Health Care reform from a Doctors perspective

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Bluegoat said:
You know, whomever that was may have seriously scrimped and done without for months to be able to afford some b-day party supplies for that child with the food stamps. That might not be the case, but you really have no idea.
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Hmm a child’s birthday party. Thats right we are only animals should just be happy we exist. Another reason I just get in my Sunday obligation and distance myself from many other Catholics. Arwen think of it this way. Buying those party supplies kept the clerk employed so you won’t be paying for food stamps for more people. Don’t be such an idealogue!
 
Bluegoat said:
You know, whomever that was may have seriously scrimped and done without for months to be able to afford some b-day party supplies for that child with the food stamps. That might not be the case, but you really have no idea.
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It is wasteful spending. Even if she “scrimped” to pay for it that only means there was excess in the amount she was receiving all along. Those on welfare should be “scrimping” luxuries shouldb e for those who earned them rightfully. But the bigger issue for me is that she was evidently openly buying luxury items with resources that were meant for substinance. Doesn’t she at least have the self respect to be shameful of such an act?
 
LittleSoldier said:
What you have written here has caused me to think hard. Maybe too many people in this country have just gotten so lazy that they want everything to be given to them. There are people in tenements that have lived there for several generations. I saw a show on TV a couple of years ago where teenagers were asked about their children. One teen, who appeared to be about 18, said he has six children. Six children!! When he was asked if he felt some sort of financial responsibility for the care of those children he replied “That’s the government’s job.” When asked why he didn’t use condoms he replied “Girls don’t like them things.” I’m certainly not saying that I approve of the use of condoms but it seems like people don’t want to take responsibility and even more than that, they do not think there is any reason for taking responsibility. The concept of “responsibility” is foreign to them. It’s been that way for too long.

I don’t want to pay for the medical expenses of a person who is badly injured because h/she didn’t bother to wear a seat belt. I don’t want to pay for a person who stuffs his/her face with food all day long and then becomes so obese that extreme medical care is required (I don’t mean people with endocrine disorders or people who are mentally ill or anything like that). And I really don’t want to pay for abortions unless it is necessary to save the mother’s life.

My Mom passed on a few years ago. She knew she was dying in the near future and she looked forward to it because she knew she would be in heaven. She told me something before she became basically incoherent. She told me that I need to take responsibility for myself. I didn’t quite understand her at the time but I’ve thought and thought about it. What exactly did she mean?

I think she meant the “Bank of Mom” will be closing soon and there will be no one left to provide the financial support she had been providing. Now that bank is closed.

My apologies to anyone whom I may have offended. I didn’t mean anything I wrote as an attack on anyone’s beliefs and/or opinions. I wish that we could really talk instead of trying to get our points across via computer. So much is lost in the translation and I have seen so much anger and defensiveness on these forums that sometimes I wonder why we even bother. We are all adults (or close to becoming adults) and we should be able somehow to have a respectful, meaningful discussion.

I think that from now on I am just going to read the posts and I will be reading them with great interest. I hope that I can learn. I’ve already learned a lot. Thank you!
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Many of us were liberal when we were younger and didn’t know better but most of us who have had a lot of real world experience have learned that enabling bad behavior does not help people.
 
royal_archer said:
It is wasteful spending. Even if she “scrimped” to pay for it that only means there was excess in the amount she was receiving all along. Those on welfare should be “scrimping” luxuries shouldb e for those who earned them rightfully. But the bigger issue for me is that she was evidently openly buying luxury items with resources that were meant for substinance. Doesn’t she at least have the self respect to be shameful of such an act?
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The child can’t earn them rightfully.
 
royal_archer said:
It is wasteful spending. Even if she “scrimped” to pay for it that only means there was excess in the amount she was receiving all along. Those on welfare should be “scrimping” luxuries shouldb e for those who earned them rightfully. But the bigger issue for me is that she was evidently openly buying luxury items with resources that were meant for substinance. Doesn’t she at least have the self respect to be shameful of such an act?
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OK. I am sorry. I said I wouldn’t post any more and here I go. I don’t think you can buy party supplies such as balloons and napkins with food stamps. I could be wrong - I’ve never been on them myself. But I do have a good friend who was on them with her husband and she told me that they had never eaten better. She said they had lobster and steak whenever they wanted.

I’ve also read a “Dear Abby” letter, oh probably 20 years ago. In it a mother said that she had been given dirty looks when using food stamps to purchase a birthday cake for her daughter. It turned out (at least according to the letter) that this was going to be the little girl’s last birthday, as she was dying.

Now I will shut up. Promise.
 
LittleSoldier said:
OK. I am sorry. I said I wouldn’t post any more and here I go. I don’t think you can buy party supplies such as balloons and napkins with food stamps. I could be wrong - I’ve never been on them myself. But I do have a good friend who was on them with her husband and she told me that they had never eaten better. She said they had lobster and steak whenever they wanted.

I’ve also read a “Dear Abby” letter, oh probably 20 years ago. In it a mother said that she had been given dirty looks when using food stamps to purchase a birthday cake for her daughter. It turned out (at least according to the letter) that this was going to be the little girl’s last birthday, as she was dying.

Now I will shut up. Promise.
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And that I will add is a loving parent. Virtues like earning, and intergerty are irrelevent in that case. If the pareent is loving they will give tthat child a birthday party and if the parentt isnt loving they will find an excuse not to have a birthday party for the dying child, it is cut and dry. And don’t anyone give me the whine and sniveling about how its their money being wasted and blah blah blah blah. I don’t know what its like for being rewarded for working hard, so by that virtue I consider anyone who gets rewarded for working hard just lucky.
 
royal_archer said:
Many of us were liberal when we were younger and didn’t know better but most of us who have had a lot of real world experience have learned that enabling bad behavior does not help people.
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OK. Last post!! I promise!!

