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ComputerGeek25
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Because the federal government is horribly broken (yet people want it to run healthcare)
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royal_archer
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800 per month is cheep but it also pays for many people who choose not to pay for their own health insurance.Yes, the very same government. I am counting on getting Medicare from a government that believes taxpayers should pay for murdering children. Do you understand now why I am confused? Why I am angry? Why I get into the abortion debates here on CAF and I feel like a dog with a chew toy and I’m trying my best to hold onto that toy and on the other end is a government that doesn’t seem to understand why that toy is so important to me? I FIGHT for the rights of the unborn.
Am I being a hypocrite for asking for Medicare? If you say “yes” you are correct. I am a hypocrite. I am also ill and I can’t afford the $800 a month my employer expects me to pay for basic health coverage.
We need to change that. We CAN’T ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO PASS ANY SORT OF NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN WHICH COVERS ABORTION (except in cases where the mother’s life is at stake, per the Catechism of the Catholic Church).
At least you get to use medicare. I have been paying for it for years but am not allowed to use it.
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LittleSoldier
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I edited my post. Yes, you are exactly right. It is horribly broken. So what do we do?Because the federal government is horribly broken (yet people want it to run healthcare)
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royal_archer
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It is their citizens.Why? It’s not their problem. These people are not in their country. Why should they pay?
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wabrams
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If you don’t mind me asking: how old are you? The attitude by the ER staff sounds more reminiscent of the 1980’s through mid-90’s than today.Without the government I would be dead. If doctors could refuse treating me, they would. I’ve waited in a ER for them to find a ‘gay friendly’ doctor, because no one else wanted to touch me, because they assumed I had HIV (I don’t).
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royal_archer
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Actually I don’t care about money. I am more interested in freedom.Unfortunately yes, while it has to do with insurance (Whether the government will pay for it or not) it’s moot. Insurance companies pay for it, more or less all of them. Likely you are insured by a private company that pays for abortions. It’s in their best interest, as abortion is cheaper than a birth. Money seems to be all you care about, so don’t you understand that? Abortion==cheaper.
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ComputerGeek25
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I think we need to take a look at current laws on the books.I edited my post. Yes, you are exactly right. It is horribly broken. So what do we do?
We need to eliminate/modify laws that make it hard/expensive to get health care/insurance.
We need to possibly boot, or seriously cut back benefits of able bodies adults, who are collecting government benefits. One idea I’ve had is why can’t we use these people to dig ditches or something?
Along with this, we need people to look more carefully at cases like pathia, who are chronically ill, and are in real need of help.
We need to look at the tax code, to make it more fair and simpler.
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pathia
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My freedoms in this country are to 1.) Go on disability 2.) Try to leave.Actually I don’t care about money. I am more interested in freedom.
Some freedom
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pathia
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29If you don’t mind me asking: how old are you? The attitude by the ER staff sounds more reminiscent of the 1980’s through mid-90’s than today.
The attitudes towards/about transsexuals lags about 10-15years or so behind attitudes towards/about gay/lesbians. It doesn’t matter that I have an intersex history, I have a T stamped on my forehead and in my medical records, they don’t give a damn about anything else.
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LittleSoldier
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I don’t think you understand. I don’t have Medicare. I can’t use it because I don’t have it. Do you really think $800 a month is cheap for insurance?800 per month is cheep but it also pays for many people who choose not to pay for their own health insurance.
At least you get to use medicare. I have been paying for it for years but am not allowed to use it.
Let me tell you what happened to me. I worked for the government - not the federal government, but a county government. I was injured on the job. I was injured while protecting the health of people like you. And I have absolutely no complaint about my job. I did what I did because I wanted to help people and I believe that I did help people. I took an oath when I was hired and I didn’t take that oath lightly.
My injury was not my fault. It wasn’t really anybody’s fault. People fall all the time. I fell. I fell and the top half of my body went one way and the bottom half went the other way. I felt something rip near my spine but it didn’t hurt. It just felt weird. I also smacked my arm so hard on a counter corner that it might have been broken (it wasn’t).
