Head of Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales speaks out against UK govt cuts

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David Cameron has denied that benefit cuts are plunging people into poverty, saying they actually give people “hope”.

The Prime Minister hit back at criticism from the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, insisting they were part of his “moral mission” for the country.

He said claims by the Archbishop of Westminster, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, that recent changes to the benefits system had left many facing hunger and destitution were “simply not true”.

The Archbishop, who is to be made a Cardinal later this week, defended his comments, saying that he had been “inundated” with messages of support since speaking out last week.

“What I notice in Government statements is that they are mostly cast in the future tense ‘These reforms will achieve this, will achieve that,’” he told the Telegraph.

"My concern is to echo the voices that come to me of the circumstances today in which people are left without any support for weeks on end, are hungry, are destitute.

“There must be something wrong with the administration of a system which has that effect on so many people’s lives.”
 
Archbishop Nichols is very, very much mistaken to involve himself publicly in UK partisan politics in supporting British socialism. The Catholic Church has always been wary of atheistic socialism and should remain so.

The UK Catholic bishops have made tragic public relations blunders at a time when Catholicism is so much needed in Britain.

I also believe that the original poster of this thread is wrong to post opinion pieces from the anti-Catholic Huffington Post and Guardian.
 
When I read this in the Telegraph I couldn’t help but let out a big groan of disappointment, I was looking for condemnation of the lack of support for married couples and not necessarily money support, just for starters!
 
Archbishop Nichols is very, very much mistaken to involve himself publicly in UK partisan politics in supporting British socialism. The Catholic Church has always been wary of atheistic socialism and should remain so.

The UK Catholic bishops have made tragic public relations blunders at a time when Catholicism is so much needed in Britain.

I also believe that the original poster of this thread is wrong to post opinion pieces from the anti-Catholic Huffington Post and Guardian.
Atheistic Socialism? :rotfl:

Do you know anything about British politics?
 
Do you agree with him?
Dear Truth_Faith13,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Yes, I heartily concur with Archbishop Nichols remarks respecting welfare and find it jolly hard to understand why any Catholic would not, given the climate of hostility against Britain’s sick and jobless.

Moreover, It is a chilling sign of the times that the harsh new mood towards the sick and unemployed is fast becoming acceptable and normal. Unfortunately, dear friend, this deplorable hardening of attitudes, encouraged by the ultra right-wing press, is not only very odious but is mostly basedupon isolated cases of welfare abuse which no one would defend. Thus it is hardly surprising that there has in recent times been a new dialogue with regards to disability, characterised by the unremitting drip-drip of stories inferring that the vast majority of benefits claimants are bogus and live carefree lives at the taxpayers expense. We are continually told that benefits have been doled out without proper checks and that some people have been written off just because they feel a little depressed and stressed. This is nothing short of nasty propaganda by the present coalition government, designed to curry favour with the chattering middle-classes and secure their vote on the ballot paper at election time.

How very sad, dear friend, that those who dare to defend the cause of the sick and unemployed usually find themselves being branded a ‘Socialist’ or a ‘bleeding heart liberal’. This is, I fear, is a clear sign of the chilling times in which our lot is cast in modern Britain. The sick and jobless have become convenient scapegoats in these times of austerity and that is a grave social injustice which needs to be denounced in the strongest terms. Jolly well said Archbishop Nichols - hope we hear more of this sort of stuff from the Catholic Church in the future as it is so much needed to redress the inequitable and unjust harassment of those most vulnerable members of society.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos.
 
Dear Truth_Faith13,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Yes, I heartily concur with Archbishop Nichols remarks respecting welfare and find it jolly hard to understand why any Catholic would not, given the climate of hostility against Britain’s sick and jobless.

Moreover, It is a chilling sign of the times that the harsh new mood towards the sick and unemployed is fast becoming acceptable and normal. Unfortunately, dear friend, this deplorable hardening of attitudes, encouraged by the ultra right-wing press, is not only very odious but is mostly basedupon isolated cases of welfare abuse which no one would defend. Thus it is hardly surprising that there has in recent times been a new dialogue with regards to disability, characterised by the unremitting drip-drip of stories inferring that the vast majority of benefits claimants are bogus and live carefree lives at the taxpayers expense. We are continually told that benefits have been doled out without proper checks and that some people have been written off just because they feel a little depressed and stressed. This is nothing short of nasty propaganda by the present coalition government, designed to curry favour with the chattering middle-classes and secure their vote on the ballot paper at election time.

