Health Care reform from a Doctors perspective

[Steave]

How many of you have stopped and actually thought about what the reform would do to doctors?

I bet that a good majority of you’s first thought was along the lines of, doctors make so much money who cares.

Do doctors really make that much more money than the general population?

The average salary by payscale.com is 154K, what they dont account for is
-Office overhead, -45,000 a year,
-Mal practice insurance 20-100k a year depending on specialty(also makes salary ver variable)

So now we are looking at 90k a year, Their are resturaunt managers, gym proffesionals who make more money than that. Let’s retract our austenatious opionion of them.

Secondly how about the years in school, 13-17 years before they get out and on their own.

My point here is the general population comletl neglect the doctors when they think health care reform, are they not people to? Do they not deserve the right of independence from the government.

Doctors dedicate their lives to making other peoples lives better. And now we are going to put them under government control,
NO TORT REFORM?!?

IT is about time we start doing doctors justice…

Question?
Who do you want cutting into your head for brain surgery? Just a regular old Joe Shmo 2.75 gpa english major from Comunity college, who got into med school because nobody is applying anymore? We are running short on specialis in the U.S because of the high risk no reward scheme that our corrupt population has laid upon doctors.

Or do you want the 3.75 4.0 cumlade student from a real university who was number one in there respective major and Medical school class?

The way your pushing it, the cream of the crop no longer goes into medicine.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I have no prblem with actual doctors and medical staff making the money that you do. My problem is with medical insurance comapnies making big money for denying you your patients get thier care because they are worried about paying you too much, then pocketing the profits for it. I don’t want some bean counter making decisions for me. It should be a crime for bean counters to do anything other than counting the beans.

 

[St_Francis]

I have no prblem with actual doctors and medical staff making the money that you do. My problem is with medical insurance comapnies making big money for denying you your patients get thier care because they are worried about paying you too much, then pocketing the profits for it. I don’t want some bean counter making decisions for me. It should be a crime for bean counters to do anything other than counting the beans.

The thing is that if you look at what insurance companies make, it is a huge *amount, *but that is because they are huge companies dealing in huge amounts of money. Percentage-wise, they make very little, esp compared to what other companies make.

And the reason that stories about health insurance companies denying payment got so much play is that it is so rare. Most of the time when they do that, they are following the contract set up. For example, I talked with someone who said he had been paying for his health insurance for many years, when he finally needed it, they paid for his care for a certain amount of time then stopped. Well, most insurance policies have a lifetime cap–he had exceeded his, he just didn’t realise either that that provision existed or that he had reached it.

 

[St_Francis]

One major problem I read about was the issue of foreign doctors.

In the US, there are a lot of medical students who plan to return to their countries to practice. If they stayed here, they would be competing against a large number of doctors, most of whom are American. A lot of the time, Americans prefer American doctors because of language and cultural issues.

However, if we have the rate of pay go down for doctors, Americans will stop going into the field. Then the foreign students will stay *here, *reducing the future medical provision in their own nations. This has happened in England.

To me, our government is making a huge big deal about health care as a human right, but in reality we are going to end up doing something which will reduce the availability of health care in poor nations so that we can get our health care more inexpensively.

What about the human rights of those in other countries?

 

[aspawloski4th]

The thing is that if you look at what insurance companies make, it is a huge *amount, *but that is because they are huge companies dealing in huge amounts of money. Percentage-wise, they make very little, esp compared to what other companies make.

And the reason that stories about health insurance companies denying payment got so much play is that it is so rare. Most of the time when they do that, they are following the contract set up. For example, I talked with someone who said he had been paying for his health insurance for many years, when he finally needed it, they paid for his care for a certain amount of time then stopped. Well, most insurance policies have a lifetime cap–he had exceeded his, he just didn’t realise either that that provision existed or that he had reached it.

There should be no fine print, no life time caps. It would be immoral for a company to keep taking his money if he reached the lifetime cap. I don’t care about percentages, a billion dollars is a billion dollars whether it 1% profit or if it99% profit.

 

[royal_archer]

The thing is that if you look at what insurance companies make, it is a huge *amount, *but that is because they are huge companies dealing in huge amounts of money. Percentage-wise, they make very little, esp compared to what other companies make.

And the reason that stories about health insurance companies denying payment got so much play is that it is so rare. Most of the time when they do that, they are following the contract set up. For example, I talked with someone who said he had been paying for his health insurance for many years, when he finally needed it, they paid for his care for a certain amount of time then stopped. Well, most insurance policies have a lifetime cap–he had exceeded his, he just didn’t realise either that that provision existed or that he had reached it.

yor right this is a self induced panic fueled by a tabloid style media publishing myths an innuendoes as news. The reality is that no one is being denied access to medical care and we have an extremely good medical system that provides for our large portion of non working residents.

