Health Care reform from a Doctors perspective

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wabrams said:
Are you able to write a post w/o turning things into class warfare/envy?
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Actually me and a big chunk of my family wouldn’t exist if it was not for class warfare. My Austrian ancestors were from different classes, both sets of paretns disowned them for marrying outside of class. Quite frankly there is a certain part of the upper middle class thats ever growing that got theirs by less than honorable and very lucky means. I a very good idea what its like to work my fanny off, but I have not a clue what it’s like to get rewarded for it.Yes that is going to help form some of my opinions. If you are so scared of class warfare then get rid of the reasons for it, don’t complain about it.
 
royal_archer said:
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Are you trying to say that providing for your children is somehow equivalent to child abuse???

AS for luck in finding jobs… There is some luck involved. That luck comes down to the laws of probability. You increase your odds by spending more time looking and making yourself more qualified. In doing so you set a better example for your kids. However collecting a welfare check is setting a bad example and is in some ways abusive. It certainly isn’t a healthy environment to raise kids. Look at the numer of gerational repeaters of welfare and try to explain why parents who do not work is not bad for the development of their children.
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My father’s father brought home plenty of money from his job in the family business, the most successfull autobody shop in Grand Rapids at the time. But he and mom beat up on the kids severely. So there are apects of child rearing than money. That side of the femily remains highly dysfunctional to this day on account of that history.
 
But she was buying the EXPENSIVE stuff. Not even an off the shelf pre-made cake, or even cheaper cake mix. Not the paper towels to use as napkins. Not skipping the unnecessary tablecloth. Not skipping the BAGS OF CANDY. People don’t care that they are using other people’s money. I’m sorry the child has to suffer and not get the all-out birthday party because their parents can’t afford it. I haven’t had a birthday party since about 3rd grade. Why didn’t you pay for my parties since that is apparently a right?
 
Arwen037 said:
But she was buying the EXPENSIVE stuff. Not even an off the shelf pre-made cake, or even cheaper cake mix. Not the paper towels to use as napkins. Not skipping the unnecessary tablecloth. Not skipping the BAGS OF CANDY. People don’t care that they are using other people’s money. I’m sorry the child has to suffer and not get the all-out birthday party because their parents can’t afford it. I haven’t had a birthday party since about 3rd grade. Why didn’t you pay for my parties since that is apparently a right?
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I can’t help it if you parents don’t care. Remember I pay taxes too. Why don’t you condemn your own being abused as a child rather than a parent propperly taking care of their child? There are somethings more important on this Earth than your money.
 
That’s not abuse. Again, you are spoiled if you think not getting a party is abuse. And they aren’t properly taking care of their child. They are making someone else do it for them.

And it doesn’t count as paying taxes if you get more money back whether in returns or in aid than you pay. And you at least want it that way.
 
Arwen037 said:
That’s not abuse. Again, you are spoiled if you think not getting a party is abuse. And they aren’t properly taking care of their child. They are making someone else do it for them.

And it doesn’t count as paying taxes if you get more money back whether in returns or in aid than you pay. And you at least want it that way.
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Im not going into the chopping wood and mowing lawns on 100 degreed days again. I was not spoiled. Oh yes I neglected to mention getting my fanny kicked if I was too slow. As far as abuse what I mentioned is emotional abuse and neglect. Yes they are taking care of their child, they lit the candles and sang happy birthday to their child not you! If you are so anti birthday why don’t you join the Jehovah’s witnesses! You’d be a perfect fit.
 
I’m not anti-birthday. I’m anti paying for expensive party supplies for someone’s birthday who I don’t know. You can have a birthday without those things she bought. She can also get a job and pay for them herself.
 
royal_archer said:
The child does deserve better but the parrents do not. My question is why isn’t the parrent working to earn the money for that? Or on the other hand if the parrents are not capable of raising the children, why aren’t they allowing capable parrents to addopt them? Or why aren’t the parrents being forced to provide for their children? The courts have no problem forcing other men to support their children in the case of divorce so why not equally force both parrents of these welfare kids to fulfil their obligations? Again, I don’t have a problem with kids having a birthday party, but I do have a problem with how the parrent paid for it. (actually the parrent didn’t pay for it, we did and we don’t even get a piece of the cake.)😦
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Wow.

Just wow. THis has to be one of the most un-Christian - maybe even anti-Christian, things I have ever read. Wow.
 