How very sad, dear friend, that those who dare to defend the cause of the sick and unemployed usually find themselves being branded a ‘Socialist’ or a ‘bleeding heart liberal’. This is, I fear, is a clear sign of the chilling times in which our lot is cast in modern Britain. The sick and jobless have become convenient scapegoats in these times of austerity and that is a grave social injustice which needs to be denounced in the strongest terms. Jolly well said Archbishop Nichols - hope we hear more of this sort of stuff from the Catholic Church in the future as it is so much needed to redress the inequitable and unjust harassment of those most vulnerable members of society.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos.
Interesting thoughts…I have to admit to knowing very little. I tend to stay out of politics, I don’t even vote because I think they are all as bad as each other and don’t really know who believes in what. UKIP have an apparently bad rep but seem to be on the rise?

I think people who are sick and especially our pensioners are treated atrociously. The unemployed…it depends on the circumstances. I think the benefits system is misunderstood, misused in places and needs a reform!
 
Dear Truth_Faith13,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Yes, I heartily concur with Archbishop Nichols remarks respecting welfare and find it jolly hard to understand why any Catholic would not, given the climate of hostility against Britain’s sick and jobless.

Moreover, It is a chilling sign of the times that the harsh new mood towards the sick and unemployed is fast becoming acceptable and normal. Unfortunately, dear friend, this deplorable hardening of attitudes, encouraged by the ultra right-wing press, is not only very odious but is mostly basedupon isolated cases of welfare abuse which no one would defend. Thus it is hardly surprising that there has in recent times been a new dialogue with regards to disability, characterised by the unremitting drip-drip of stories inferring that the vast majority of benefits claimants are bogus and live carefree lives at the taxpayers expense. We are continually told that benefits have been doled out without proper checks and that some people have been written off just because they feel a little depressed and stressed. This is nothing short of nasty propaganda by the present coalition government, designed to curry favour with the chattering middle-classes and secure their vote on the ballot paper at election time.

How very sad, dear friend, that those who dare to defend the cause of the sick and unemployed usually find themselves being branded a ‘Socialist’ or a ‘bleeding heart liberal’. This is, I fear, is a clear sign of the chilling times in which our lot is cast in modern Britain. The sick and jobless have become convenient scapegoats in these times of austerity and that is a grave social injustice which needs to be denounced in the strongest terms. Jolly well said Archbishop Nichols - hope we hear more of this sort of stuff from the Catholic Church in the future as it is so much needed to redress the inequitable and unjust harassment of those most vulnerable members of society.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos.
👍 Beautiful post Portrait…thankyou and God bless you
 
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David Cameron has denied that benefit cuts are plunging people into poverty, saying they actually give people “hope”.

The Prime Minister hit back at criticism from the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, insisting they were part of his “moral mission” for the country.

He said claims by the Archbishop of Westminster, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols, that recent changes to the benefits system had left many facing hunger and destitution were “simply not true”.

The Archbishop, who is to be made a Cardinal later this week, defended his comments, saying that he had been “inundated” with messages of support since speaking out last week.

“What I notice in Government statements is that they are mostly cast in the future tense ‘These reforms will achieve this, will achieve that,’” he told the Telegraph.

"My concern is to echo the voices that come to me of the circumstances today in which people are left without any support for weeks on end, are hungry, are destitute.

“There must be something wrong with the administration of a system which has that effect on so many people’s lives.”
Dear tbcrawford,

Cordial greetings and a very good and thankyou for starting this thread. This is a matter of deep concern and needs to be addressed by the Catholic faithful a great deal more than it is. Whilst I am glad that Archbishop Nichols has finally spoken out regarding the punitive welfare cuts, it is a pity that, as head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, he delayed for so long. Men may respond by saying that he should not involve himself in political controversy, but surely he has a moral obligation to plead the cause of the poor and needy when they are being treated so unfairly and unjustly.

The Prime Minister, Mr. Cameron, may well claim that the coalitions welfare reforms are a “moral mission” that gives people “hope”, but the grim reality is that many poor and sick people are either loosing or being denied essential welfare benefits to which they are rightly entitled. Moreover, dear friend, many sick and vulnerable people are being subjected to degrading and flawed work capability assessments by ATOS, the French-run IT company that the British government uses to gauge eligibility for sickness benefits. This company has come under repeated fire for incorrectly finding multitudes of claimants either fit for work or at least capable of moving towards the world of work at some point in the future. Sadly, their unsound medical reports have been heavily relied upon by ‘decision makers’ at the Department for Work and Pensions, resulting in very vulnerable people either loosing their entitlement to sickness benefit altogether or having it considerably reduced, thus causing much misery and hardship.