I mistakenly thought that my employer would take care of me, as it was an on-the-job injury. What they did was cut my salary in half, drop my dental and vision health coverage completely, and tell me I had to pay for my health coverage. I am living on much less than half of what I would be earning today if I could be at my job. I cannot afford $800 a month.
You know, I find it rather funny that people so often complain about government employees. We are supposed to be paid so well and have these wonderful benefits and it isn’t true. We get a lot of holidays off. That’s it. We never had bottled water or a Christmas bonus or even a Christmas party. If we wanted coffee we paid for it ourselves.
After I lost my job the employees in my department were given a huge raise. I will never see a penny of that because I was already injured. I guess I should have planned that injury better.
I made mistakes. I should have had mortgage insurance and I recommend that everyone get it because you might end up like me if you don’t. I lost my house. I had to declare bankruptcy. And I had to fight for every penny I got from workers’ comp. One more injury and I will lose my entire workers’ comp settlement. I’m currently addicted to methadone and trying my best to get off it and onto the medical marijuana plan, which BTW has a nice little application fee of $100.
I’m glad that you can afford $800 a month for insurance. But if you think that people who are injured can afford that you are probably wrong. I can’t afford it. Do you understand? I can’t afford it. It’s not supposed to be like this. It’s wrong and other people are hurt much worse than me and it’s just not right.
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royal_archer
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It is sad that you can’t see the many other blessings of freedom.My freedoms in this country are to 1.) Go on disability 2.) Try to leave.
Some freedom
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royal_archer
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I didn’t say it was affordable, I said it was cheep, mine is around 1200 a month.I don’t think you understand. I don’t have Medicare. I can’t use it because I don’t have it. Do you really think $800 a month is cheap for insurance?
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LittleSoldier
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I agree.I think we need to take a look at current laws on the books.
We need to eliminate/modify laws that make it hard/expensive to get health care/insurance.
We need to possibly boot, or seriously cut back benefits of able bodies adults, who are collecting government benefits. One idea I’ve had is why can’t we use these people to dig ditches or something?
Along with this, we need people to look more carefully at cases like pathia, who are chronically ill, and are in real need of help.
We need to look at the tax code, to make it more fair and simpler.
Do you think that there shouldn’t be any sort of national health coverage? I guess what I’m asking is your opinion on state health coverage. In Oregon it’s closed unless one has a dependent. So someone like Pathia (assuming he/she doesn’t have a dependent) is simply out of luck. Yet I see my relatively able bodied neighbor abuse the system. He has a few health problems. He needed knee surgery. It was provided free. He got free dentures and he collects food stamps. He pays no rent because he moved in with his parents. He works and collects money under the table. He pays no taxes. He has no driver’s license so he pays no auto insurance and he gets rides with people who are afraid to say no to him. I see him abuse the system and it really angers me when I read posts from someone like Pathia who really needs help and can’t get it, but my neighbor has no problem and boasts about his free health care.
I’m in the middle - I guess most people would think me poor and I do have health insurance problems. Right now I have a $5000 a year deductible and meds don’t count towards the deductible. Medicare is my hope. I pay my premiums and I also pay for 100% of my health costs. I only have two choices from my employer. It’s not like I can pick and choose. If I could get Kaiser I would grab it and if I don’t get Medicare I’m probably going to have to sell my house and move to California where I will be eligible for Kaiser. I don’t want to do that but at least I have that option. Too many people don’t.
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LittleSoldier
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Is that for you alone or is that for you and your dependents? If I had two dependents mine would be approximately $1900 a month.I didn’t say it was affordable, I said it was cheep, mine is around 1200 a month.
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LittleSoldier
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Oh wow. How un-Christian can you be? I have never seen such a cruel post to someone. Never.It is sad that you can’t see the many other blessings of freedom.
