from old-fashion stubborn me, and believe that’s a hard one for me to write…

If you do not revile wearing a scarf, do take it along. If it is a stumbling block for you, do not. Either way, enjoy the worship with the Chaldeans, and God bless you.

About the head covering of the priests… I’ve been wondering about that myself. I know that there are parts that the head covering comes off as Alexios mentioned, but I would love more insight into it.

One thing that I found very fascinating when I asked about Eastern monks {mostly Eastern Orthodox or Eastern Catholic} and why they have long hair, I was told about the Nazarene vowels in the Old Testament, and also one thing was pointed out strongly… if it is that nature teaches it is a mark of disgrace for men to have long hair, it is ever more a way for the monk to show that he is broken and disgraceful before the awesomeness of God.

In Christ,
Anthony

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Mickey,

Actually, it seems even fewer traditionalist women in France cover their heads than traditionalist women in America, at least in my limited experience.

I agree with you about the Orthodox, though. Most women in Russia have headscarves, but it’s rarely seen in American Orthodoxy, outside of ROCOR and like-minded jurisdictions. And it’s even rarer in Eastern Catholicism, at least in the U.S.

Why is contradistinction such an incessant leitmotif for so many pro-Eastern parties? “We don’t do it much… Catholics even less!”

It begins to sound like identity is largely connected in NOT being something or at least being better then them.

 

[Alexios]

I don’t know, Simple. I’m actually Latin, and very “pro-Western.”

What I said just seems to be the case, generally.