Health Care reform from a Doctors perspective

[royal_archer]

So what are people like me supposed to do?

I can relate to a lot of what you said. As a teen I too was in dire straights and only wanted a short term loan to get through till I got a job and was turned down told I had to wait two weeks to apply and then two more weeks for the money but after that that If I don’t get a job they could give me money for an extended period of time. That was my intro to welfare 101. (After that I have refused to get on welfare / unemployment)

In the military I injured my neck and can not do physical labor with out extreme pain and headaches. I was denied disibility by the military, the military doctors insisted it would go away on its own.

Now for the real disabled cases, I would be nice if the government actively found jobs for people that they could do with minor or incomplete disabilities and set people up with a councelor who would know the person and make a determination if they are disabled or are not making an effort.

 

[everblooming]

How many of you have stopped and actually thought about what the reform would do to doctors?

I bet that a good majority of you’s first thought was along the lines of, doctors make so much money who cares.

Do doctors really make that much more money than the general population?

The average salary by payscale.com is 154K, what they dont account for is
-Office overhead, -45,000 a year,
-Mal practice insurance 20-100k a year depending on specialty(also makes salary ver variable)

So now we are looking at 90k a year, Their are resturaunt managers, gym proffesionals who make more money than that. Let’s retract our austenatious opionion of them.

Secondly how about the years in school, 13-17 years before they get out and on their own.

My point here is the general population comletl neglect the doctors when they think health care reform, are they not people to? Do they not deserve the right of independence from the government.

Doctors dedicate their lives to making other peoples lives better. And now we are going to put them under government control,
NO TORT REFORM?!?

IT is about time we start doing doctors justice…

Question?
Who do you want cutting into your head for brain surgery? Just a regular old Joe Shmo 2.75 gpa english major from Comunity college, who got into med school because nobody is applying anymore? We are running short on specialis in the U.S because of the high risk no reward scheme that our corrupt population has laid upon doctors.

Or do you want the 3.75 4.0 cumlade student from a real university who was number one in there respective major and Medical school class?

The way your pushing it, the cream of the crop no longer goes into medicine.

 

[everblooming]

How many of you have stopped and actually thought about what the reform would do to doctors?

Secondly how about the years in school, 13-17 years before they get out and on their own.

My point here is the general population comletl neglect the doctors when they think health care reform, are they not people to? Do they not deserve the right of independence from the government.

Doctors dedicate their lives to making other peoples lives better. And now we are going to put them under government control,
NO TORT REFORM?!?

IT is about time we start doing doctors justice…

Question?
Who do you want cutting into your head for brain surgery? Just a regular old Joe Shmo 2.75 gpa english major from Comunity college, who got into med school because nobody is applying anymore? We are running short on specialis in the U.S because of the high risk no reward scheme that our corrupt population has laid upon doctors.

Or do you want the 3.75 4.0 cumlade student from a real university who was number one in there respective major and Medical school class?

The way your pushing it, the cream of the crop no longer goes into medicine.

Dear Steave,
I am a licensed clinical social worker. I work for the State and many of my colleagues are doctors. You are not getting sympathy from me. The doctors I work with have a great quality of life. They have salaries in the 6 didgets and great benefits. The doctors live in big, beautiful homes; they drive new cars; their kids go to private schools and they take their family on trips with all their paid vacation time.

If ALL doctors became doctors because they are dedicated to making other people’s lives better as you wrote, then why are you focusing so much on the money? If a lower salary weeds out some people who are in medicine for the money than helping patients, Alleluia! I have seen plenty of doctors with that mentality. There is a place in medicine for them in America. They can go into plastic surgery. If you are motivated by money, I suggest you go into plastic surgery. Taxes won’t be used for plastic surgery procedures. You can still be rich Steave.
Amy

 

[aspawloski4th]

Dear Steave,
I am a licensed clinical social worker. I work for the State and many of my colleagues are doctors. You are not getting sympathy from me. The doctors I work with have a great quality of life. They have salaries in the 6 didgets and great benefits. The doctors live in big, beautiful homes; they drive new cars; their kids go to private schools and they take their family on trips with all their paid vacation time.