Even when we are as charitable as we possibly can be as regards this governments welfare reforms, it admits of no serious doubt that their harsh and draconian policies are responsible for the present hardship and distress endured by so many sick/unemployed persons. How disgraceful that so called ‘Food Banks’ are now feeding in excess of a half a million people in the seventh richest country in the world? Mr Duncan Smith (Secretary of State for Work and Pensions), the most prominent perpetrator of the ill-conceived welfare reforms, accuses British charities of “scaremongering” and of having a"political agenda" when they draw attention to the plight of the hungry and dispossessed - as if his own government did not have a political agenda and a very extreme and inequitable one at that, which is why the charities feel compelled to speak out. The government’s own political agenda is to reduce public spending because it has an ideological belief in implementing tax cuts for the higher echelons of society at the expense of the welfare safety net. That is morally unacceptable and needs to be denounced in the strongest terms.

By the way, dear friend, were you aware that the unfit for purpose ATOS may loose their fitness for work programme? It is high time that the government ditch this dreadful company as they are incapable of conducting fitness for work tests on Britain’s most vulnerable people. My worry is, however, will the other providers who secure the contract really be any better than ATOS when it comes to humane and professional treatment of the sick and disabled? I will not hold my breath. The only people who should be carrying out fitness for work assessments should be a claimants own GP (family doctor) and/or his consultant. Speaking personally, I find it jolly sinister that the ultimate decision no longer rests with these health professionals, for who better knows their own patient than these people? This seems very much part of the governments agenda to have people declared fit for work at all costs and thus bring down the benefits bill. This ingratiates them to the middle-classes and wins their vote as they seen to be ‘tough on welfare’. The problem is that this saving is at the expense of very many mentally or physically sick people who are suffering untold misery and loss of vital funds. This is manifestly wrong and can hardly qualify as a “moral mission” that is bringing “hope” to multitudes of people.

God bless tbcrawford and once again thankyou for raising this topic on these boards.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Dear Portrait

You are a most generous wonderful person God bless you.

I completely agree with you in every way. It has indeed been a long time coming in having the head of the Catholic Church speak up about the vicious welfare cuts to the most vulnerable and needy. Archbishop Vincent Nichols does indeed have a moral obligation to plead the cause of the poor and needy when they are being treated so unfairly and unjustly.

Church of England leaders have spoken out in the past. It is crucial and indeed the moral duty of all our church leaders to stand up for the vulnerable…this is pro life in action.People are dying from lack of care (cuts to care visits etc through Social Services)and committing suicide when their benefits have been stopped.

I am unfortunately aware of ATOS in a first hand way. I am a full time carer for three disabled adult relatives and have a son with mental health disabilities. I have much first hand experience with Social Services, GP’s , Hospital Consultants, Elderly and Learning Disabled DayCentre Managers and Supported Living Managers both through being a foster parent and with their assessments of care to my relatives.Some of my own relatives are indeed in financial hardship.

I was astonished to learn this past week that apparently IDS is a catholic. It is hard not to judge but I struggle to understand how he can behave in this way as a catholic and I do not understand the mentality of the Government with these cuts in the way they are conducting them along with all the incitement to vilify disabled poor and vulnerable people, including to incite hatred of immigrants.

Shocking to consider apparently the UK is sixth richest country in the world yet so many are being referred to Food Banks ( and you have to be referred ) to get any basic food at all and we as a country are allowing poor people to go without and we are not helping them.

Of course all this is morally wrong. It was not the poor, of whom many have worked hard and paid taxes all their working life (including my elderly disabled mother) it was not them who caused this financial crisis so why are the people who are struggling the most being made to pay for the mistakes of bankers?

As Christians, as Catholics, as believers and followers of God, we all have been taught and shown how we should love God and love our neighbour. We have a moral duty.When we fail to help the most vulnerable and those most in need we fail to love God.

I do not understand how other Catholics do not feel then same way.I pray every day for so many people in need that I know of and for all people who need our love and support as God has guided us to do.It is our duty to vote in a government who will help people the most.Right wing politics is totally alien to what Jesus has taught us.

Thankyou for your wonderful posts dear Portrait.

My warmest love to you and may God bless you abundantly.
 
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-bishops-slam-david-camerons-3164033

Britain’s leading bishops denounce David Cameron’s welfare reforms for creating a “national crisis”.

