Headscarf ban

[Hospitaller]

meedo:

But muslims women wear it to be modest clothing.

Do they wish it so?

meedo:

Its people with negative perception Like you Hospitaler that drives sometimes the political statement to kick in Its a sort of defiance against invading ones privacy. What if muslims decide to wear Pink sandals!!! i mean this is pretty rediculous !!!

I’m sure that would make for an amusing change.

Timidity:

Therefore, the Protestant majority in America should forbid the Catholic minority from wearing the Crucifix.

I don’t think you quite realize what I’m getting at.

 

[manualman]

Banning headscarves is pointlessly discriminatory. The exception possibly being the face covering used in a few places since such could be a security issue in disguising identities.

Pink sandals, however, ought to be banned outright!

 

[Pug]

Hospitaller:

Do they wish it so?.

Why do you ask this question? Many younger people have to wear clothing that they don’t like. I hated many of my clothes as a teenager (I was Christian). Come to think of it, I dislike much of my clothing now! :whacky: But I don’t want to spend anything to fix that problem.

I know several muslim women. They wear their outfit by choice. They come in different colors and fabrics.

 

[Vanny]

I could see no point in the banning of headscarves for the women- As an above poster stated- if they can do that- they can ban all religeous clothing- priest collars, wearing crosses, crucifixs,ect.

 

[Eden]

Hospitaller:

Yes, let them dress as they wish, in their own countries.

So, if they are American citizens (“their country”) they should take their religious headscarves off if they go on vacation abroad and put it back on when they return to American soil?

 

[Lance]

I did not vote because I see nothing wrong with head scarves but I don’t think the burqua should be allowed. I Muslim women want to live in a western country, they should not be allowed to wear a burqua in a public place.

 

[exoflare]

It’s just a frikkin’ scarf. Who cares what they wear?

On the other hand, I don’t think they should be forced to wear them either.

 

[Desert_Father]

It does not matter what is on the head, but what is in it. Recently France, which set off this whole nonsence, came up with a way to address their problem with uneducated emoms. France is planning to recognize certain moderate Islamic sects and pay for their education. Wonderful! Supporting a religion with tax funds is called the “establishment of religion.” It’s what our own Constitution forbids. So France, which has been notoriously not only secular, but decidedly anticlerical since the revolution now has an established, state religion, Islam. So much for Europe. :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2:

 

[Pug]

Desert Father:

Recently France, which set off this whole nonsence, came up with a way to address their problem with uneducated emoms. France is planning to recognize certain moderate Islamic sects and pay for their education.

Do you have a news link? I would be quite interested to read about this. I hadn’t caught this news.

 

[Melanie01]

To vote yes, I would be saying that my local priest and Brother would not be able to wear their soutanes, when we troup around the block in procession behind the Blessed Sacrament we would be illegal

so No! what is wrong with the modesty of it anyway…there is a mosque in my 'burb and a lot of folks wear Muslim clobber. I am a Catholic and at times my scapula is showing…

 

[Loboto-Me]

I have no problem with religious attire. I do however have a problem with turbans and swords worn with western uniforms such as police or other uniforms which use a head dress as part of the uniforms.

People need to make a choice of what profession they will get into then make a choice whether it will hamper their religious/traditional dress codes or not.

 

[StMarkEofE]

meedo:

Hello ,

This is a poll about head scarves and stuff. Hope you participate and write your opinion.

Peace

In what country are we talking about?

StMarkEofE

In the USA some secular education institutions will ban the use of any religious oriented decor or wardrobe. If the crucifix is banned from being worn by teachers and students alike then the head scarfs should be banned because they are an outward show of religious affiliation.

If crucifixes, yamulkas, and the like are allowed I have no qualms with head scarfs.

StMarkEofE

 

[Hashi_Al-Eritre]

This is sad.

if someone wants to wear a headscarf or a cross or a jewish hat, who is it harming???

Hospitaller, not too long ago, women in italy used to wear headscarfs… maybe their granddaughters dont anymore but the point is i know you wouldnt object to catholics wearing headscarfs. Seems to me youve got some discriminatory issues.

 

[Hospitaller]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

This is sad.

if someone wants to wear a headscarf or a cross or a jewish hat, who is it harming???

The Cross or yarmulka, no one. The headscarf, well, if you take into account the demand for *sharia *law in Ontario, among other things…
Hashi Al-Eritre:

Hospitaller, not too long ago, women in italy used to wear headscarfs…

But were they worn as religious symbols?
Hashi Al-Eritre:

maybe their granddaughters dont anymore but the point is i know you wouldnt object to catholics wearing headscarfs.

Personally, I’m not all that certain on that point. Headscarfs seem too Islamic.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

Seems to me youve got some discriminatory issues.

Indeed. I discriminate very carefully in everything I do.

Let’s talk about this again when non-Muslim women in Saudi Arabia can wear their own religious symbols.

 

[Tonks40]

manualman:

Banning headscarves is pointlessly discriminatory. The exception possibly being the face covering used in a few places since such could be a security issue in disguising identities.