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pathia
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OK, so maybe I have the freedom to die, oh wait, no that’s illegal in most states. What freedoms do I have? I can’t work anymore, that was taken from me, I can’t walk, that was taken from me. ALl because I can’t get chronic health care. My life is ruined,I don’t even know why I bother getting up in the morning anymore.It is sad that you can’t see the many other blessings of freedom.
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royal_archer
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That is the problem, there are so many leaching off the system that the help isn’t getting to those who need it. If we could keep our resources adn give them to those who need the resources, then we could actually help more people.I agree.
Do you think that there shouldn’t be any sort of national health coverage? I guess what I’m asking is your opinion on state health coverage. In Oregon it’s closed unless one has a dependent. So someone like Pathia (assuming he/she doesn’t have a dependent) is simply out of luck. Yet I see my relatively able bodied neighbor abuse the system. He has a few health problems. He needed knee surgery. It was provided free. He got free dentures and he collects food stamps. He pays no rent because he moved in with his parents. He works and collects money under the table. He pays no taxes. He has no driver’s license so he pays no auto insurance and he gets rides with people who are afraid to say no to him. I see him abuse the system and it really angers me when I read posts from someone like Pathia who really needs help and can’t get it, but my neighbor has no problem and boasts about his free health care.
I’m in the middle - I guess most people would think me poor and I do have health insurance problems. Right now I have a $5000 a year deductible and meds don’t count towards the deductible. Medicare is my hope. I pay my premiums and I also pay for 100% of my health costs. I only have two choices from my employer. It’s not like I can pick and choose. If I could get Kaiser I would grab it and if I don’t get Medicare I’m probably going to have to sell my house and move to California where I will be eligible for Kaiser. I don’t want to do that but at least I have that option. Too many people don’t.
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pathia
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How many people are you covering with that? What’s your deductible? What’s your deductible on prescription drugs?I didn’t say it was affordable, I said it was cheep, mine is around 1200 a month.
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St_Francis
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I was under the impression that Pathia would be eligible for some form of medical aid if she was declared disabled, and I believe she mentioned elsewhere that she could be so declared.If Pathia were in my situation he/she would find out that Social Security automatically denies most claims twice and forces the injured person to hire an attorney who takes his/her cut. I am in this position now. I have been trying to get Social Security for over fifteen years. I don’t care about the money. It’s the Medicare I want and need.
My state health insurance program is not accepting anyone unless they have a dependent. If Pathia does not have a dependent he/she will not be eligible. Period. End of story. Pathia can leave the state or die in the gutter. The State of Oregon will do nothing for Pathia except provide him/her with emergency care. If the state provided preventive care Pathia would not need emergency care. Emergency care here is extremely expensive and it will take every last cent Pathia has, even in a Catholic hospital. I owe a Catholic hospital $2,000 for five stitches in my hand. Next time I’ll just glue my hand back together. I’m not kidding.
If the government hired people that actually could think and took their suggestions seriously, the government would understand that providing people like Pathia with preventive care would be much less expensive than paying for emergency care. Pathia would be provided with the care he/she needs. The government would be spending less money for Pathia’s care. It’s a win-win situation. Why isn’t this happening?
Could it be that the federal government is a bloated bureaucracy with so much pork and so little ethics that it can’t be done? Is it because the people who make the decisions have never lived on the streets or have been removed from the way most people in this country live for such a long time that they have lost touch with those they represent? Is it going to be run like most government programs; i.e. losing money, taking bribes, immoral, unethical? I think so.
I thought that getting medical aid like that would be tied to getting early Social Security because that seems to be the way it is in my state. One of my neighbors gets SSS and medical due to a disability.
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royal_archer
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There are sunrises, coffee, TV, flowers, etc. etc. etc. Too much good in the world to pass up.OK, so maybe I have the freedom to die, oh wait, no that’s illegal in most states. What freedoms do I have? I can’t work anymore, that was taken from me, I can’t walk, that was taken from me. ALl because I can’t get chronic health care. My life is ruined,I don’t even know why I bother getting up in the morning anymore.
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