Health Care reform from a Doctors perspective

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I don’t want my money going to big defense contractors. That doesn’t change the fact that people are screwed over to the point of poverty and decreased lifespan. It is unjust.
I know this is going to get me flamed.

You do realize, that the Constitution clear does grant the powers of protection to the Federal government. However, many social programs are more of a gray area. [Whether this is correct or not is can be debated and there is a process for amending the constitution]
 
I know this is going to get me flamed.

You do realize, that the Constitution clear does grant the powers of protection to the Federal government. However, many social programs are more of a gray area. [Whether this is correct or not is can be debated and there is a process for amending the constitution]
Due to the 1933 war powers act the constitution is null and void. We have excutive orders in its place. Along with money printed out of thin air. Why are you bother with a document that is dead? I don’t care about the constitution I care about her well being, thats a bit more important.
 
Lighten up; you may not agree with his viewpoints, but to attack him b/c he made a comment about his post # is just grabbing at straws on your part.
I don’t think I’m grasping at straws. What I see is that someone is bullying someone else by side-stepping questions and putting the post in about the post count is just another way to side-step the issue IMHO.

I understand your point and I usually don’t react the way I did. I was emotionally involved in an important debate and when I see someone being bullied I react. I agree that it may have been a poor decision to post what I did re that particular post. But as a human being I make mistakes. And I’m not even sure it was a mistake.

I’m not attacking Royal Archer. I am judging his/her actions. What I see is bullying, goading and provoking.

But I also see your side and I will try my best to lighten up a bit. I guess I get angry when I see what I perceive as an attack on someone else. It doesn’t bother me very much when people attack me, but to bully another person hits one of my buttons. The poster that Royal Archer was “bullying” (IMHO) is ill and most likely in pain. He/she didn’t deserve what he/she was told by Royal Archer. That was my issue - not the issue of national health coverage. I don’t even have a position of national health care.
 
Most malpractice is a result of quackery, bad attitudes or not paying attention to the patient. I have a quarter centruy of story from a grandmother who was a nurse on the intermediate floor of a local hospital. Practicing correct medicine in most cases is not that tough to know what to do with most cases.
Most malpractice is b/c the patient is mad the doctor didn’t perform a miracle or some such nonsense.
 
Most malpractice is b/c the patient is mad the doctor didn’t perform a miracle or some such nonsense.
I can tell you about a next door neighbor to my grandma having his skin turn blue before her verys eyes( the grandma who was an RN for many years). My grandma knowing it was a heart attack, and the man’s doctor saying it isnt a heart attack then the man dying of guess what!!! A heart attack, and the doctor getting off scot free. Sorry that family should of been compesated for pain and suffering, because from the symptoms described to me even I knew it was a heart attack. The bad thing is that doctor was my other grandma’s doctor for years and allowed her diebetes to go unchecked. yes this stuff happens everyday! If there is no monatary punishment there is no incentive for these quacks to get their act together.
 
I can tell you about a next door neighbor to my grandma having his skin turn blue before her verys eyes( the grandma who was an RN for many years). My grandma knowing it was a heart attack, and the man’s doctor saying it isnt a heart attack then the man dying of guess what!!! A heart attack, and the doctor getting off scot free. Sorry that family should of been compesated for pain and suffering, because from the symptoms described to me even I knew it was a heart attack. The bad thing is that doctor was my other grandma’s doctor for years and allowed her diebetes to go unchecked. yes this stuff happens everyday! If there is no monatary punishment there is no incentive for these quacks to get their act together.
For every one case of quackery there is 20 cases of patients ticked off b/c their doc didn’t perform a miracle or they had an expected complication from surgery.
 