In an unprecedented attack on the Tory-led Coalition, 27 Anglican bishops and 16 other clergy accuse the Tory-led coalition of creating hardship and hunger.

For so many leading members of the clergy to launch such a direct attack on the Government of the day is unprecedented.

This is the most significant political move by the Church of England since its Faith in the City report in the 1980s attacking Margaret Thatcher’s cuts.

It underlines the deep concern felt by the churches over the Coalition’s brutal welfare cuts which have left so many facing hunger and hardship.

In a letter to the Daily Mirror, 27 Anglican bishops and 16 other faith leaders say the PM has a “moral duty” to act on the growing number going hungry.

The intervention comes after Britain’s leading Catholic Archbishop Vincent Nichols said the Government’s benefit cuts were a “disgrace.”

A rattled Mr Cameron hit back by claiming the reforms were a “moral mission” and gave people “hope”.

But he is now also at war with the Church of England and other faith groups including the Quakers and Methodists.

n their letter the bishops say “Britain is the world’s seventh largest economy and yet people are going hungry.”

It continues: “We must, as a society, face up to the fact that over half of people using foodbanks have been put in that situation by cut backs to and failures in the benefit system, whether it be payment delays or punitive sanctions.”

Signed by 27 of the 59 Church of England bishops, it notes that half a million people have visited foodbanks since last Easter, while 5,500 people were admitted to hospital in the UK for malnutrition last year.

The church leaders also challenge Mr Cameron’s claim that his reforms are part of a “moral mission.”

“We often hear talk of hard choices. Surely few can be harder than that faced by the tens of thousands of older people who must ‘heat or eat’ each winter, harder than those faced by families whose wages have stayed flat while food prices have gone up 30% in just five years.

“Yet beyond even this we must, as a society, face up to the fact that over half of people using foodbanks have been put in that situation by cut backs to and failures in the benefit system, whether it be payment delays or punitive sanctions,’ the letter says.

It concludes by telling the Prime Minister he has an “acute moral imperative to act.”

“Hundreds of thousands of people are doing so already, as they set up and support foodbanks across the UK. But this is a national crisis, and one we must raise

We call on government to do its part: acting to investigate food markets that are failing, to make sure that work pays, and to ensure that the welfare system provides a robust last line of defence against hunger,” the bishops write.

Signatories include the Bishops of Durham, Oxford, Manchester, Salisbury, Newcastle, Gloucester and Leicester.

The Bishop of Chelsmford, the Rt Rev Stephen Cottrell, said: “Food banks provide a fantastic service but it is scandalous that in our society we should need a single food bank let alone hundreds of them.

“It feels to me we are a more divided society than even a year ago and that troubles me deeply.”

Labour’s Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves MP said: “This letter should be a wake up call to David Cameron.

The Bishops’ letter is part of the End Hunger Fast campaign – which is calling on people to fast during lent in solidarity with the UK’s hungry families.

The campaign will culminate with a vigil in Parliament Square in the run up to Easter.

The Rev Keith Hebden, founder of the End Hunger Fast campaign, said the Government was “failing in its duty of care” to provide a basic safety net…

"We must reconsider urgently the society we are becoming; the hunger we permit. For David Cameron to defend what is happening in the welfare system as a part of his ‘moral mission’, when the reality is that hundreds of thousands of Britains have been left hungry is truly shocking,” he told the Mirror.
 
Dear Truth_Faith13,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Yes, I heartily concur with Archbishop Nichols remarks respecting welfare and find it jolly hard to understand why any Catholic would not, given the climate of hostility against Britain’s sick and jobless.

Moreover, It is a chilling sign of the times that the harsh new mood towards the sick and unemployed is fast becoming acceptable and normal. Unfortunately, dear friend, this deplorable hardening of attitudes, encouraged by the ultra right-wing press, is not only very odious but is mostly basedupon isolated cases of welfare abuse which no one would defend. Thus it is hardly surprising that there has in recent times been a new dialogue with regards to disability, characterised by the unremitting drip-drip of stories inferring that the vast majority of benefits claimants are bogus and live carefree lives at the taxpayers expense. We are continually told that benefits have been doled out without proper checks and that some people have been written off just because they feel a little depressed and stressed. This is nothing short of nasty propaganda by the present coalition government, designed to curry favour with the chattering middle-classes and secure their vote on the ballot paper at election time.

