Head coverings

[OutinChgoburbs]

challenger:

I haven’t read through this all… but here’s a link: catholicintl.com/catholicissues/women-covering001.htm

The author claims it must be a veil, which the Church has never claimed. He claims we are bringing the wrath of God on oursleves because only God is unveiled, and the angels are veiled in His presence. Further, in his force to veil women, he never concedes to TNT’s excellent point that it also says in scripture that bishops must be married of only one wife, but nowadays bishops are unmarried. He never brings up the complete aborgation of the 1917 Canon.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

bear06:

…Now we can go on and on quoting Corinthians but if you read it again, you will notice in black and white that it says a woman’s head should be covered whenever praying, not just in Church. If you notice, it’s probably been a really long while since the Church made women wear veils just to pray. And guess what? The Church is the one who gets to interpret and decide what the disciplines are and when we are bound by them. Disciples change. Doesn’t anyone remember the apostles changing disciplines?

So much time spent talking about lace when the Church does not.

What I have been trying to say for at least five years. THANK YOU!!!

And once again, biblical veils are not filmy, lacey things.

 

[severinus]

Head coverings? How about just dressing respectfully? Most people in my parish dress as though they were cleaning the attic.

While it is true that one cannot judge the intentions and the contents of another’s heart, it is also true that actions can be revealing: lex orandi, lex credendi.

If one dresses in a sloppy manner for celebration of Mass, what does that say about the person’s belief? And what does it say about priests who allow immodest and sloppy dress within the congregation?

At some point a few years ago, I became tired of the argument that God does not care how someone dresses for the liturgy. It’s a simple matter of respect. If one believes in the Real Presence of Jesus at Mass, it makes sense to dress in a manner that reflects that belief. For that matter, dressing sloppily shows lack of respect for the whole congregation.

 

[challenger]

OutinChgoburbs:

The author claims it must be a veil, which the Church has never claimed. He claims we are bringing the wrath of God on oursleves because only God is unveiled, and the angels are veiled in His presence. Further, in his force to veil women, he never concedes to TNT’s excellent point that it also says in scripture that bishops must be married of only one wife, but nowadays bishops are unmarried. He never brings up the complete aborgation of the 1917 Canon.

If you read the link, he did bring up the abrogation of the 1917 Canon, and explained about the 1983’s Canon for retaining parts of the 1917 Canons, as well as the 1983 Canon making “immemorial traditions” irrevocable.

 

[moo]

“How would women feel if head coverings were made mandatory again?”]

Wearing head coverings is not something I saw growing up. I am 34 now and have pondered the question of do we or don’t we for a while now. And up until lately have come up empty handed. First I stumbled upon a video of EWTN’s Catholic Compass, by Bob Fishman titled The Jewish Roots of Catholicism. He speaks of a prayer shawl that all Jews use. He still uses it as a Catholic today, it’s awesome, check it out. Also, I’ve learned that the Pope after Peter, was St. Linus, who made it mandatory for all women to cover their heads Plus is says this in I Cor. 11, starting with verse 4 or there about depending on your Bible. Covering Heads for women is also a Canon Law and was never changed or deleted. (am sorry that i don’t have the exact #.) But there is more! In the Atlanta Journal, June 21, 1969 is an article entitled, “Women Required to Cover Head, Vatican Insists.” Pope Paul IV enstructed one of his officals to clarify the churches unchanged discipline reguarding head coverings for women. Someone help me with a larger post, how to do it?

I believe that covering heads will inspire propper dress. It is hard to show modesty on your head and be hanging out or showing down below. It is for the True Presence of Christ that commands our best dress, for love and respest of HIM.

 

[Island_Oak]

jjwilkman:

question. if Jesus invited you to a dinner, what would you wear? would you be late? Mass = dinner.

Interesting question…It seems from my recollection that Jesus himself met most people where they were in their daily lives–regardless of whether that meant they were clothed in finery or filthy from a day on the fishing boats. Note that the Blessed Mother Teresa adopted the dress of the impoverished slum dwellers whom she devoted her life to serving. There are far too many who spend inordinate amounts of time worrying about the appropriateness of the appearance of those around them. Surely there are some, especially the young, who could use some gentle, discrete guidance, but to all those who make the commitment and effort to get themselves to church every Sunday–I think our only message should be WELCOME!

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

“How would women feel if head coverings were made mandatory again?”]

Wearing head coverings is not something I saw growing up. I am 34 now and have pondered the question of do we or don’t we for a while now. And up until lately have come up empty handed. First I stumbled upon a video of EWTN’s Catholic Compass, by Bob Fishman titled The Jewish Roots of Catholicism. He speaks of a prayer shawl that all Jews use. He still uses it as a Catholic today, it’s awesome, check it out. Also, I’ve learned that the Pope after Peter, was St. Linus, who made it mandatory for all women to cover their heads Plus is says this in I Cor. 11, starting with verse 4 or there about depending on your Bible. Covering Heads for women is also a Canon Law and was never changed or deleted. (am sorry that i don’t have the exact #.) But there is more! In the Atlanta Journal, June 21, 1969 is an article entitled, “Women Required to Cover Head, Vatican Insists.” Pope Paul IV enstructed one of his officals to clarify the churches unchanged discipline reguarding head coverings for women. Someone help me with a larger post, how to do it?

I believe that covering heads will inspire propper dress. It is hard to show modesty on your head and be hanging out or showing down below. It is for the True Presence of Christ that commands our best dress, for love and respest of HIM.

Until 1983, when the Code of Canon Law changed, yes, women had to cover their heads. It was aborogated; the whole Code of 1917 was aborogated. 1983 was long after Pope Paul VI.

Now, I am confused here, because you want to equate a tallis that MEN used with women covering their heads. Do you want guys to cover their heads too? I wonder how many of them would be willing to do this, or place that off in the Old Testament.

Covering the head does not logically lead to “proper” dress. As you saw, CarolAnnSFO and I would be tempted to wear ballcaps, Yankees and Cubs respectively. And you do not recall the hautiness of women trying to out-do each other in millinery, one hat more magnificent than the other, not to bring praise to God, but to out-do her sister in Christ.

See, IN MY OPINION it’s not the physical head on a woman’s neck with which St. Paul concerned himself. I think, if read properly, he was concerned with 1.) modesty, not wanting Christian women to be considered as temple prostitutes or loose women because of their Christianity, and 2.) household relationships, as having a prostitute in the family would certainly be shameful.

But a dozen people are going to scream WRONG! and try to tie the whole thing into a piece of lace again.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

challenger:

If you read the link, he did bring up the abrogation of the 1917 Canon, and explained about the 1983’s Canon for retaining parts of the 1917 Canons, as well as the 1983 Canon making “immemorial traditions” irrevocable.

I did, and I also read Colin Donovan’s article as well as Jimmy Akin’s explanation. And out of the three, the one that went on forever and took me twenty minutes to read illogical points did not cut it, as did Mr. Akin’s and Mr. Donovan’s explanations.

 

[Iohannes]

I believe for a private audience with the pope a chapel veil is required for women. Look at Laura Bush Nancy Reagan when they visited Pope John Paul II.