Arwen037 said:
I’m not anti-birthday. I’m anti paying for expensive party supplies for someone’s birthday who I don’t know. You can have a birthday without those things she bought. She can also get a job and pay for them herself.
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Have you checked the econemy lately? Iv’e sent out hundreds maybe thousands of resumes trying to get a job. Life still goes on, especially when it is of a child. All I hear out of you is I I I I I I this I that My money my money my money. Iv’e heard broken records less repetitious than you. I worked hard and never got anything I want, so what makes you so special that your hard works should get you what you want?
 
If you think it is a child’s right to have a birthday and the parents can’t provide that, then maybe they shouldn’t have a kid. If you think that not providing a party doesn’t make a parent bad, then it isn’t a right, and then there is no reason others should have to provide the party. How is that un-Christian?
 
Arwen037 said:
If you think it is a child’s right to have a birthday and the parents can’t provide that, then maybe they shouldn’t have a kid. If you think that not providing a party doesn’t make a parent bad, then it isn’t a right, and then there is no reason others should have to provide the party. How is that un-Christian?
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Things change over timer. Parents get down sized the econemy gets bad. I actually didn’t have children because of being poor and downtrodden, and also on account of my wife’s physical health issues and emotional instability. But according to my parents I’m going to Hell because I didn’t have children. But what you are proposing is punishing the child for the parent’s misfortune. There is something that transcends rights called decency. You can put away your worys for a few minutes and show a little common decency with a parent wating to give a child a little birthday. Millions of dollars get given carteblanche to Islamic terrist nations that hate us, and your fret over a few bucks for a childs birthday. There is an old saying that needs to be revived in our society urgently. " If you cling to your pennies you will loose your dollars". Noone can be perfectly both dollar wise and penny smart. Sweating the small stuff makes you to look petty.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Have you checked the econemy lately? Iv’e sent out hundreds maybe thousands of resumes trying to get a job. Life still goes on, especially when it is of a child. All I hear out of you is I I I I I I this I that My money my money my money. Iv’e heard broken records less repetitious than you. I worked hard and never got anything I want, so what makes you so special that your hard works should get you what you want?
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I assume you mean thousands per week, right?
 
aspawloski4th said:
Things change over timer. Parents get down sized the econemy gets bad. I actually didn’t have children because of being poor and downtrodden, and also on account of my wife’s physical health issues and emotional instability. But according to my parents I’m going to Hell because I didn’t have children. But what you are proposing is punishing the child for the parent’s misfortune. There is something that transcends rights called decency. You can put away your worys for a few minutes and show a little common decency with a parent wating to give a child a little birthday. Millions of dollars get given carteblanche to Islamic terrist nations that hate us, and your fret over a few bucks for a childs birthday. There is an old saying that needs to be revived in our society urgently. " If you cling to your pennies you will loose your dollars". Noone can be perfectly both dollar wise and penny smart. Sweating the small stuff makes you to look petty.
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Those who are not vigilant enough to take care of the small stuff will always have a hard time finding sustained employment.
 
royal_archer said:
I assume you mean thousands per week, right?
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Hmm interesting, Id like to have, but I don’t have the money for that much gas i my car or that many stamps. This is CAF not open mic night at the improv. Keep your day job.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Hmm interesting, Id like to have, but I don’t have the money for that much gas i my car or that many stamps. This is CAF not open mic night at the improv. Keep your day job.
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With the internet it is easy to apply for hundreds of jobs in an afternoon. If you spend every waking hour searching for jobs there is no reason you should not be able to apply for over a thousand a week. (no reason other than laziness)
 
royal_archer said:
With the internet it is easy to apply for hundreds of jobs in an afternoon. If you spend every waking hour searching for jobs there is no reason you should not be able to apply for over a thousand a week. (no reason other than laziness)
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Well ,actually I wasn’t addressing the time factor at all. There have to be 1000’s of jobs that Id have some qualification for ( based on education or work history) to apply at. But guess what! We are in a depression, there isn’t!
 
aspawloski4th said:
Well ,actually I wasn’t addressing the time factor at all. There have to be 1000’s of jobs that Id have some qualification for ( based on education or work history) to apply at. But guess what! We are in a depression, there isn’t!
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a little hint: apply for any job you may be remotely qualified for. When people fill out those job descriptions they are looking for a perfect candidate but are usually willing to hire someone with less qualifications if they find someone who seems concientious. (You know, the type of people who don’t slack off and ignore the small stuff.)
 
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