Healing Sacrament

[billcu1]

My Pastor used the healing sacrament on me once. He said it is not to be done again unless there’s a change in health. Now is the healing sacrament what they are talking about in the Bible where they say, “…if anyone has sinned his sins will be forgiven.” And I guess that’s mortal sin too. I am getting a endoscopy because my gastroenterologist thinks perhaps I might have an ulcer somewhere. If that turns out to be true that would be different from before. Would my Pastor accept that? If anyone knows. This seems to be one of the lesser used sacraments. It heals I guess the soul anyway. Maybe or not the body.

 

[zab]

My Pastor used the healing sacrament on me once. He said it is not to be done again unless there’s a change in health. Now is the healing sacrament what they are talking about in the Bible where they say, “…if anyone has sinned his sins will be forgiven.” And I guess that’s mortal sin too. I am getting a endoscopy because my gastroenterologist thinks perhaps I might have an ulcer somewhere. If that turns out to be true that would be different from before. Would my Pastor accept that? If anyone knows. This seems to be one of the lesser used sacraments. It heals I guess the soul anyway. Maybe or not the body.

I assume you are talking about the anointing of the sick. It is best to listen to the advice of your pastor or priest. If you have any questions about it, ask him.

 

[billcu1]

I assume you are talking about the anointing of the sick. It is best to listen to the advice of your pastor or priest. If you have any questions about it, ask him.

Yes. Anointing the sick. Yes my Pastor is the Priest of the Parrish.

 

[RCTechGeek]

For the Annointing of the Sick, this will depend on the status of the person. The sacrament will heal venial sins. For mortal sins, however, you will still need normal confession. This is why when the priest will visit the sick person to anoint, he will hear the person’s confession first. There is one exception: if the person is unable to confess (due to either physical conditions or mental conditions), the sacrament will also heal mortal sins as well.

 

[phil19034]

My Pastor used the healing sacrament on me once. He said it is not to be done again unless there’s a change in health. **Now is the healing sacrament what they are talking about in the Bible where they say, “…if anyone has sinned his sins will be forgiven.” **And I guess that’s mortal sin too. I am getting a endoscopy because my gastroenterologist thinks perhaps I might have an ulcer somewhere. If that turns out to be true that would be different from before. Would my Pastor accept that? If anyone knows. This seems to be one of the lesser used sacraments. It heals I guess the soul anyway. Maybe or not the body.

Sounds like your pastor gave you the Sacrament of the Anointment of the Sick.

The part I bolded is about Confession, not Anointment of the Sick. However, Confession IS one of the two Sacraments of Healing. The 2nd being the Anointment of the Sick. The Anointment of the Sick is discussed multiple times in the New Testament.

As FYI - the 7 Sacraments are divided into 3 categories or types:

Sacraments of Initiation
– Sacrament of Baptism
– Sacrament of Confirmation (also called Chrismation or Christening)
– Sacrament of Holy Communion

Sacraments of Healing
– Sacrament of Confession (aka Sacrament of Reconciliation or Sacrament of Penance)
– Sacrament of the Anointment of the Sick

Sacraments of Vocation (or Sacraments of Service)
– Sacrament of Matrimony
– Sacrament of Holy Orders

God Bless

 

[otjm]

I assume you are talking about the anointing of the sick. It is best to listen to the advice of your pastor or priest. If you have any questions about it, ask him.

It is also best, IMHO, to request it specifically if one is going to undergo anesthesia during the procedure. And by that I mean a general anesthesia, not a local.

It is not for no reason that anesthesiologists have very high malpractice premiums, and while statistically very few people die because of the anesthesia, statistics simply mean someone else died because of it. While prefer to not become a statistic, I have no control over that whatsoever, and once things are moving downhill, it is a bit late to ask for a timeout for an anointing.

And while it is important to listen to the advice of the pastor, it is also important to know that such advice can be easily misunderstood if one is not familiar with the general outlines of the administration of the sacrament, as the OP appears to be lacking in some of the parameters. “A change of health” is a bit on the vague side. I have not had an endoscopy, but I can guarantee that if I was alert for one, it would not go well from about the time they put the device about one inch into my mouth.

 

[Herculees]

Sounds to me like you are speaking of the Sacrament of the Sick. When one receives the Sacrament of the Sick ALL sins are forgiven both venial and mortal, HOWEVER, one would still be obliged to CONFESS one’s mortal sins within a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Vico]

My Pastor used the healing sacrament on me once. He said it is not to be done again unless there’s a change in health. Now is the healing sacrament what they are talking about in the Bible where they say, “…if anyone has sinned his sins will be forgiven.” And I guess that’s mortal sin too. I am getting a endoscopy because my gastroenterologist thinks perhaps I might have an ulcer somewhere. If that turns out to be true that would be different from before. Would my Pastor accept that? If anyone knows. This seems to be one of the lesser used sacraments. It heals I guess the soul anyway. Maybe or not the body.

Individual confession of any mortal sins is required if it is possible, before giving the Annointing of the Sick. If one is not properly disposed the grace will not be received.

Canons (CIC) state:

Can. 1004 §1. The anointing of the sick can be administered to a member of the faithful who, having reached the use of reason, begins to be in danger due to sickness or old age.

§2. This sacrament can be repeated if the sick person, having recovered, again becomes gravely ill or if the condition becomes more grave during the same illness.

Can. 1007 The anointing of the sick is not to be conferred upon those who persevere obstinately in manifest grave sin.

