Head coverings

  • Thread starter Thread starter GrowingMyWings
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
G

GrowingMyWings

Guest
I think this can go here…

Whatever happened to wearing them?
When ever I see an old movie, or a recent movie, but set in the 60’s ish or later, the girls who are Catholic are shown wearing them in church.
I have never seen anyone wear one except on TV.
I’ve read a few things, like this article:

web2.airmail.net/~carlsch/MaterDei/Library/the_veil.htm

Please read it and tell me what you think…and what you think in general???

http://www.latin-mass-society.org/images/hertford08_med.jpeg

These are a few more articles…But most of them are pretty long.
catholicplanet.com/veil/index.htm
montanasat.net/rickv/Headcovering_Veiling.html#Headcoveringissue
latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm
bible.ovc.edu/terry/articles/headcovr.htm
anabaptists.org/tracts/covertrc.html
 
OOoooh! You are so gonna get ripped on.

This has been ‘covered’ before and it wasn’t a pretty sight. It seems that for some reason, this particular subject is about as thorny as Our Father hand-holding and Holy Communion hand-taking.

It is my understanding that the rejection of head covering occured sometime after Vatican II when a reporter asked a Cardinal about it. He replied that wasn’t on the ajenda. The news spread that head coverings were no longer required, and in the ferver of the women’s lib movement, they were rejected almost overnight. This is what I believe happened, anyway.

From past threads on the subject, other female parishioners and comments from my wife lead me to believe that any female who would dare to wear a head covering would be smacked down to social outcaste, immediately. She would be accused of showing off and trying to appear more Holy than everyone else. Females can take mean to a whole 'nuther level. I’m just going to sit this one out and watch cat fur fly.

Yep! If you want to start a war, just start a thread on head-covering, tongue-receiving or not holding hands for the Our Father.
 
LOL@Cargopilot…I don’t think that **all ** women are prone to cat fights. I take offense to that comment. This message forum seems soooo different than the sexist comments I see on other boards, so please don’t taint my opinion by saying things that generalize women like that. 😉

As for the head covering…I wouldn’t judge a woman wearing it one way or the other. I don’t think I would view any women who chose to wear them, as holier than thou…not at all. To each’s own. I’m not busy sitting in church looking at and judging what others are wearing and doing…I’m there to pray and become enriched by the Lord.
 
40.png
cargopilot:
OOoooh! You are so gonna get ripped on.

This has been ‘covered’ before and it wasn’t a pretty sight. It seems that for some reason, this particular subject is about as thorny as Our Father hand-holding and Holy Communion hand-taking.

It is my understanding that the rejection of head covering occured sometime after Vatican II when a reporter asked a Cardinal about it. He replied that wasn’t on the ajenda. The news spread that head coverings were no longer required, and in the ferver of the women’s lib movement, they were rejected almost overnight. This is what I believe happened, anyway.

From past threads on the subject, other female parishioners and comments from my wife lead me to believe that any female who would dare to wear a head covering would be smacked down to social outcaste, immediately. She would be accused of showing off and trying to appear more Holy than everyone else. Females can take mean to a whole 'nuther level. I’m just going to sit this one out and watch cat fur fly.

Yep! If you want to start a war, just start a thread on head-covering, tongue-receiving or not holding hands for the Our Father.
Click to expand...
ahhh
I don’t want to start anything!

I was just wondering everyones opinion on the article and their opinions in general.

That’s pretty sad that women would be that way towards eachother. Only God can judge. =\
 
40.png
whatevergirl:
LOL@Cargopilot…I don’t think that **all ** women are prone to cat fights. I take offense to that comment. This message forum seems soooo different than the sexist comments I see on other boards, so please don’t taint my opinion by saying things that generalize women like that. 😉

As for the head covering…I wouldn’t judge a woman wearing it one way or the other. I don’t think I would view any women who chose to wear them, as holier than thou…not at all. To each’s own. I’m not busy sitting in church looking at and judging what others are wearing and doing…I’m there to pray and become enriched by the Lord.
Click to expand...
I totally agree with you.
How horrible of someone to come to church and assume someone’s reasons for head covering to be “Holier than thou” or ect.
People need to wake up if this is the case…But that is just how I feel towards that attitude. :mad:
 
I go to the TLM, and Iam proud to wear a head covering. :o Certainly noholier than thou happening with me. I just like to
wear it, and if feels right.
 
In an age when you see people wear everything but bathing suits to Mass, I am pleased to see women wear something that shows some *reverence. *I don’t see it as holier-than-thou at all.
 