How very sad, dear friend, that those who dare to defend the cause of the sick and unemployed usually find themselves being branded a ‘Socialist’ or a ‘bleeding heart liberal’. This is, I fear, is a clear sign of the chilling times in which our lot is cast in modern Britain. The sick and jobless have become convenient scapegoats in these times of austerity and that is a grave social injustice which needs to be denounced in the strongest terms. Jolly well said Archbishop Nichols - hope we hear more of this sort of stuff from the Catholic Church in the future as it is so much needed to redress the inequitable and unjust harassment of those most vulnerable members of society.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos.
I find it amazing that the Catholic Bishops who condemn cuts to welfare by government agencies who are drowning in debt at the same time close parishes and schools in urban centers of cities in both UK and the USA. Why are they closing needed support for the poor? Because they do not have money for them? I also find it interesting that governments who separate church and state when they talk about abortion or homosexual issues find some way to help the poor. On what basis other than Christian faith does a government justify taking money from one and giving it to another based on income?
 
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-bishops-slam-david-camerons-3164033

Britain’s leading bishops denounce David Cameron’s welfare reforms for creating a “national crisis”.

In an unprecedented attack on the Tory-led Coalition, 27 Anglican bishops and 16 other clergy accuse the Tory-led coalition of creating hardship and hunger.

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Dear tbcrawford,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your vey kind words regarding my post.

Unfortunately, dear friend, the plight of the sick and jobless looks set to become even more bleak in the future and I am not convinced that things will greatly improve under a Labour government. Being on the side of the poor and needy is no longer seen as popular or a vote winner, even by the left. Alas, there appears to be very few convictional politicians nowadays who are prepared to put principles before popularity.

Speaking of things becoming more bleak, dear friend, it is possible that those who have been stripped of welfare benefits, as a result of a DWP decision, might have to pay for the cost of an appeal to a tribunal. This is utterly disgraceful, for how can those who have been left with no money, or next to no money, possibly afford to lodge an appeal against a decision with which they disagree? It seems that even the denial of justice might be deemed acceptable to reduce the national deficit! Is it morally right that the poorest and most vulnerable in society should have to make a financial contribution to their legal costs when they simply cannot afford to do so? If welfare claimant’s are to be charged a fee to challenge a decision, then there is a very real risk that many will be denied justice just because they are of very slender means and, sometimes, even destitute. For some of the poorest even the small sum of £5 would be too high a charge.

One could be forgiven for thinking, dear friend, that this is nothing more than a devious manoeuvre by the present government to deter people from appealing DWP decisions. At any rate they certainly cannot be very happy that some 42% of appeals against ATOS work capability assessments were upheld by independent tribunals. Again, a staggering 58% of appeals against decisions to dock JSA (Job Seeker’s Allowance) are also upheld. Appealing erroneous DWP decisions cost the British taxpayer £60 million, thus one can see why the government would wish to discourage claimants from accessing the tribunal service. However, rather than denying justice to the poor and sick and charging them to appeal, the government need to look at the unfit for purpose Department for Work and Pensions, who’s unsound decisions are the very reason why people are moved to lodge an appeal. For example, the Work Capability Assessment, carried out by ATOS on the sick and disabled, is based upon an inflexible points system where a claimant needs to score points to qualify for financial help. However, the programme is devised to make it extremely hard to award points and the questions asked are ridiculous and humiliating. Moreover, many of the ‘health professionals’ who undertake the tests are not always qualified in the area of a claimants illness. Thus you could have a physiotherapist screening a person with a severe mental health problem. This is not only unprofessional but also very disgraceful and explains why there are so many appeals against incorrect decisions. In all fairness ATOS is not blame since the system they used has been designed the Department for Work and Pensions - in other words the government. Many are of the opinion, myself included, that the programme used by ATOS is rigged against the sick and disabled and is set up as if they are defrauding the government by feigning their illnesses. The pre-assigned rigid ‘descriptors’ set the patient up to fail because they do not give enough scope to evaluate complex health issues - especially those involving mental health. Is it any wonder that multitudes of very sick people want to appeal wrong decisions and resort to Her Majesty’s court and Tribunal Service for justice? To prevent them from being able to access the courts because of the cost is a shameful and grave injustice that must not be allowed to happen. The government must look at the broken system over which it presides and save money by setting in order the things that are wanting - abolishing private companies to carry out fitness for work tests would be a jolly good place to start. Returning decision making, respecting work capability, to family doctors and consultants is imperative if there is to be an end to expensive appeals based on faulty DWP ‘decision maker’s’ decisions.

