Health Care Bill Question

[Sonic]

Does anyone know if the proposed Government Heath Care Bill has writing that requires the payment of a premium (like with regular insurance), or will it be free to those people who are enrolled in it?

How exactly would the proposed health care bill work? Does anyone know?

(I’m asking this question for my aunt.)

 

[royal_archer]

Does anyone know if the proposed Government Heath Care Bill has writing that requires the payment of a premium (like with regular insurance), or will it be free to those people who are enrolled in it?

How exactly would the proposed health care bill work? Does anyone know?

(I’m asking this question for my aunt.)

While it is not final it looks like you will have to pay different premiums based on your income so those that choose not to work will likely get it for next to nothing if not totally free while those who work will have to pay hefty premiums to make up the difference. There are also indications there will be subsidies funded through higher taxes and borrowing. (By the way they do not define the removal of a tax cut to be a tax increase evem though the result is the same in that any family with an income over 50K will likely see there taxes going up.) The will also create a new tax on companies for any of a certain payroll size that do not offer a government recognized healthcare plan.

There are a lot of the mechanics of the government run health care program that are not defined and will be decided by unelected administrators if this passes. Things like the mechanics of how the paperwork is processed or what is covered. The pannels that would be set up to determine what is and what is not covered and how the funds are rationed are being refered to as the death panels. These or simmilar pannels will establish a list of new things that companies will be forced to cover in order to avoid the healthcare tax (fine). I couldn’t find in the bill anything that prevents them from making the list of things the private plans have to cover longer than the list of things the government will cover.

The bill getting the most attention right now is the one going through the senate which is “H.R. 3590; Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009” That is not a typo, that is the real name of the bill that is being used to dismantle our health care system.

Does that answer your question?

 

[wabrams]

There are also indications there will be subsidies funded through higher taxes and borrowing. (By the way they do not define the removal of a tax cut to be a tax increase evem though the result is the same in that any family with an income over 50K will likely see there taxes going up.) The will also create a new tax on companies for any of a certain payroll size that do not offer a government recognized healthcare plan.

Wanted to add that your health insurance premium will also be taxable, which is not the case now.

As to the OP’s comment about it being “free,” there isn’t anything free about it. For every person who want have to pay for government healthcare, more and more of us will pay out more money in tax hikes to cover it.

 

[royal_archer]

Wanted to add that your health insurance premium will also be taxable, which is not the case now.

As to the OP’s comment about it being “free,” there isn’t anything free about it. For every person who want have to pay for government healthcare, more and more of us will pay out more money in tax hikes to cover it.

Yep that will be a big one about $5000 out of pocket for most workers.

There’s also the tax on the medical equipment manufacturers…

There are also the other non monetary costs such as reduced access to some specialized health care that is not approved by the death panels as well as a chance your personal doctor will not be picked up by the new plans as well as the chance the government will dictate lifestyle choices which you must comply with if you want to get medical treatment.

 

[Sonic]

Does that answer your question?

Yes it does (thank you). Do you have a good source that explains this? I pretty much knew about this (not enough to explain it), but was a little taken aback by my Aunt’s question. I didn’t have a source to back up what I said, and my uncle has been trying to convince my aunt to support the health care bill.

It’s one of those discussions where my Uncle is strongly in favor of government health care, and is strong willed enough to carry an argument without facts. Basically, he dismisses anything and everything that contradicts his opinions and does it quite well. He’s argues like an internet troll.

I need some good sources to back up what I’ve said. This is for my Aunt’s sake, and not my Uncles. She doesn’t have internet access, and is basically relying on me to find reliable information for her.

A good news article or nice meaty commentary would work good right now.

 

[royal_archer]

Yes it does. Do you have a good source that explains this? I pretty much knew about this, but was a little taken aback by my Aunt’s question. It’s one of those discussions where my Uncle is strongly in favor of government health care, and is strong willed enough to carry an argument without facts. Basically, he dismisses anything and everything that contradicts his opinions and does it quite well. He’s argues like an internet troll.

I need some good sources to back up what I’ve said. This is for my Aunt’s sake, and not my Uncles. She doesn’t have internet access, and is basically relying on me to find reliable information for her.

A good news article or nice meaty commentary would work good right now.

you could look up the bill I posted earlier: here is a usefull link:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03590:

Unfortunately most of the summaries are full of commentaries and one sided arguements. Many of the politicians are talking past each other by using independently arrived at deffinitions of terms such as the “creative” definition of a tax increase I refered to earlier. There are other examples such as abortion funding. The bill does not specifically provide funds for abortion but it allows administrators to decide what gets funded and allows them to fund abortion. Another example is with funding illegals. The bill says that illegals will not be covered but it does not allow for the checking of legal status, sort of a don’t ask, don’t tell; wink and nod approach. But with these weasel words both sides have at least some claim that what they are saying is accurate.

Is your uncle willing to listen to opposing information and facts or has he made his mind up and discounts info that does not fit his preconceived notion?

If he is willing to consider other information you may want to just query him on his basis of opinion and then verify those facts. Some of his arguements may be just obviously unreasonable and will allow you to just query his logic until you find the holes. For instance asking who is going to pay for it. Or if the plan just moves money from one group of people to another, how does it reduce costs? or how do they reduce costs with out reducing coverage? Another fun line of questioning is how would he feel if president Bush were to have complete and unquestioned control of the entire medical industry? Yiou may want to ask how he feels about a future administration putting an administrative firewall up to effectively ban abortion, smoking, drinking, owning a pool, etc… (this is essentially what they do now with illegal drugs.)

Keep in mind though that there is a small fraction of die hard people who see this as a way to get something on someone elses nickel and do not care about the harm it will do others or the ecconomy. There are even some on this forum with a “lets loot the sinking ship” mentality. The figure America is already broke so just take what they can.