Head Coverings are Evil

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Are recently had a conversation with a family member who said that they absolutely do not agree with Catholic women who choose to cover their heads in church. I said, why not it’s a just a tradition, it’s not like it’s enforced any more and it is just a form of piety. They in turn said that they are a chauvinistic way of men enforcing their will on women. Furthermore that Catholics women who choose to wear head coverings have merely been brainwashed into thinking this is normal, and that they are merely around to make babies and should walk ten feet behind their husbands. I’m not looking for Biblical or Traditional apologetics, just some practical apologetics for women who keep this practice. It may be of note I am male. 😊
 
I know how hard it can be for you to confront irrational arguments from people who do not understand the necessity of reverence for the Body of Christ reserved in the Tabernacle, and during the Sacrifice of the Mass. I agree that headcoverings are no longer required of women in Church; nevertheless, I fully respect and admire women who seek to adore the Christ by every mean, including the intention of men and women to dress respectfully. You can tell the others that men usually wear pants at Mass (as well as at all other times, hopefully!) I don’t think that there is a specific requirement for that, however. Would the others also argue that men should show their respect for the Lord by wearing dresses?

Traditionally minded Catholic women wear a headcovering in accordance with St. Paul’s admonition, even though it is no longer obligatory. Traditionally minded Catholic men DO NOT wear any form of headcovering - even if they wanted to do so! It’s not a matter of brainwashing; it’s simple recognition of the dignity of both genders to the Lord.
 
In previous times, all women wore headcoverings in church. In synagogues, both men and women normally cover their heads as well.

It is a tradition that shows respect for being in a house of God. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me.
 
I know that’s what I said, however modernist Protestantism has told us that we no longer need them. It’s just a hard argument.
 
holdencaulfield said:
They in turn said that they are a chauvinistic way of men enforcing their will on women. Furthermore that Catholics women who choose to wear head coverings have merely been brainwashed into thinking this is normal, and that they are merely around to make babies and should walk ten feet behind their husbands.
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Ok, now I’ve composed myself…
Where do people come up with these ideas? Women have worn head coverings for centuries. What is the big deal? I lived in a little town on the southern coast of Crete for a couple of months and every woman who lived there wore a head covering all the time. I think it is a beautiful habit. (Not to mention the time saved by not having to do your hair :D) The women described above don’t sound like any Catholic women I know. And what is wrong with making babies!!! :eek:
 
holdencaulfield said:
Are recently had a conversation with a family member who said that they absolutely do not agree with Catholic women who choose to cover their heads in church. I said, why not it’s a just a tradition, it’s not like it’s enforced any more and it is just a form of piety. They in turn said that they are a chauvinistic way of men enforcing their will on women. Furthermore that Catholics women who choose to wear head coverings have merely been brainwashed into thinking this is normal, and that they are merely around to make babies and should walk ten feet behind their husbands. I’m not looking for Biblical or Traditional apologetics, just some practical apologetics for women who keep this practice. It may be of note I am male. 😊
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So these women should be brainwashed to obey and walk ten feet behind the women who think they know best for everyone else, instead? If patriarchy run amok is bad, why is matriarchy run amok an improvement?

But you don’t want to say that so directly. Instead, I would say, “I don’t say women should wear them.* I *don’t say they shouldn’t. In my experience, these ladies know exactly why they prefer to worship with their heads covered. (You can list reasons the women give, if you like.) At any rate, it would take a braver one or a more foolish one than I to want to force them to do otherwise. If you want to force your ideas on them, good luck.”

And then end the conversation, resisting attempts to revive it with “I think I said it as clearly as I can: they will do what they choose to do. * The Pope *has said they may do what they choose! It is their choice. If you have a problem with them, talk to them.” Patiently and calmly repeat the last two sentences, as often as necessary. (You may have to add subtle signs that their obstinance is boring you, but don’t add that too quickly.) 👍
 
How is a personal devotion that is between me and Our Lord anything that any man has forced upon me? I think that suggestion is more demeaning to women than the idea that wearing a veil is something to do with our gender making us something less than men. The feminists are more degrading to me than the things they rant about, usually.

I have not been brainwashed into anything, and I don’t like the suggestion that I have. This is something I CHOOSE for myself as way of outwardly expressing the fact that I know that church is not an ordinary room. Jesus is truly present there, and the veil is a reminder to me of that diffrence. That’s why I put it on right before I enter the Church and remove it just as I leave…it’s a way of cementing it for me.

Has nothing to do well men…or with some feminist theory.