If ALL doctors became doctors because they are dedicated to making other people’s lives better as you wrote, then why are you focusing so much on the money? If a lower salary weeds out some people who are in medicine for the money than helping patients, Alleluia! I have seen plenty of doctors with that mentality. There is a place in medicine for them in America. They can go into plastic surgery. If you are motivated by money, I suggest you go into plastic surgery. Taxes won’t be used for plastic surgery procedures. You can still be rich Steave.
Amy

AMEN!!! Anyone who disagrees with this post is 3 tacos short of a combo-plate.

 

[wabrams]

AMEN!!! Anyone who disagrees with this post is 3 tacos short of a combo-plate.

I don’t agree with it b/c it wreaks of class envy, pure and simple. What was also left out was that the minimum number of years of education after high school needed to become a doctor: at the bare minimum, 10 years. That’s four years for a bachelors and four years for medical school. The last two in my example would be for an anesthesiologist, which has the shortest residency. Most last 3 years (GP, internal med., peds), radiology is a 5 year residency, surgery is a minimum of 5 and upwards of 10-12 years. All of that JUST the residency.

If I spent my late teens through my late 20’s/ early 30’s just learning, then you better believe I would want to be compensated pretty well.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I don’t agree with it b/c it wreaks of class envy, pure and simple. What was also left out was that the minimum number of years of education after high school needed to become a doctor: at the bare minimum, 10 years. That’s four years for a bachelors and four years for medical school. The last two in my example would be for an anesthesiologist, which has the shortest residency. Most last 3 years (GP, internal med., peds), radiology is a 5 year residency, surgery is a minimum of 5 and upwards of 10-12 years. All of that JUST the residency.

If I spent my late teens through my late 20’s/ early 30’s just learning, then you better believe I would want to be compensated pretty well.

Whine and snivel. No one is suggesting they make as much as a truckdriver or a Walmart associate. But at somepoint if the money is more important than people’s lives, then you are in the wrong field plain and simple.

 

[wabrams]

There are nurses in the USA who are licensed as anaesthesiologists. I think it’s great.

Just to make a little correction, the only people who are licensed as anesthesiologists are anesthesiologists, which are MD’s. What you are talking about is a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, who work under the MD’s license, but have alot of autonomy. I like them, too. I work with them from time to time and my bbest friend’s wife is one.

 

[wabrams]

Whine and snivel. No one is suggesting they make as much as a truckdriver or a Walmart associate. But at somepoint if the money is more important than people’s lives, then you are in the wrong field plain and simple.

Again, it is you who are whining about others income and snivelling for government handouts.

As to what is bolded, no one has said that, so you are grasping at straws.

BTW, you are a very rude person. You have constantly initiated personal attacks.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

No REAL American would even want a government handout.

American culture has its roots in the pioneer spirit, staking out your claim on the frontier, and rising or falling by the sweat of you brow.

European culture has its roots in knaves and serfs living on some feudal king’s land at his pleasure, and the king protecting them from marauders.

Government healthcare is un-American

 

[aspawloski4th]

Again, it is you who are whining about others income and snivelling for government handouts.

As to what is bolded, no one has said that, so you are grasping at straws.

BTW, you are a very rude person. You have constantly initiated personal attacks.

And the point I made went in one ear and out the other. The point I made has been implied all over the place around here. Read between the lines. Everyone who doesn’t like you opinions you seem to get narly with, so I take it with a grain of salt.

 

[aspawloski4th]

No REAL American would even want a government handout.

American culture has its roots in the pioneer spirit, staking out your claim on the frontier, and rising or falling by the sweat of you brow.

European culture has its roots in knaves and serfs living on some feudal king’s land at his pleasure, and the king protecting them from marauders.

Government healthcare is un-American

The cultures you mention were far different back in those days. Life was short and not very valued back in those days. When down to brass tacks it was survival for survival’s sake in both systems. I quite frankly don’t care to go back to those days.

 

[everblooming]

Dear Steave,

If a lower salary weeds out some people who are in medicine for the money than helping patients, Alleluia! I have seen plenty of doctors with that mentality. There is a place in medicine for them in America. They can go into plastic surgery. If you are motivated by money, I suggest you go into plastic surgery. Taxes won’t be used for plastic surgery procedures. You can still be rich Steave.
Amy

I’m quoting myself above, because I want to remind the doctors out there who are feeling sorry for themselves that they can still be MEGA-rich and not just a little-rich if they go into plastic surgery or if you market for high-end clientele who don’t want to use government run programs. Anyone who spends the time, money and energy to get through medical school in America can still be MEGA-rich!! Personally I prefer that I have a doctor that is more concerned about my welfare than how much money they are going to make off treating me.

