Health care is not a business but a service to life says Pope Francis

[MT1926]

MT1926;

So they haven’t sent you a bill ?

If they do and it wipes out your life savings and the hospital puts a lean on your house, will it matter ?

For me, at age 61 when I had colon cancer, having health insurance prevented those things from happening.

If you don’t have the means to pay, guess who does ? Those with health insurance and the taxpayers and it probably could’ve been cheaper had your wife had health insurance and went to her doctor before needing to go to the ER and surgery.

I hope she’s OK BTW,

Jim

Yes we got the bills. The hospital is more than happy accepting $100 a month til we get it paid off. Luckily we have CMF Curo so once other Christians start sharing I should get it paid off.

You never addressed the fact she got care without proof of payment, which is proof she DID have a right to care. Is it not this way in your community?

I’m not sure of where you are going with the house and life savings? Are we talking about a right to have access to healthcare or a right to have money and live comfortable?

I’m glad your colon cancer had a positive outcome for you. I just hope you give your surgeon a little more of the credit than you do the MRI.

No offense Jim but you are a bit clueless when it comes to healthcare. She could have gone to her MD everyday of the week and it wouldn’t have mattered. Kidney stones just happen. People pass kidney stones all the time without knowing they have them. It’s only when they get lodged in the ureter that you have a problems and pain.

Just curious because of your comments about my wife’s procrastination because we didn’t have insurance. Why did it take so long to diagnosis your colon cancer since you had insurance. I don’t bring this up to be rude, I ask because you seem to say health insurance would have diagnoses my wife earlier when it didn’t diagnose you earlier?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Yes we got the bills. The hospital is more than happy accepting $100 a month til we get it paid off. Luckily we have CMF Curo so once other Christians start sharing I should get it paid off.

You never addressed the fact she got care without proof of payment, which is proof she DID have a right to care. Is it not this way in your community?

I’m not sure of where you are going with the house and life savings? Are we talking about a right to have access to healthcare or a right to have money and live comfortable?

I’m glad your colon cancer had a positive outcome for you. I just hope you give your surgeon a little more of the credit than you do the MRI.

No offense Jim but you are a bit clueless when it comes to healthcare. She could have gone to her MD everyday of the week and it wouldn’t have mattered. Kidney stones just happen. People pass kidney stones all the time without knowing they have them. It’s only when they get lodged in the ureter that you have a problems and pain.

Just curious because of your comments about my wife’s procrastination because we didn’t have insurance. Why did it take so long to diagnosis your colon cancer since you had insurance. I don’t bring this up to be rude, I ask because you seem to say health insurance would have diagnoses my wife earlier when it didn’t diagnose you earlier?

Without getting into details about my medical history, I’ll just say, that when I lost my job, I got health insurance via what was then, Romneycare and it was because I had health insurance, I didn’t put off my annual physical which is where my doctor first saw signs of a problem.

I’m also not clueless about kidney stones, I have family members with the problem and they’ve managed to avoid surgery due to following their doctors advice/

Jim

 

[Brendan]

So you support letting people who can’t pay for treatments at such facilities to die, because they have no right to the available healthcare.

OK I get it.

Jim

I do mission work in rural Tanzania. I have worked in villages where the only health care is the first aid kit in the parish priest’s hut.

Do they have rights to an MRI, and who is obligated to*provide the machine, and to pay for the treatment?

Is it the government?, which has no money?

If*an MRI machine gets build, who should get it? Who has the most rights to it? A nine year old girl in a remote Tanzanian village, or a 9 year old boy inthe US?

If they rights are equal,*who ships the MRI to Tanzania? And where would it get the electricity?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Brendan

I do mission work in rural Tanzania. I have worked in villages where the only health care is the first aid kit in the parish priest’s hut.

Why, healthcare isn’t a right if that’s what you’re arguing.

Do they have rights to an MRI, and who is obligated to*provide the machine, and to pay for the treatment?

They don’t have a right to what’s not available to them.

Do they have a right to have a wound cared for ?

Is it the government?, which has no money?

Political incompetence doesn’t remove the right to healthcare.

If*an MRI machine gets build, who should get it? Who has the most rights to it? A nine year old girl in a remote Tanzanian village, or a 9 year old boy inthe US?

OK, so why bother getting MRI machines for anyone. It only places a burden on the rest of society.

If they rights are equal,*who ships the MRI to Tanzania? And where would it get the electricity?

Again, healthcare that is available is a right.