Most malpractice is a result of quackery, bad attitudes or not paying attention to the patient. I have a quarter centruy of story from a grandmother who was a nurse on the intermediate floor of a local hospital. Practicing correct medicine in most cases is not that tough to know what to do with most cases.
Whoop-de-doo about your grandmother. I’m tired of hearing about your grandmother. She is not a practicing nurse now, she has Alzheimers and can’t comment on the current situation. What one nurse saw years ago is not a good basis for forming an opinion of the ENTIRE medical community. Besides, it’s double hearsay. It’s your memory of stories she told you. The fact she used to work as a nurse doesn’t make you an expert. My mother was an cardiac nurse for 20 years. And that’s just her cardiac time. So my mom has more experience. Does that mean her views win? What about her friend who has been a nurse even longer?

Yeah, and in most cases nothing goes wrong. But the news doesn’t pick the story up every time a doctor does his job right. Here’s a quote " 18 percent of thedoctors insured by the company accounted for all of its payments to injured patients or their families" saynotocaps.org/newsarticles/Small%20Percentage%20of%20Doctors.html That was just the first one I found, but it makes my point plenty clear.

Doctors aren’t perfect. Did you ever make any kind of mistake when you worked? I bet you made at least one.

No, not every doctor is a great doctor, but most do their best. I’m glad that most doctors are good enough people that they’d even treat someone like you who has nothing but a mean spirit for them.

And people calm down. It’s been what, less than 5 hours since you pointed out RA hadn’t answered your question and you’re saying it’s because they are too preoccupied by business. Maybe they’re just spending time with their family. Try to be more charitable than you accuse us of being, otherwise you have no ground to stand on.
 
I do b/c freedom isn’t free.
Healthcare either. Government uses our money for war and subsidies for big business. How about using just a little of it for the regular folk. If you look up how much, it is really a little. Not by tenths of years cost, look it up year to year, for ten years if you want.

God bless you,
 
Healthcare either. Government uses our money for war and subsidies for big business. How about using just a little of it for the regular folk. If you look up how much, it is really a little. Not by tenths of years cost, look it up year to year, for ten years if you want.

God bless you,
Let’s only use it for what the Constitution allows and let the regular folk keep more. Overhaul Medicare and Medicaid and be done with it.
 
Healthcare either. Government uses our money for war and subsidies for big business. How about using just a little of it for the regular folk. If you look up how much, it is really a little. Not by tenths of years cost, look it up year to year, for ten years if you want.

God bless you,
I agree with the subsidies for big business, however, the consitution clearly gives the right to the Federal government to have a military.
 
I was under the impression that Pathia would be eligible for some form of medical aid if she was declared disabled, and I believe she mentioned elsewhere that she could be so declared.

I thought that getting medical aid like that would be tied to getting early Social Security because that seems to be the way it is in my state. One of my neighbors gets SSS and medical due to a disability.
The only reason why I qualify for being disabled is because a lack of affordable chronic care has disabled me. I wouldn’t be disabled if I didn’t have problems finding long term treatment plans for my conditions. Even so, it’s unlikely I will get medicaid/care or get those long term things treated. Everything that’s done to me is experiment, because my condition doesn’t even really have a name, I require specialists. A full time job with a group plan would cover this, but now I’m too sick and having issues walking, again I can’t afford physical therapy either, so I don’t know how much better I’m going to get.

I essentially had a stroke, I will have more. As far as I’m concerned, death would be a kindness now. My life is over, ruined, I have nothing to live for anymore.
 
Whoop-de-doo about your grandmother. I’m tired of hearing about your grandmother. She is not a practicing nurse now, she has Alzheimers and can’t comment on the current situation. What one nurse saw years ago is not a good basis for forming an opinion of the ENTIRE medical community. Besides, it’s double hearsay. It’s your memory of stories she told you. The fact she used to work as a nurse doesn’t make you an expert. My mother was an cardiac nurse for 20 years. And that’s just her cardiac time. So my mom has more experience. Does that mean her views win? What about her friend who has been a nurse even longer?

Yeah, and in most cases nothing goes wrong. But the news doesn’t pick the story up every time a doctor does his job right. Here’s a quote " 18 percent of thedoctors insured by the company accounted for all of its payments to injured patients or their families" saynotocaps.org/newsarticles/Small%20Percentage%20of%20Doctors.html That was just the first one I found, but it makes my point plenty clear.

