Health Risks of Common Communion Cup

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netmil(name removed by moderator):
Malia, I have to tell you a story since you brought up Purell.

We have a very conservative NO parish. At our 9:30 Holy Mass, a friend of mine was sitting behind the Altar Boys. Understand that we have at least 20 Altar Boys at this mass. My friend was in the pew behand the boys. One boy picked his nose and wiped it on his other palm throughout the entire mass.

WELL! Guess what happened at the handshake of Peace? He turned around and shook hands with my friend and her entire family.

Needless to say, she felt her bottle of Purell was a gift from God!
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Oh gross!!!:bigyikes: I could have gone my entire life without hearing that story…thanks:rolleyes: , lol.

I think I will now make sure that I also have a package of Kleenex in my purse so I can hand it over to anyone doing something involving something that really belongs in a tissue…blechhhhhhh.

Malia
 
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tossolul:
…The idea that while you are in line waiting to receive the most precious gift available to us here on earth you are in actuality worried that by receiving it you may catch your neighbors cold seriously makes me sick.
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What if a person receives Our Lord (body, blood, soul, and divinity - the most precious gift available…) in the host AND does not receive from the cup? Is that OK with you? Why do you care if that person wants to avoid your backwash? He has still received Our Lord under the appearance of bread.
 
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miguel:
What if a person receives Our Lord (body, blood, soul, and divinity - the most precious gift available…) in the host AND does not receive from the cup? Is that OK with you? Why do you care if that person wants to avoid your backwash? He has still received Our Lord under the appearance of bread.
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People are seriously forgetting the sacrifice that has actually taken place, and view it more as a duty that they deserve to be given…so as they can accept or not accept to take it. I don’t want to be judgmental, but this is a very sensitive subject to me. The idea that someone would walk by Jesus because they are afraid to touch him with their lips in case they may get a cold is in my opinion…not understanding totally the gift we have been given. This thread in my opinion is seriously wrong, and I believe it should be deleted.
 
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tossolul:
First SB- The chances of you having caught that through receiving Jesus in the Wine is soooo slim that I can’t even believe you are bringing this up!!!

Second SB- If by chance, however slim it may be, you did somehow catch pneumonia while receiving Jesus may I suggest perhaps it was God’s will that this happen to you???

I honestly cannot believe some of the responses I’ve read concerning this topic. Can you honestly see what you are doing here? We are talking about a sacrament here. The Holy Eucharist. Jesus’ Sacrifice of His life for our sins, so we can spend eternity in Heaven with God…and you are worried that be receiving this MOST SACRED GIFT you may catch a cold??? I’m sorry if I am not being tactful…but the responses I’ve read have really upset me. Please look past yourselves and your own worries, and focus on what is actually taking place. The idea that while you are in line waiting to receive the most precious gift available to us here on earth you are in actuality worried that by receiving it you may catch your neighbors cold seriously makes me sick.
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Dear Toss,
Actually, I ended up in the hospital from this illness and was on IV antibiotics. I’m a single mother, having lost my husband several years ago, and my whole family is quite dependent on me. Frankly, I find your answer highly uncharitable and utterly lacking in compassion for my worries and my health.
 
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tossolul:
People are seriously forgetting the sacrifice that has actually taken place, and view it more as a duty that they deserve to be given…so as they can accept or not accept to take it. I don’t want to be judgmental, but this is a very sensitive subject to me. The idea that someone would walk by Jesus because they are afraid to touch him with their lips in case they may get a cold is in my opinion…not understanding totally the gift we have been given. This thread in my opinion is seriously wrong, and I believe it should be deleted.
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If we get to the point where the Bird Flu evolves to jump from bird to human and is transmitted human to human, I will feel blessed that I am not in your parish.
You seem to be saying that if you were sick, you would still partake of the cup. Is that correct?
Jesus is whole in the host. What are you missing by not drinking from the community cup?
 
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tossolul:
First SB- The chances of you having caught that through receiving Jesus in the Wine is soooo slim that I can’t even believe you are bringing this up!!!.
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Not only is this virtually impossible to prove, but it is also inaccurate. Nobody is saying that disease is transmitted by the precious blood, it’s the accidents and the chalice that can transmit the disease.
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tossolul:
Second SB- If by chance, however slim it may be, you did somehow catch pneumonia while receiving Jesus may I suggest perhaps it was God’s will that this happen to you???
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How about if I crossed a busy street against the traffic light on my way to Church? Wouldn’t that be my free will causing that? God has given us the the ability to ignore common sense if we choose.