Splendid stuff from the good old Church of England bishops - let’s hear more of it.

God bless and may you have a lovely weekend, dear friend.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
I find it amazing that the Catholic Bishops who condemn cuts to welfare by government agencies who are drowning in debt at the same time close parishes and schools in urban centers of cities in both UK and the USA. Why are they closing needed support for the poor? Because they do not have money for them? I also find it interesting that governments who separate church and state when they talk about abortion or homosexual issues find some way to help the poor. On what basis other than Christian faith does a government justify taking money from one and giving it to another based on income?
Dear Catholic Greta,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

First, dear friend, I think you mean the Anglican Bishops although the Catholic Archbishop, Vincent Nichols, has this week denounced the punitive welfare cuts. Many of the most vulnerable members of society are suffering untold misery and hardship as a result of these cuts and thus a moral obligation is laid upon all Christian leaders to condemn them in the strongest terms.

Unfortunately, dear friend, the sick and unemployed are being used as scapegoats for the reckless spending of the rich and powerful a few years back and that is manifestly inequitable and unjust. Nobody would deny that there is a deficit here in Britain, the proverbial black hole, and most reasonable men would freely accept, no matter how basic their grasp of economics, that we must somehow fill it. However, it is unfair that this should be from the pockets of those who need help most and who are struggling to keep body and soul together. The seventh richest economy in the world should not be employing punitive measures against God’s poor and the sick because of the misdeeds of others. Rather than directing all the national vitriol against the sick and jobless, the government should be demanding that those at the top of the financial hierarchy are hauled over the coals, for it is them who led us all into this calamitous mess that we now find ourselves in. What about the CEO’s and bankers - these are the real culprits against whom we should feel anger, not the most vulnerable members of society.

As a British citizen, dear friend, I am deeply ashamed of my country’s disgraceful treatment of the sick and jobless, who already have the odds stacked against them. It is downright wrong that many have either lost their entitlements completely or have had them considerably reduced. They have been mercilessly targeted to raise a bit of money to make up for the reckless spending of the rich and powerful. Many men are at a loss as to why the present coalition government think that the most vulnerable should carry the can for a financial crisis that was simply not of their making. How can you seriously defend disadvantaging people who, owing to chronic ill-health or misfortune, simply cannot support themselves financially? Surely we have entered into a different morality when we rob the poor to pay the rich.

It is high time, dear friend, that the British government relentlessly pursue greedy tax avoiders, so that the recovered revenue can be used to lift the sick and jobless out of desperate hardship and daily misery. Tax avoidance amounts to a loss of £30 billion pounds. Moreover, it is absolutely scandalous that the present government finds it perfectly acceptable to have tax cuts for the super rich but repeated draconian cuts to those in receipt of welfare, including multitudes with acute mental and physical illnesses. How is this morally defensible in a civilised society?

Finally, dear friend, none of the main political parties here represent a challenge to the oft repeated theory that a ‘culture of entitlement’ exists at the bottom end of society. If there is a culture of entitlement then it exists at the top in the form of sanctioned tax avoidance. The supposed trickle down of wealth does not occur in reality and the poor still remain poor and unfair cuts to benefits remain necessary as an act of so called ‘tough love’, or part of a ‘moral mission’ to give people ‘hope’. If there is any trickle down then it is a trickle down in the attitudes of the wealthy, namely a disconnection from the state, mutual obligation and shared humanity - in short a rejection of I am my “brother’s keeper” and a callous survival of the fittest mentality. Of the five evils that William Beveridge set out to end - want, disease, ignorance, squalor and idleness - at least four are going strong in modern Britain and that is a national disgrace.

God bless and may you and all other contributors/viewers have a jolly splendid and relaxing weekend. Goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
Dear Catholic Greta,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

First, dear friend, I think you mean the Anglican Bishops although the Catholic Archbishop, Vincent Nichols, has this week denounced the punitive welfare cuts. Many of the most vulnerable members of society are suffering untold misery and hardship as a result of these cuts and thus a moral obligation is laid upon all Christian leaders to condemn them in the strongest terms.

Unfortunately, dear friend, the sick and unemployed are being used as scapegoats for the reckless spending of the rich and powerful a few years back and that is manifestly inequitable and unjust. Nobody would deny that there is a deficit here in Britain, the proverbial black hole, and most reasonable men would freely accept, no matter how basic their grasp of economics, that we must somehow fill it. However, it is unfair that this should be from the pockets of those who need help most and who are struggling to keep body and soul together. The seventh richest economy in the world should not be employing punitive measures against God’s poor and the sick because of the misdeeds of others. Rather than directing all the national vitriol against the sick and jobless, the government should be demanding that those at the top of the financial hierarchy are hauled over the coals, for it is them who led us all into this calamitous mess that we now find ourselves in. What about the CEO’s and bankers - these are the real culprits against whom we should feel anger, not the most vulnerable members of society.