40.png
whatevergirl:
LOL@Cargopilot…I don’t think that **all **women are prone to cat fights. I take offense to that comment. This message forum seems soooo different than the sexist comments I see on other boards, so please don’t taint my opinion by saying things that generalize women like that. 😉

As for the head covering…I wouldn’t judge a woman wearing it one way or the other. I don’t think I would view any women who chose to wear them, as holier than thou…not at all. To each’s own. I’m not busy sitting in church looking at and judging what others are wearing and doing…I’m there to pray and become enriched by the Lord.
Click to expand...
You’re right…I shouldn’t generalize. And you’re also right. All women aren’t prone to being mean to other women. And right again. All women wouldn’t think another is ‘Holier than thou’ just because she wore a head covering to Mass. So I would like apologize. I truly didn’t mean to offend anyone. (Except maybe those who WOULD smack someone down for being different.)

As for everything you said in the second paragraph, Bravo. Why can’t more females be like that? I may be wrong, but in general, women are the harshest judges of other women. And yes, many DO sit in Mass looking and judging others for what they wear. It all seems to start in kindergarten and continues well into old-age.

In my close-knit parish, there’s a very nice family. They’re very active in the Church and school, great kids, not rich, just a good old-fashioned Catholic family. They always dress up for Mass, but definately not haute-couture. I really like them.

Then one day, she and her daughters started wearing chapel veils to Mass. I was embarassed to hear some of the things said about her. “Who does she think she is?” “She thinks she’s better than us” “Just look at how silly she looks.” It didn’t take long for most of the other females to be turned against her. Of course, the few who remained true to her also paid a price. She found out how few friends she really had. I would mention the nick-name she was given, but that would personally identify her and me. I thought it was sad that someone could be so ostracized over a piece of cloth.

I’ve seen similar behavior patterns here on the forums. Head covering threads always receive moderator attention and have to be closed because of the venom. I truly don’t understand why the thought of a woman covering her head for God repulses some to the point that they will say and do almost anything to stop the offender.

My dear wife has thought of wearing a veil, she even has one in the ‘closet’, but absolutely will NOT from FEAR. “You remember what happened to so and so.” she says. She knows that if she did that, all her friends would think she’s weird. I say, it’s not worth a fight. Who wants to face ridicule, shame and loose all your friends over a piece of cloth? I say, forget it.
 
When I was growing up the kids used to call the older people who covered their heads ‘The hat and coat brigade’. We got teased if our parents were part of the hat and coat brigade.
 
40.png
cargopilot:
OOoooh! You are so gonna get ripped on.

This has been ‘covered’ before and it wasn’t a pretty sight. It seems that for some reason, this particular subject is about as thorny as Our Father hand-holding and Holy Communion hand-taking.

It is my understanding that the rejection of head covering occured sometime after Vatican II when a reporter asked a Cardinal about it. He replied that wasn’t on the ajenda. The news spread that head coverings were no longer required, and in the ferver of the women’s lib movement, they were rejected almost overnight. This is what I believe happened, anyway.

From past threads on the subject, other female parishioners and comments from my wife lead me to believe that any female who would dare to wear a head covering would be smacked down to social outcaste, immediately. She would be accused of showing off and trying to appear more Holy than everyone else. Females can take mean to a whole 'nuther level. I’m just going to sit this one out and watch cat fur fly.

Yep! If you want to start a war, just start a thread on head-covering, tongue-receiving or not holding hands for the Our Father.
Click to expand...
I remember that thread. It was an out and out catfight. But maybe the claws are put away now, and this one might be more civil!

I love head coverings, even though I don’t wear one. I think they are beautiful, and when I see a woman wearing one, I recognize the traditional meaning of a veil. Humbleness before God. I feel no threat in that.
 
aw, thanks for the apology, cargopilot! Very thoughtful of you, and I hope I didn’t come off like a…LOL!! 😃

Yes, the whole head covering thing actually is very humbling and beautiful in appearance, to me. I do notice people at church…but I don’t care one way or the other what they’re wearing…but short short skirts on teenage girls kinda make me mad, because I’ve read that people should dress somewhat modestly to church…although, it is the fashion, so…

Oh well–to each’s own! I have never worn a veil, and grew up in an era where it was diminishing, so…I guess that’s why I wouldn’t consider it, because I just never did it. But, it does look very demure to me…like the woman truly wants to appear humble before the Lord.

Thanks again for the apology, CP!
 
It’s a sad reflection of our times when a woman who wears a head covering is denigrated yet no-one cares if other females wear short, short skirts or expose their belly buttons.
 