Doctors aren’t perfect. Did you ever make any kind of mistake when you worked? I bet you made at least one.

No, not every doctor is a great doctor, but most do their best. I’m glad that most doctors are good enough people that they’d even treat someone like you who has nothing but a mean spirit for them.

And people calm down. It’s been what, less than 5 hours since you pointed out RA hadn’t answered your question and you’re saying it’s because they are too preoccupied by business. Maybe they’re just spending time with their family. Try to be more charitable than you accuse us of being, otherwise you have no ground to stand on.
If you are so tired of hearing about my grandmother then don’t read my posts. My Grandmother was trained by the nuns at St Mary’s Hospital Nursing school In Grand Rapids Michigan, to be a replacement for the nurses sent off to WWII So she was a nurse over 50 years young lady. When she was forced to retire on acount of age she voluteered for care of patients dyinng of incurable cancer. She took care of dialisys patinets, heart patients, briefly took care of me when I had a bad kidneystones. Because she was a nurse inside as well as out, she taught get grandchildren various things about the medical field so we would know how to deal with various issues that may come up in our lives, and knew when we might not be getting the care we should. She even in a few cases was of help to my other grandmother when she was having bad health problems. My proudly hold up my grandmother as an example of good nursing and good medical care. If we were discussing other issues here other than medical I might proudly hold up a grandfather, or an uncle or maybe even a sibling as an example. More people ought to be doing things like that. If you don’t like my modus apparndei, too bad soo sad. That “mistake” I mentioned where the heart case died, is unforgivable. You take that to any heart doctor or any md they would know it’s a heart attack. That doctor was stubborn and iddnt use propper protocall when diagnosing the obvious. With the way you defend the current worthless system, with your owrrying about leaches more than well being, Id have better not ever hear you judging another persons valuing life around here ,because it’s obvious to an extreme that you don’t at all, unless of course if they are all payed up.
 
The only reason why I qualify for being disabled is because a lack of affordable chronic care has disabled me. I wouldn’t be disabled if I didn’t have problems finding long term treatment plans for my conditions. Even so, it’s unlikely I will get medicaid/care or get those long term things treated. Everything that’s done to me is experiment, because my condition doesn’t even really have a name, I require specialists. A full time job with a group plan would cover this, but now I’m too sick and having issues walking, again I can’t afford physical therapy either, so I don’t know how much better I’m going to get.

I essentially had a stroke, I will have more. As far as I’m concerned, death would be a kindness now. My life is over, ruined, I have nothing to live for anymore.
and to think if you had lived in anyother 1st world country you’d be much better off now. Shame on the USA.
 
Healthcare either. Government uses our money for war and subsidies for big business. How about using just a little of it for the regular folk. If you look up how much, it is really a little. Not by tenths of years cost, look it up year to year, for ten years if you want.

God bless you,
I see nothing but trouble coming from big business, and big business serviing no function in our society. Maybe we need to regulate how big a business can be. I have noticed over the years that once these big busninesses have no one person to be called the owner, and they take on a life of their own, they become nasty monsters, and start reeking havoc of huge proportions Quite frankly Im sick and tired of it.
 
Asp, you don’t read at all do you? So your grandmother was a nurse. Nurses can get sued for malpractice too. I guess if they all did their jobs right then we wouldn’t have to worry about that either. I guess all nurses are quacks too because they have to have malpractice insurance.

The way you defend a system that you have no idea of how well is will work is crazy.

I can’t say whether or not the doctor not diagnosis the heart was unforgivable because I wasn’t there. If it really was as obvious as you claim then he probably should have lost his license and should have been sued. But that is only one case. You try to take the worst of anyone’s experience and say that’s how the entire system is. Shame on you for ignoring all the good professionals there are. Did you grandmother take case of gay patients without a second thought? If she did, then obviously there are medical professionals who care, if not, then she’s no angel for you to hold up.