Remember GREED is one of the seven deadly sins. Maybe reform in our healthcare system will help some doctors avoid this sin.

 

[royal_archer]

I don’t agree with it b/c it wreaks of class envy, pure and simple. What was also left out was that the minimum number of years of education after high school needed to become a doctor: at the bare minimum, 10 years. That’s four years for a bachelors and four years for medical school. The last two in my example would be for an anesthesiologist, which has the shortest residency. Most last 3 years (GP, internal med., peds), radiology is a 5 year residency, surgery is a minimum of 5 and upwards of 10-12 years. All of that JUST the residency.

If I spent my late teens through my late 20’s/ early 30’s just learning, then you better believe I would want to be compensated pretty well.

That envy is turning to hate in some instances.It isn’t really anyone elses business how much you, I, or anyone else makes. But for some reason instead of wanting to bring others up, they want to tear those who are successsful down.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I’m quoting myself above, because I want to remind the doctors out there who are feeling sorry for themselves that they can still be MEGA-rich and not just a little-rich if they go into plastic surgery or if you market for high-end clientele who don’t want to use government run programs. Anyone who spends the time, money and energy to get through medical school in America can still be MEGA-rich!! Personally I prefer that I have a doctor that is more concerned about my welfare than how much money they are going to make off treating me.

Remember GREED is one of the seven deadly sins. Maybe reform in our healthcare system will help some doctors avoid this sin.

No no no no no. Doctors are supposed to get rich for so much as lifting a finger. While those who can’t afford healthcare are just supposed to be content to exist in the pain they are in or become widowed because they could afford healthcare for their spouse’s prexisting conditions. It really important that that doctor can afford a Jaguar rather than a Dodge.

 

[aspawloski4th]

That envy is turning to hate in some instances.It isn’t really anyone elses business how much you, I, or anyone else makes. But for some reason instead of wanting to bring others up, they want to tear those who are successsful down.

Secrecy in how much one makes at a given job is where much corruption begins.

 

[royal_archer]

I’m quoting myself above, because I want to remind the doctors out there who are feeling sorry for themselves that they can still be MEGA-rich and not just a little-rich if they go into plastic surgery or if you market for high-end clientele who don’t want to use government run programs. Anyone who spends the time, money and energy to get through medical school in America can still be MEGA-rich!! Personally I prefer that I have a doctor that is more concerned about my welfare than how much money they are going to make off treating me.

Remember GREED is one of the seven deadly sins. Maybe reform in our healthcare system will help some doctors avoid this sin.

Some here are saying to let those who work hard to that earn the money determine how it is spent. Others here are not earning their own money and wish to compensate by taking money from those who did earn it. I would say that the latter is greed.

 

[royal_archer]

No no no no no. Doctors are supposed to get rich for so much as lifting a finger. While those who can’t afford healthcare are just supposed to be content to exist in the pain they are in or become widowed because they could afford healthcare for their spouse’s prexisting conditions. It really important that that doctor can afford a Jaguar rather than a Dodge.

And some choose to not even go to medical school but waste their time getting unmarketable degrees and then complain because their fun degree isn’t allowing them to make a living.

Those who feel doctors should give away their tallents for less than market rates, shoul get their degree and work for lower wages.

 

[aspawloski4th]

And some choose to not even go to medical school but waste their time getting unmarketable degrees and then complain because their fun degree isn’t allowing them to make a living.

Those who feel doctors should give away their tallents for less than market rates, shoul get their degree and work for lower wages.

So since we put healthcare in the market at large we are putting a monatary value on life! Now lets comeup with a formula on how we determine that value.

 

[royal_archer]

So since we put healthcare in the market at large we are putting a monatary value on life! Now lets comeup with a formula on how we determine that value.

The question is how much value do you put on your life and what are you willing to do to earn the money needed for you and your family.

 

[aspawloski4th]

The question is how much value do you put on your life and what are you willing to do to earn the money needed for you and your family.

Oh Im willing to earn my living, it’s just none wants me to. Since everything must be a business why don’t we privtize firefighters too!