Eileen T:
It’s a sad reflection of our times when a woman who wears a head covering is denigrated yet no-one cares if other females wear short, short skirts or expose their belly buttons.
Click to expand...
or wear t-shirts with suggestive messages, or sporting earrings in places that aren’t even close to their ears on bodily parts that shouldn’t even be exposed, but are, or pants so form fitting, there is nothing left to the imagination, or, semi transparent blouses, or, or . . but let a woman wear a veil, and she’ll hear about it . . .
 
I never thought I would consider wearing a veil, but as time goes on, it seems more and more beautiful to me.

I don’t know if I wear a veil in Mass–I don’t want to draw attention to myself, but I think I will start wearing one in Adoration.

If Pope Benedict makes the Tridentine Mass available, and my pastor opts to have one at my parish, I’ll probably attend and wear a veil. 🙂
 
40.png
GrowingMyWings:
I think this can go here…

Whatever happened to wearing them?
When ever I see an old movie, or a recent movie, but set in the 60’s ish or later, the girls who are Catholic are shown wearing them in church.
I have never seen anyone wear one except on TV.
I’ve read a few things, like this article:

web2.airmail.net/~carlsch/MaterDei/Library/the_veil.htm

Please read it and tell me what you think…and what you think in general???

These are a few more articles…But most of them are pretty long.
catholicplanet.com/veil/index.htm
montanasat.net/rickv/Headcovering_Veiling.html#Headcoveringissue
latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm
bible.ovc.edu/terry/articles/headcovr.htm
anabaptists.org/tracts/covertrc.html
Click to expand...
I have no problems with the tradition of wearing a veil. However, at least the first article by Mr. Jack Freppon you cited seems to insist that women violate our Lord’s command in Scripture if they do not wear a veil.

Mr. Freppon stated, “In 1970, Pope Paul VI promulgated the Roman Missal, ignoring mention of women’s veils. But at the time the missal was published, it didn’t seem necessary to keep mandatory such an obvious and universal practice, even if*** it no longer had a “normative” value (Inter insigniores, # 4***).”

The Church explicitly stated it no longer had normative value. Why? Look at Inter insigniores…

The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith has stated with regard to head coverings:

**INTER INSIGNIORES, 15 Oct 1976
Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Code: 
                ...it must be noted that these ordinances [of Scripture], probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than ***disciplinary practices*** of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on the head (1 Cor 11:2-6); such ***requirements no longer have a normative value.***
Click to expand...
Mr. Freppon insists that one violates God’s commands if they don’t wear a veil, yet the Holy See says that such passages in Scripture were disciplinary practices that no longer have normative value, meaning they are not obligatory.

In my view, the Holy See has more authority in this matter than Mr. Freppon, whoever he is.
 
It’s a sad statement on how secular society prevails over even our life in the Church. As I read several of the posts here, I see that it seems easier for a woman to dress scandalously and get by with it than to wear a veil at mass. A very sad statement indeed. :hmmm:

I don’t think anyone is demanding that all women wear a veil but those that choose to honor the Blessed Sacrament in this manner shouldn’t be ostracized in their churches. But then maybe this is an indicator as to what kind of church they are attending! Could it be that the sight of a woman wearing a veil is a stinging reminder to some women that they have chosen not to place Christ and the Church first in their lives? (I’m referring to the women who look askance at the woman wearing a veil.)
I know this topic has been discussed many times before on the forums and there are those who prefer wearing a veil and those who don’t. Just a thought for those who would like to wear veils but are reluctant…perhaps a “team” approach would help. Several ladies could decide that they will wear veils to mass so that there would at least be several present with a head covering.
God bless all women who reverence the Body of Christ. :bowdown2:
 
As I recall (being one of the poster on that thread) we had to split it off and invite only those who wanted to wear a headcovering to discuss it. I was appalled at the venomous way some reacted to women desiring to wear the traditional veils and other headcoverings. Heck, when I was a kid, you kept your veil in your “church” coat pocket so you didn’t forget it when you went to mass…
What we found out last time we had a thread on this, is that there was a definite outcry for a more traditional standard at mass from most of the posters, but there were some very loud dissenters too. Open up this topic at your own risk!!! As for me…I love them and I think it looks very reverent to wear them at mass.
 
I would love to wear one, but I too feel a little afraid to do so at my current parish. After I get married however, there is a traditional church my husband and I will go to that requires veils…so I will be happy.
 
My take on veils:

In the past:
Bible said women should cover heads.
Church said women should cover heads.

Present:
Bible says women should cover heads.
Church is silent on issue.

The choice seems obvious to me, but I don’t have to wear one 😛 . My girlfriend chooses to cover her head, but she has a much more beautiful and spiritual reasoning than the legalistic one I have offered 😃
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top