Can. 987 To receive the salvific remedy of the sacrament of penance, a member of the Christian faithful must be disposed in such a way that, rejecting sins committed and having a purpose of amendment, the person is turned back to God.

 

[Gorgias]

Individual confession of any mortal sins is required if it is possible, before giving the Annointing of the Sick.

Can. 1007 The anointing of the sick is not to be conferred upon those who persevere obstinately in manifest grave sin.

You realize, don’t you, that what you’re saying and what the canon is saying are different things?

To be “in a state of mortal sin” is different than to “persevere obstinately in manifest grave sin.”

In other words, your argument, based as it is on your quotation of c. 1007, is incorrect.

 

[Vico]

You realize, don’t you, that what you’re saying and what the canon is saying are different things?

To be “in a state of mortal sin” is different than to “persevere obstinately in manifest grave sin.”

In other words, your argument, based as it is on your quotation of c. 1007, is incorrect.

Of course. Canon 1007 is to avoid giving scandal. I did not make an agument. See Can. 987 To receive the salvific remedy of the sacrament of penance, a member of the Christian faithful must be disposed in such a way that, rejecting sins committed and having a purpose of amendment, the person is turned back to God.

 

[billcu1]

Of course. Canon 1007 is to avoid giving scandal. I did not make an agument. See Can. 987 To receive the salvific remedy of the sacrament of penance, a member of the Christian faithful must be disposed in such a way that, rejecting sins committed and having a purpose of amendment, the person is turned back to God.

What is obstinate in sin? Someone who doesn’t want to confess or someone that has a problem and is continuing to seek confessions. Maybe even weekly? I have had sin problems with fleshly things and have done weekly confessions. Now I do the Divine mercy Chaplet and prayers. I ask for a “clean heart”. It is a grace I believe I am being helped with.

 

[Vico]

What is obstinate in sin? Someone who doesn’t want to confess or someone that has a problem and is continuing to seek confessions. Maybe even weekly? I have had sin problems with fleshly things and have done weekly confessions. Now I do the Divine mercy Chaplet and prayers. I ask for a “clean heart”. It is a grace I believe I am being helped with.

For something known to the public it may be manifest manifest grave sin. Obstinate would be something like a Catholic politician supporting abortion. Another living together as husband and wife without marriage.

The Pontifical Council For Legislative Texts published in Admission To Holy Communion Of Faithful Who Are Divorced And Remarried a definition of obstinate persistence:
“obstinate persistence, which means the existence of an objective situation of sin that endures in time and which the will of the individual member of the faithful does not bring to an end, no other requirements (attitude of defiance, prior warning, etc.) being necessary to establish the fundamental gravity of the situation in the Church.”

 

[FrDavid96]

My Pastor used the healing sacrament on me once. He said it is not to be done again unless there’s a change in health. Now is the healing sacrament what they are talking about in the Bible where they say, “…if anyone has sinned his sins will be forgiven.” And I guess that’s mortal sin too. I am getting a endoscopy because my gastroenterologist thinks perhaps I might have an ulcer somewhere. If that turns out to be true that would be different from before. Would my Pastor accept that? If anyone knows. This seems to be one of the lesser used sacraments. It heals I guess the soul anyway. Maybe or not the body.

Bill,

You’ve been posting this line of questioning for some time now.

What you really need to do is talk to your own priest. Stop asking people on the internet questions that should be addressed to him. It’s not helpful you because you get all kinds of answers, some correct, some outlandish, most in between.

No one here on CAF knows whether or not you should receive Anointing of the Sick, or when you are or will be eligible to receive it again.

Only your priest knows that. You need to ask him these questions, not strangers here; most of whom wouldn’t know the answer anyway but are only guessing.

I am also concerned that you insist on calling Anointing of the Sick “the healing sacrament.” It is not that. It is not magic that heals illnesses. It is a prayer for healing. It is Anointing of the Sick or it is Unction of the Sick. It is put into the category of “healing sacraments” along with Confession, but it is not 'the healing sacrament."

Please talk to your own priest about this. Address your questions to him, or to another priest in-person.

If you keep asking your questions here, all you are going to get is more confusion. No one here knows whether or not you are a candidate to be Anointed again.

 

[billcu1]

Bill,

You’ve been posting this line of questioning for some time now.

What you really need to do is talk to your own priest. Stop asking people on the internet questions that should be addressed to him. It’s not helpful you because you get all kinds of answers, some correct, some outlandish, most in between.

No one here on CAF knows whether or not you should receive Anointing of the Sick, or when you are or will be eligible to receive it again.

Only your priest knows that. You need to ask him these questions, not strangers here; most of whom wouldn’t know the answer anyway but are only guessing.

I am also concerned that you insist on calling Anointing of the Sick “the healing sacrament.” It is not that. It is not magic that heals illnesses. It is a prayer for healing. It is Anointing of the Sick or it is Unction of the Sick. It is put into the category of “healing sacraments” along with Confession, but it is not 'the healing sacrament."

Please talk to your own priest about this. Address your questions to him, or to another priest in-person.

If you keep asking your questions here, all you are going to get is more confusion. No one here knows whether or not you are a candidate to be Anointed again.

Well I wonder if anyone lay or Priest had any experience with it. If it is indeed prayer that saves the sick; what exactly is the purpose of this Sacrament? Anointing the sick, and prayer for the sick is to be used together? My Priest gives me the impression he is not desiring of getting into philosophical discussions. Pastors are very busy. He has told me indeed if I need it or not. What it is IDK. I don’t believe he would answer that either, even if I asked.

Bill