Just because Tanzania is so backwards, doesn’t meant that Tanzanians don’t have a right to whatever healthcare is available.

Again, why are you there in the first place, if their well being isn’t a right ?

Jim

 

[Brendan]

Why, healthcare isn’t a right if that’s what you’re arguing.

I am arguing that it is a right, but not one that depends on governments.*

They don’t have a right to what’s not available to them.

So you are saying that Americans have more rights to health care than those in the developing world

Political incompetence doesn’t remove the right to healthcare.

What polictical incompence? Or are you claiming that the right to health*care only exists when the government is compentent?

OK, so why bother getting MRI machines for anyone. It only places a burden on the rest of society.

If a person has a right to an MRI, why would the color of their passport be the determining factor as to who has what rights?

Again, healthcare that is available is a right.

Just because Tanzania is so backwards, doesn’t meant that Tanzanians don’t have a right to whatever healthcare is available.

Again, why are you there in the first place, if their well being isn’t a right ?

Jim

I think their health care IS a right, just as much as anyone else. As such, I cannot see the government as the provider of this right, as the government only cares about ITS shareholders, in other words, those who canvote in a particular election or hold a particular stamp in their passport. Notexactly what the Pope is talking about here is it.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Brendan;

I am arguing that it is a right, but not one that depends on governments.

What if government is the only institution which can provide it ?

So you are saying that Americans have more rights to health care than those in the developing world

I never said that.

What polictical incompence? Or are you claiming that the right to health*care only exists when the government is compentent?

I’m merely saying the lack of healthcare via the government in Tanzania, has more to do with politics.

If a person has a right to an MRI, why would the color of their passport be the determining factor as to who has what rights?

It shouldn’t and were did I even suggest such a thing ?

I think their health care IS a right, just as much as anyone else. As such, I cannot see the government as the provider of this right, as the government only cares about ITS shareholders, in other words, those who canvote in a particular election or hold a particular stamp in their passport. Notexactly what the Pope is talking about here is it.

The Pope is talking about people have as much right to healthcare as food and water.

The government is responsible in most cases, of ensuring that both are available.

Those governments which do not, do not have their priorities straight.

Jim

 

[Tim_D]

They don’t have a right to what’s not available to them.

So, rights are subjective to the availability of an item? If people have no food or water, then they don’t have a right to sustenance? Is that what you mean by “pro-life?”

 

[Tim_D]

Well,make it Life.
Life and hope for all people.
let’ s add,not substract,Tim.
Persons helping unborn do not stop working hard,let us do the same for other persons as well.

This is reminiscent of John & Yoko’s “pick a cause, any cause” style activism…long on promises, short on solutions.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Viva il Papa!

 

[graciew]

This is reminiscent of John & Yoko’s “pick a cause, any cause” style activism…long on promises, short on solutions.

We ve got public healthcare. I come from a family of doctors ,including now a brother,who have served as doctors.
But I cannot think for you. You ve got your system,and no better than the people that use it to devise solutions.
I have used it mainly outside main cities where since there is not much profit,private doesn’t t care much to reach.
Our education,hospitals and universities are free. A long way from perfect, but persons if good will also serve in their professions.
There are Catholics all over the world under different systems.
Yes,I support with all my heart,our money and the available little talent we may have an opportunity if life for the good of each and all. And we can always do more.
. It is possible. It exists.
Sing Yoko Ono to yourself,Tim…I prefer to sing to a different sort of music…that one was too slow…

 

[Tim_D]

But I cannot think for you.

Nor have I asked you to.

 

[graciew]

Nor have I asked you to.

Thank you. My pleasure .

 

[Sy_Noe]

Then why not do what people did before the advent of modern healthcare and diagnose yourself? Healthcare is supposedly a “right,” we want competent doctors and we want treatments that are successful but we think that others should just provide this either for free or for minimal expense.

If your car needs a new alternator, the price of the part and an hour of shop time will take care of that. That is a world of difference from a doctor or surgeon who diagnose an ailment, opens your body, removes, fixes or replaces something that will allow you to live a full and healthy life.

We go to a plethora of specialized people in our lives, accountants, lawyers, financial advisors and so on who survive and thrive by charging for their services. I am at a loss why people think that healthcare should somehow be different.

Umm maybe because in the scheme of things caring for the sick is more important than planning your next stock purchase?

 

[Sy_Noe]

As long as private insurance rules I think human dignity will always be a secondary concern. Insurers have bottom line responsibilities to their shareholders. That is why a government insurance option is needed.

Exactly