As a British citizen, dear friend, I am deeply ashamed of my country’s disgraceful treatment of the sick and jobless, who already have the odds stacked against them. It is downright wrong that many have either lost their entitlements completely or have had them considerably reduced. They have been mercilessly targeted to raise a bit of money to make up for the reckless spending of the rich and powerful. Many men are at a loss as to why the present coalition government think that the most vulnerable should carry the can for a financial crisis that was simply not of their making. How can you seriously defend disadvantaging people who, owing to chronic ill-health or misfortune, simply cannot support themselves financially? Surely we have entered into a different morality when we rob the poor to pay the rich.

It is high time, dear friend, that the British government relentlessly pursue greedy tax avoiders, so that the recovered revenue can be used to lift the sick and jobless out of desperate hardship and daily misery. Tax avoidance amounts to a loss of £30 billion pounds. Moreover, it is absolutely scandalous that the present government finds it perfectly acceptable to have tax cuts for the super rich but repeated draconian cuts to those in receipt of welfare, including multitudes with acute mental and physical illnesses. How is this morally defensible in a civilised society?

Finally, dear friend, none of the main political parties here represent a challenge to the oft repeated theory that a ‘culture of entitlement’ exists at the bottom end of society. If there is a culture of entitlement then it exists at the top in the form of sanctioned tax avoidance. The supposed trickle down of wealth does not occur in reality and the poor still remain poor and unfair cuts to benefits remain necessary as an act of so called ‘tough love’, or part of a ‘moral mission’ to give people ‘hope’. If there is any trickle down then it is a trickle down in the attitudes of the wealthy, namely a disconnection from the state, mutual obligation and shared humanity - in short a rejection of I am my “brother’s keeper” and a callous survival of the fittest mentality. Of the five evils that William Beveridge set out to end - want, disease, ignorance, squalor and idleness - at least four are going strong in modern Britain and that is a national disgrace.

God bless and may you and all other contributors/viewers have a jolly splendid and relaxing weekend. Goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
👍 Excellent post. I agree with your every word Portrait.
God bless you dear friend
 
Dear Catholic Greta,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

First, dear friend, I think you mean the Anglican Bishops although the Catholic Archbishop, Vincent Nichols, has this week denounced the punitive welfare cuts. Many of the most vulnerable members of society are suffering untold misery and hardship as a result of these cuts and thus a moral obligation is laid upon all Christian leaders to condemn them in the strongest terms.

God bless and may you and all other contributors/viewers have a jolly splendid and relaxing weekend. Goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
👍 Another excellent post dear Portrait. I agree with you entirely.

" Tax avoidance amounts to a loss of £30 billion pounds. Moreover, it is absolutely scandalous that the present government finds it perfectly acceptable to have tax cuts for the super rich but repeated draconian cuts to those in receipt of welfare, including multitudes with acute mental and physical illnesses. How is this morally defensible in a civilised society? " Indeed it is immoral and unjust!

“It is high time, dear friend, that the British government relentlessly pursue greedy tax avoiders, so that the recovered revenue can be used to lift the sick and jobless out of desperate hardship and daily misery.” 👍

"As a British citizen, dear friend, I am deeply ashamed of my country’s disgraceful treatment of the sick and jobless, who already have the odds stacked against them. It is downright wrong that many have either lost their entitlements completely or have had them considerably reduced. " I feel exactly the same as you dear friend.

“How can you seriously defend disadvantaging people who, owing to chronic ill-health or misfortune, simply cannot support themselves financially? Surely we have entered into a different morality when we rob the poor to pay the rich.” My sentiments exactly.

" The seventh richest economy in the world should not be employing punitive measures against God’s poor and the sick because of the misdeeds of others. Rather than directing all the national vitriol against the sick and jobless, the government should be demanding that those at the top of the financial hierarchy are hauled over the coals, for it is them who led us all into this calamitous mess that we now find ourselves in. What about the CEO’s and bankers - these are the real culprits against whom we should feel anger, not the most vulnerable members of society." And this sums it up…the poor being blamed for the wrongs of Business and Bankers…cruel and unjust!