I don’t quite understand what you are trying to say here, but I am almost 54 years old. I’ve had a ton of real world experience. If you are implying that I am young and liberal, you might be surprised. I don’t label myself that way. My language may be that of a younger person but that might be because I have brain damage. I have two bachelor’s degrees (one in Biology and one in Psychology) and a M.A. in Psychology Research Design and Statistics. I was told that my thesis was at the level of a dissertation. I have worked as a Registered Environmental Health Specialist and if I hadn’t gotten hurt I would still be doing that, on top of getting my Ph.D. in Psychology.

If I misread your post I apologize.
 
Arwen037 said:
I saw someone buying balloons, transformer napkins, transformer tableclothe, a custom cake, and bags of candy (obviously a boy’s birthday party supplies) using EBT (food stamps). I couldn’t help but think “Do you realize I just paid for your son’s birthday party?”

It’s awful the way people abuse the system. You’re right, we need to reduce fraud. Both of government programs and healthcare fraud. Once we fix those problems, IF there are still people actually in need, maybe then we should consider a greater overhaul of the system.
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I completely agree people abuse the system and more crackdowns need to be made. I have to say that in the situation you described above, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to that. Besides Christmas, that might be the only time of the year that child gets anything special. Had she been buying press-on nails, high end groceries, etc, then I would have a problem. Sorry, that’s one of those situations where my heart completely takes over.
 
wabrams said:
I completely agree people abuse the system and more crackdowns need to be made. I have to say that in the situation you described above, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to that. Besides Christmas, that might be the only time of the year that child gets anything special. Had she been buying press-on nails, high end groceries, etc, then I would have a problem. Sorry, that’s one of those situations where my heart completely takes over.
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Remember some don’t have a heart. Also obviously doesn’t have children either.
 
wabrams said:
I completely agree people abuse the system and more crackdowns need to be made. I have to say that in the situation you described above, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to that. Besides Christmas, that might be the only time of the year that child gets anything special. Had she been buying press-on nails, high end groceries, etc, then I would have a problem. Sorry, that’s one of those situations where my heart completely takes over.
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The child does deserve better but the parrents do not. My question is why isn’t the parrent working to earn the money for that? Or on the other hand if the parrents are not capable of raising the children, why aren’t they allowing capable parrents to addopt them? Or why aren’t the parrents being forced to provide for their children? The courts have no problem forcing other men to support their children in the case of divorce so why not equally force both parrents of these welfare kids to fulfil their obligations? Again, I don’t have a problem with kids having a birthday party, but I do have a problem with how the parrent paid for it. (actually the parrent didn’t pay for it, we did and we don’t even get a piece of the cake.)😦
 
aspawloski4th said:
Irrelevent, common decency says give the child somekind of birthday.
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common decendy say the kids deserve parrents who are willing to take care of them. FYI you do not need fancy plates to have a great birthday party. Friends and family are more important than ink patterns on disposable dinnerware.
 
royal_archer said:
The child does deserve better but the parrents do not. My question is why isn’t the parrent working to earn the money for that? Or on the other hand if the parrents are not capable of raising the children, why aren’t they allowing capable parrents to addopt them? Or why aren’t the parrents being forced to provide for their children? The courts have no problem forcing other men to support their children in the case of divorce so why not equally force both parrents of these welfare kids to fulfil their obligations? Again, I don’t have a problem with kids having a birthday party, but I do have a problem with how the parrent paid for it. (actually the parrent didn’t pay for it, we did and we don’t even get a piece fo the cake.)
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Well some don’t get as lucky with jobs as you do. You are defining better parents in terms of money. My dad’s parents if defined by money would be awesome by your definition, but then I’d wonder if you’d change your mind after you saw the mother literally hitting the kids on the head with a big cast iron frying pan, and the dad taking a belt to the kids for waking him up during a middle of the day nap, or the parents chasing eachother with forks and knives. You do not know the situation of those parents with their children and have no business judging it.
 
royal_archer said:
common decendy say the kids deserve parrents who are willing to take care of them. FYI you do not need fancy plates to have a great birthday party. Friends and family are more important than ink patterns on disposable dinnerware.
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I was particulerly thinking of the cake. Maybe that parent moved away from family to find that all important job that you put on a pedestal,and had no other way to provide a birthday for the child.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Well some don’t get as lucky with jobs as you do. You are defining better parents in terms of money. My dad’s parents if defined by money would be awesome by your definition, but then I’d wonder if you’d change your mind after you saw the mother literally hitting the kids on the head with a big cast iron frying pan, and the dad taking a belt to the kids for waking him up during a middle of the day nap, or the parents chasing eachother with forks and knives. You do not know the situation of those parents with their children and have no business judging it.
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:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Are you trying to say that providing for your children is somehow equivalent to child abuse???

AS for luck in finding jobs… There is some luck involved. That luck comes down to the laws of probability. You increase your odds by spending more time looking and making yourself more qualified. In doing so you set a better example for your kids. However collecting a welfare check is setting a bad example and is in some ways abusive. It certainly isn’t a healthy environment to raise kids. Look at the numer of gerational repeaters of welfare and try to explain why parents who do not work is not bad for the development of their children.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I was particulerly thinking of the cake. Maybe that parent moved away from family to find that all important job that you put on a pedestal,and had no other way to provide a birthday for the child.
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If they moved away to get a job then they don’t need food stamps.
 
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