Pink sandals, however, ought to be banned outright!

…and speedo trunks at the beach!

 

[Melanie01]

Let’s talk about this again when non-Muslim women in Saudi Arabia can wear their own religious symbols.

This is the the point I think…religious freedom no matter where you are.

 

[Hashi_Al-Eritre]

Hospitaller:

The Cross or yarmulka, no one. The headscarf, well, if you take into account the demand for *sharia *law in Ontario, among other things…

what does that have to do with headscarfs??? what does that have to do with anything in this thread???

But speaking on that, i personally couldnt care less if its passed or not. I live in Toronto, Ontario by the way. besides, the ‘sharia’ law being proposed can hardly be called sharia. Its just something proposed to handle civil issues like marriage and inheritance, which muslims already handle with their local Imaams in the mosques through mutual arbitration. Anyhow, the government canceled it.

But were they worn as religious symbols?

You think Muslim women wear it to symolize islam? Ask any muslim women why she wears it, she will tell u its because God obligated me to cover this way, it really has nothing to do with symbolizing. If you wanna talk about the headcaps muslim men wear, youd have more of an argument. And what about crosses and jewish hats? Those are not worn as symbols by christians and jews?

And again i ask, what harm does it do to you hospitaliser to see a jew wear a jewish hat or a muslim wear a scarf?

Personally, I’m not all that certain on that point. Headscarfs seem too Islamic.

so when a catholic wears a headscarf, its ok, but when a muslim wears a headscarf, its too islamic? talk about racism and discrimination. And i thought catholics were the farthest away from carrying such traits.

Let’s talk about this again when non-Muslim women in Saudi Arabia can wear their own religious symbols.

Im really sick of this mindset people have about Muslim women, that theyre oppressed and unliberated, just because they still cover their body! And until they go out in their short skirts and tanktops, theyll continue to be precieved that way. Funny… the woman whos uncovered is free but the woman who maintains her modesty and chastity is oppressed… i would have thought it was the other way around!

Muslim women who cover do it for the sake of God, because they know its an obligation by God to them. They do it to please God and seek his reward. They do it out of modesty and chastity.

Saudi is a very religious and conservative society. That includes BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. Saudi women dont have a problem covering up in public. Many of them work, many of them are doctors, teachers, investors, run businesses, etc. many of them are quite wealthy. They have the freedom to live life as they wish while still upholding their religious duties (like wearing the headscarf). Unlike the west, where many muslim women experience discrimination because of their headscarf. Thus they end up feeling forced to comprimise their religious duties and take off their headscarf and reconfiguring their entire dress code.

 

[silvano]

I dont want to offend anybody,but everytime,I see women with scarves or burkas,it reminds me of 9/11 or terrorism.I just cannot get away with this perception/anology,even if I’m aware that a very small percentage of Muslims identified themselves with terrorism.By the way,I voted that all people regardless of their creed,sex,race should be allowed to wear scarves!

 

[Hospitaller]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

But speaking on that, i personally couldnt care less if its passed or not. I live in Toronto, Ontario by the way. besides, the ‘sharia’ law being proposed can hardly be called sharia. Its just something proposed to handle civil issues like marriage and inheritance, which muslims already handle with their local Imaams in the mosques through mutual arbitration. Anyhow, the government canceled it.

The thing is though, there’s still the movement to try and erect specifically Islamic legal strictures in Western countries, and Canada is more suceptable to this than many.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

You think Muslim women wear it to symolize islam? Ask any muslim women why she wears it, she will tell u its because God obligated me to cover this way, it really has nothing to do with symbolizing…

When they wear it, it’s still symbolic of Islam to non-Muslims.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

And again i ask, what harm does it do to you hospitaliser to see a jew wear a jewish hat or a muslim wear a scarf?

I have nothing against specifically Jewish articles of dress, but I disagree with the open display of specifically Islamic things, such as geadscarves, because I disagree with Islam itself, which, to be totally honest, I consider to be a particularly long-lived heresy based on a mixture of Christian and Jewish theology. I mean no insult to anyone who follows Islam, but as a Christian, I simply believe that their faith is missplaced, and that Christ is the salvation of mankind, and I’m highly offended by the notion that He did not die on the cross, or that he was inferior to Mohammed.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

so when a catholic wears a headscarf, its ok, but when a muslim wears a headscarf, its too islamic?

You misread my post. I said I was uncertain of Catholic women wearing headscarves, because it seems too reminiscient of Muslim women.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

talk about racism and discrimination. And i thought catholics were the farthest away from carrying such traits.

I fail to see how you can imagine such a comment to be “racist”, unless, of course, you see Islam as a racial as well as religious concept…
Hashi Al-Eritre:

Im really sick of this mindset people have about Muslim women, that theyre oppressed and unliberated, just because they still cover their body! And until they go out in their short skirts and tanktops, theyll continue to be precieved that way. Funny… the woman whos uncovered is free but the woman who maintains her modesty and chastity is oppressed… i would have thought it was the other way around!

The question is not whether they prefer to be modest. It’s whether they have any say in the matter.