“none of the main political parties here represent a challenge to the oft repeated theory that a ‘culture of entitlement’ exists at the bottom end of society. If there is a culture of entitlement then it exists at the top in the form of sanctioned tax avoidance” 👍

Thankyou for your inspiring posts Portrait.
May God bless you always. I wish you a wonderful weekend dear friend.
 
Dear tbcrawford,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your vey kind words regarding my post.

Unfortunately, dear friend, the plight of the sick and jobless looks set to become even more bleak in the future and I am not convinced that things will greatly improve under a Labour government. Being on the side of the poor and needy is no longer seen as popular or a vote winner, even by the left. Alas, there appears to be very few convictional politicians nowadays who are prepared to put principles before popularity.

Speaking of things becoming more bleak, dear friend, it is possible that those who have been stripped of welfare benefits, as a result of a DWP decision, might have to pay for the cost of an appeal to a tribunal. This is utterly disgraceful, for how can those who have been left with no money, or next to no money, possibly afford to lodge an appeal against a decision with which they disagree? It seems that even the denial of justice might be deemed acceptable to reduce the national deficit! Is it morally right that the poorest and most vulnerable in society should have to make a financial contribution to their legal costs when they simply cannot afford to do so? If welfare claimant’s are to be charged a fee to challenge a decision, then there is a very real risk that many will be denied justice just because they are of very slender means and, sometimes, even destitute. For some of the poorest even the small sum of £5 would be too high a charge.

One could be forgiven for thinking, dear friend, that this is nothing more than a devious manoeuvre by the present government to deter people from appealing DWP decisions. At any rate they certainly cannot be very happy that some 42% of appeals against ATOS work capability assessments were upheld by independent tribunals. Again, a staggering 58% of appeals against decisions to dock JSA (Job Seeker’s Allowance) are also upheld. Appealing erroneous DWP decisions cost the British taxpayer £60 million, thus one can see why the government would wish to discourage claimants from accessing the tribunal service. However, rather than denying justice to the poor and sick and charging them to appeal, the government need to look at the unfit for purpose Department for Work and Pensions, who’s unsound decisions are the very reason why people are moved to lodge an appeal. For example, the Work Capability Assessment, carried out by ATOS on the sick and disabled, is based upon an inflexible points system where a claimant needs to score points to qualify for financial help. However, the programme is devised to make it extremely hard to award points and the questions asked are ridiculous and humiliating. Moreover, many of the ‘health professionals’ who undertake the tests are not always qualified in the area of a claimants illness. Thus you could have a physiotherapist screening a person with a severe mental health problem. This is not only unprofessional but also very disgraceful and explains why there are so many appeals against incorrect decisions. In all fairness ATOS is not blame since the system they used has been designed the Department for Work and Pensions - in other words the government. Many are of the opinion, myself included, that the programme used by ATOS is rigged against the sick and disabled and is set up as if they are defrauding the government by feigning their illnesses. The pre-assigned rigid ‘descriptors’ set the patient up to fail because they do not give enough scope to evaluate complex health issues - especially those involving mental health. Is it any wonder that multitudes of very sick people want to appeal wrong decisions and resort to Her Majesty’s court and Tribunal Service for justice? To prevent them from being able to access the courts because of the cost is a shameful and grave injustice that must not be allowed to happen. The government must look at the broken system over which it presides and save money by setting in order the things that are wanting - abolishing private companies to carry out fitness for work tests would be a jolly good place to start. Returning decision making, respecting work capability, to family doctors and consultants is imperative if there is to be an end to expensive appeals based on faulty DWP ‘decision maker’s’ decisions.

Splendid stuff from the good old Church of England bishops - let’s hear more of it.

God bless and may you have a lovely weekend, dear friend.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
Dear Portrait thankyou for your detailed informative and factual post as always!

I completely agree with you in every way. The future is bleak for so many and I fear like you that even worse may yet come.

Politically many people are apathetic or just uncaring…this disheartens me enormously.Yes I agree with you that Labour seem to no longer be the party representing the poor and in fact none of the political parties as you say are doing that it is no longer a prioroty to them. However surely a Labour government would have to be an improvement from the current one…although I am no longer confident as I once was. This current government simply has to go for any hope of helping people.

It has just been announced on the BBC news that ATOS has asked to end their contract early! This would coincide exactly with your comments in your post!

May Our Blesses Lord guide our political leaders and may we vote with real love and care for each other as Jesus taught us.

God bless you dear Friend
May you have a wonderful weekend
 
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