Hope that helps. 🙂

Please note…the bitterness is not directed at you, Holden. I know you are looking for a reply those ideas which you feel are wrong but need more information. 🙂
 
holdencaulfield said:
Are recently had a conversation with a family member who said that they absolutely do not agree with Catholic women who choose to cover their heads in church. I said, why not it’s a just a tradition, it’s not like it’s enforced any more and it is just a form of piety. They in turn said that they are a chauvinistic way of men enforcing their will on women. Furthermore that Catholics women who choose to wear head coverings have merely been brainwashed into thinking this is normal, and that they are merely around to make babies and should walk ten feet behind their husbands. I’m not looking for Biblical or Traditional apologetics, just some practical apologetics for women who keep this practice. It may be of note I am male. 😊
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I’m not at all sure it’s even that.
 
jdnrite01 said:
I know how hard it can be for you to confront irrational arguments from people who do not understand the necessity of reverence for the Body of Christ reserved in the Tabernacle, and during the Sacrifice of the Mass. I agree that headcoverings are no longer required of women in Church; nevertheless, I fully respect and admire women who seek to adore the Christ by every mean, including the intention of men and women to dress respectfully. You can tell the others that men usually wear pants at Mass (as well as at all other times, hopefully!) I don’t think that there is a specific requirement for that, however. Would the others also argue that men should show their respect for the Lord by wearing dresses?

Traditionally minded Catholic women wear a headcovering in accordance with St. Paul’s admonition, even though it is no longer obligatory. Traditionally minded Catholic men DO NOT wear any form of headcovering - even if they wanted to do so! It’s not a matter of brainwashing; it’s simple recognition of the dignity of both genders to the Lord.
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Some do, some don’t. Some very forward-thinking Catholic women do as well…

No men (not just “Traditionally minded Catholic men”) wear hats inside of any Catholic parish unless they happen to be clergy of some sort…
 
holdencaulfield said:
I know that’s what I said, however modernist Protestantism has told us that we no longer need them. It’s just a hard argument.
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I personally prefer a head covering, but I support each woman’s choice to cover or not to cover. My question would be–what difference does it make to a Catholic woman what modernist Protestantism says, to be blunt, it’s none of their business!

Incidentally, this isn’t aimed at you, Holden–just at those you are quoting…👋
 
I can remember as a teenager (this is pre-Vatican II so I am dating myself 🙂 ) where you would not have dared go into a Catholic Church (even if you weren’t Catholic, which I wasn’t at the time) without at least a scarf or short veil ~ to approximately the shoulders. That seemed to go by the wayside as part of the feminist revolution.

But my cousin wears a veil and I see scattered veils around my parish. I don’t know what, if anything, it truly represents but were I to guess, I’d say it is at least an expression of piety and/or modesty on the part of the people that wear them. I submit that we should leave these people alone, if they want to wear a headcovering, fine, if not, fine. No sense getting all worked up about it.

Whatever these headcoverings are, they are NOT evil.
 
I agree, however it wasn’t me that got worked up about it.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Are recently had a conversation with a family member who said that they absolutely do not agree with Catholic women who choose to cover their heads in church. I said, why not it’s a just a tradition, it’s not like it’s enforced any more and it is just a form of piety. They in turn said that they are a chauvinistic way of men enforcing their will on women. Furthermore that Catholics women who choose to wear head coverings have merely been brainwashed into thinking this is normal, and that they are merely around to make babies and should walk ten feet behind their husbands. I’m not looking for Biblical or Traditional apologetics, just some practical apologetics for women who keep this practice. It may be of note I am male. 😊
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Wearing a head covering is in deference to Jesus in the Tabernacle - not to mortal man. Ask your family member this: Is not Jesus worthy of such respect?
 
Speaking only for myself, Jesus is worthy of every sort of respect. That’s one reason we have adoration.

In my parish, that’s coming up soon. We hold a 24 hour adoration regularly. Many have suggested, at various places within this forum, that people who have doubts go to spend some time with the Lord in adoration. I recommend it.

Respect is good.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Speaking only for myself, Jesus is worthy of every sort of respect. That’s one reason we have adoration.

In my parish, that’s coming up soon. We hold a 24 hour adoration regularly. Many have suggested, at various places within this forum, that people who have doubts go to spend some time with the Lord in adoration. I recommend it.

Respect is good.
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I would like to.
 
As a non-Catholic, I find it odd that any Catholic woman would not cover her head while in a church.

The few times I have attended Catholic Masses, I covered my head out of respect. I would do this in any religious house of worship because I do not wish to offend anyone’s sensibilities.

I also would never dream to enter a church or synagogue wearing slacks or immodest clothing, and it saddens me when I see women who do.
 
Yes, I am feeling more confident about having the discussion again. 🙂
 
HashemEchad, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, slacks for women seem to have become the “norm” although when our female Cantor leads she always wears a dress. 🙂

The most silly combination I have seen was actually a man wearing a button-down, monogrammed, long-sleeve shirt, with SHORTS. I’m supposed to understand that I live in a beach community and so that’s OK.

Sometimes I just have to believe that people do not remember Who it is they came to worship. If they were invited to an important event, would they dress like that? This isn’t about money or fancy clothes, this is about respect. But I am told that it is better that someone is there at Mass than the alternative & God is “no respecter of persons”. So I guess I have to keep still.
 
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