And you make ridiculous assumptions. I do value people’s lives. But the government doesn’t. They only thing they value is their money. All they care is that they get re-elected. Look at the people who are getting medicare or medicaid (the one for older adults), who do they vote for? Not the democrats to get the job done. The government is going to make everything “equal” by reducing care, not improving it. If this healthcare plan passes, expect to see many more cases like pathia’s where no one is helping. The democrats reduced the tax deduction for giving to charity, which will decrease the charity out there. And they still won’t cover conditions that are going to cost too much. And you don’t value the life of anyone who is making a living.

No one on here has ever said that we should have given money to the big businesses, so quit acting like we have. No one here agreed with that plan. If they can’t support themselves, they should have failed. Don’t you agree with that statement? I’m fine with big businesses, but once the government gives them cash if they start to fail, then we do have a monster that will do whatever it likes, because it’s “too big to fail.”

And we’ll see if pathia gets any better care when she moves to another 1st world country.

Finally, pathia, not to sound cold, but you’ve said multiple times death would be welcome. Then why don’t you stop taking life saving medications. If you want to die, then let yourself do so. If you want to live, then live and stop saying you wish you’d die.
 
and to think if you had lived in anyother 1st world country you’d be much better off now. Shame on the USA.
IMO Pathia would be much better off if he/she had crossed the border illegally and then requested health care. Pathia would probably be deported back to the original country but at least he/she would have received the needed health care.

One more point I would like to make. I do not have a reference for this. I was told this by a sheriff’s deputy during my training at work. If a person is arrested they are (at least supposed to be) given free health care.

I actually thought about doing this because I have TMJD and it isn’t covered by any health plan I have ever seen, with the exception of Medicare. I was first told by my insurance company that it would pay for the surgery, but this was over the phone. I didn’t have it in writing. I spent hours and hours on the phone, being insulted and hung up on. I was asked rudely “Where did you get this number?” and “Don’t you EVER call here again!!” by an insurance company employee when I was given the number by another employee of the same insurance company.

My insurance company finally agreed to pay for the surgery, then they declined to pay when they received the bill. The next thing I knew I had a bill for $25,000 with that phrase “Payment is expected now.” I didn’t have it. I went to a (highly recommended) attorney who billed me and then told me my case wasn’t worth his time. This was not a pre-existing condition. I was literally in agony. TMJD causes headaches as bad as migraines. It is a horrible condition to have and unfortunately I have it. The pain is so bad that many with that condition commit suicide. And honestly I did try to do that, but the Mac truck didn’t hit me when I was driving on the freeway. Sometimes I wish it had.

The only reason I made it through this pain was that I injured my back at work and the opiates worked on both my back pain and on the TMJD pain.

Finally I just decided not to pay and the insurance company decided they didn’t want the hassle so they sent the hospital about $6,000 and that was the end of that. During this entire time I was employed and was supposed to have excellent health care coverage. And it was excellent, except for this one condition. People who have TMJD fall through the cracks. TMJD is not covered by medical insurance because it’s a “dental problem.” It’s not covered by dental insurance because it’s a “medical problem.”

Medicare would have paid.

As I’ve stated before, I don’t know the answer. It’s horribly complicated and I do doubt whether the federal government could handle such a task as they seem to ruin just about anything they get involved with. I’m wondering whether state-wide programs would be better, but my state (Oregon) is not accepting applicants unless they have a dependent. The state also kicked out about 30% of the people who were on the plan. That may have been because they shouldn’t have been on the plan in the first place. I don’t know. I don’t know what should be done.
 
And we’ll see if pathia gets any better care when she moves to another 1st world country.

Finally, pathia, not to sound cold, but you’ve said multiple times death would be welcome. Then why don’t you stop taking life saving medications. If you want to die, then let yourself do so. If you want to live, then live and stop saying you wish you’d die.
Anyone who would say this does’t value life very much. I’m not picking on the poster specically, I’m anyone who agrees with this statement doesn’t value life hardly at all.
 
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