 

[royal_archer]

There should be no fine print, no life time caps. It would be immoral for a company to keep taking his money if he reached the lifetime cap. I don’t care about percentages, a billion dollars is a billion dollars whether it 1% profit or if it99% profit.

Never had a savings account or 401K? If you did you would care about percentages.

 

[royal_archer]

I have no prblem with actual doctors and medical staff making the money that you do. My problem is with medical insurance comapnies making big money for denying you your patients get thier care because they are worried about paying you too much, then pocketing the profits for it. I don’t want some bean counter making decisions for me. It should be a crime for bean counters to do anything other than counting the beans.

What do you think the government is: a bunch of bean counters. Actually, they are worse bean counters with guns.

 

[aspawloski4th]

What do you think the government is: a bunch of bean counters. Actually, they are worse bean counters with guns.

Last I checked the employer took the money out of the paycheck for taxes and sent it on in. I don’t recall the governement going to any of my employers and holding them up for the money.

 

[St_Francis]

Last I checked the employer took the money out of the paycheck for taxes and sent it on in. I don’t recall the governement going to any of my employers and holding them up for the money.

Nope, but if you don’t pay your taxes, the IRS can come and take your property and/or put you in jail.

 

[St_Francis]

There should be no fine print, no life time caps. It would be immoral for a company to keep taking his money if he reached the lifetime cap. I don’t care about percentages, a billion dollars is a billion dollars whether it 1% profit or if it99% profit.

If there were no profit involved, the business would not exist. Therefore, in order for the business to exist, there must be profit.

A business which deals in billions of dollars but which still makes a negative profit (ie, loses money) will go out of business. So, the fact that they “made” billions is meaningless if the profit is not there.

Health insurance companies have to have caps and fine print because otherwise they would lose money and go out of business. If they go out of business, then *no one *will be able to get insurance.

Once a person reaches the lifetime cap, the policy is ended; they do not have to pay any more money.

 

[aspawloski4th]

If there were no profit involved, the business would not exist. Therefore, in order for the business to exist, there must be profit.

A business which deals in billions of dollars but which still makes a negative profit (ie, loses money) will go out of business. So, the fact that they “made” billions is meaningless if the profit is not there.

Health insurance companies have to have caps and fine print because otherwise they would lose money and go out of business. If they go out of business, then *no one *will be able to get insurance.

Once a person reaches the lifetime cap, the policy is ended; they do not have to pay any more money.

I know how business works I also am of the belief, especially for non elective type of things that medical ought not be a business. Its more important that the human being lives than the business lives.

 

[St_Francis]

I know how business works I also am of the belief, especially for non elective type of things that medical ought not be a business. Its more important that the human being lives than the business lives.

And in a Catholic society, this is what happens. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a Catholic society, and because we do not, we will not have the types of institutions which would care for the sick without recompense.

 

[royal_archer]

I know how business works I also am of the belief, especially for non elective type of things that medical ought not be a business. Its more important that the human being lives than the business lives.

Then I take it you are spending all of your free time raising funds for medical care or are otherwise investing your time to help those in need, right?

 

[aspawloski4th]

Then I take it you are spending all of your free time raising funds for medical care or are otherwise investing your time to help those in need, right?

Actually Im right now helping a cerebral pulsy victim in need, who was practically abandoned by her parents.

 

[royal_archer]

Actually Im right now helping a cerebral pulsy victim in need, who was practically abandoned by her parents.

Is this person related to you?

 

[aspawloski4th]

And in a Catholic society, this is what happens. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a Catholic society, and because we do not, we will not have the types of institutions which would care for the sick without recompense.

If we have a Catholic society someday I want the right Catholics running things. Remember there was a time when Catholic societies locked up people with such conditions as autism. I do not want to go back to that.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Is this person related to you?

Nope! Not in the least. we don’t even share the same ethnic back grounds.

 

[mark_a]

I have no prblem with actual doctors and medical staff making the money that you do. My problem is with medical insurance comapnies making big money for denying you your patients get thier care because they are worried about paying you too much, then pocketing the profits for it. I don’t want some bean counter making decisions for me. It should be a crime for bean counters to do anything other than counting the beans.

Amen!!

 

[royal_archer]

Nope! Not in the least. we don’t even share the same ethnic back grounds.

Now how would you like it if the government forced you away from that activity and forced you to provide care to another person whom you felt was less in need?