When one receives the Holy Eucharist they receive ALL of Jesus (Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity). You don’t get any more of Jesus by consuming the Precious Blood. As the Catechism states:

***1390 *Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace. For pastoral reasons this manner of receiving communion has been legitimately established as the most common form in the Latin rite. But "the sign of communion is more complete when given under both kinds, since in that form the sign of the Eucharistic meal appears more clearly."222

Choosing to receive the cup is a more complete sign of the Eucahristic Meal, and that’s it! If someone declines the cup, they do not lose out on receiving one molecule of Jesus.
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tossolul:
I honestly cannot believe some of the responses I’ve read concerning this topic. Can you honestly see what you are doing here? We are talking about a sacrament here. The Holy Eucharist. Jesus’ Sacrifice of His life for our sins, so we can spend eternity in Heaven with God…and you are worried that be receiving this MOST SACRED GIFT you may catch a cold??? I’m sorry if I am not being tactful…but the responses I’ve read have really upset me. Please look past yourselves and your own worries, and focus on what is actually taking place. The idea that while you are in line waiting to receive the most precious gift available to us here on earth you are in actuality worried that by receiving it you may catch your neighbors cold seriously makes me sick
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This really troubles me. There are some of us that REALLY can’t afford to get sick. I have 2 children with weak immune systems and if they get sick it really is a big deal. God has given me the common sense to take precautions against getting sick. Drinking from a common cup is something that I choose to avoid, especially since I get everything I need from the Eucharist. To answer the next logical question, I would not refrain from receiving the Eucharist in order to avoid germs. That is a necessary risk for me. Participating in a “more complete sign” by receiving the cup is not.

God Bless,
Gary
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Jesus is whole in the host. What are you missing by not drinking from the community cup?
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They are missing nothing. This is what people don’t understand. They are not bypassing Jesus by not receiving from the cup. If they have received the host, they have received Jesus (body, blood, soul, and divinity).
 
This is how I see it…It is only my opinion.

Jesus is present in the blood, correct? So how do you acknowledge Him when you walk by, or do you? Do you make a sign of the cross as you pass Him? If you could actually see Him standing there, what would you do? would you just casually walk by and pretend that He doesn’t exist? Would you keep yourself from touching Him because you were afraid of catching something? This is why this thread troubles me. He is there, how do you respond to Him?
 
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tossolul:
This is how I see it…It is only my opinion.

Jesus is present in the blood, correct? So how do you acknowledge Him when you walk by, or do you? Do you make a sign of the cross as you pass Him? If you could actually see Him standing there, what would you do? would you just casually walk by and pretend that He doesn’t exist? Would you keep yourself from touching Him because you were afraid of catching something? This is why this thread troubles me. He is there, how do you respond to Him?
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How am I being casual when I have him within me (body, blood, soul, and divinity) after receiving the host? That is Church teaching, not my opinion. For a long time, the Church only gave Communion to the people under the species of bread, to avoid the very misunderstanding that you have. People actually went to war with your misunderstanding of this issue.

newadvent.org/cathen/07585a.htm
 
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miguel:
How am I being casual when I have him within me (body, blood, soul, and divinity) after receiving the host? That is Church teaching, not my opinion. For a long time, the Church only gave Communion to the people under the species of bread, to avoid the very misunderstanding that you have. People actually went to war with your misunderstanding of this issue.

newadvent.org/cathen/07585a.htm
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I am not misunderstanding the issue. i realize you receive Him fully in the Eucharist.

I only want people to think about the reason you are not receiving Him in the Chalice (because He is also present here)

Use your imagination and instead of just seeing the host, or wine…See Jesus standing there, waiting for you like he in actuality is- but we just can’t see it with our human eye. So you go up and you accept Jesus’ sacrifice in the Eucharist. You have received Him fully, and there is no need now to receive anything else…but then you walk down the street and there He is again. What do you do this time? Do you simply ignore Him because you have just been with Him, or because He is our Saviour do you acknowledge His presence either by receiving Him again or at least with some symbol of recognition- sign of the cross.

What bothers me about this thread is that people are stating in actuality that they do not want to receive Jesus because they are afraid that in doing so they will get someone elses germs. To me this shows a lack of faith in God. A God that has worked miraculous things for His people. It also shows a lack of respect of a gift given to us…a gift that some people want to receive but because of their government can not receive by punishment of death. A gift we take for granted. A gift that may not always be as easily accessable as it is now, and that is why it bothers me to here people talk about how scared they are of catching a cold.

That is why I believe this thread is wrong, and should be deleted.
 
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tossolul:
I am not misunderstanding the issue. i realize you receive Him fully in the Eucharist.

I only want people to think about the reason you are not receiving Him in the Chalice (because He is also present here)

Use your imagination and instead of just seeing the host, or wine…See Jesus standing there, waiting for you like he in actuality is- but we just can’t see it with our human eye. So you go up and you accept Jesus’ sacrifice in the Eucharist. You have received Him fully, and there is no need now to receive anything else…but then you walk down the street and there He is again. What do you do this time? Do you simply ignore Him because you have just been with Him, or because He is our Saviour do you acknowledge His presence either by receiving Him again or at least with some symbol of recognition- sign of the cross.

What bothers me about this thread is that people are stating in actuality that they do not want to receive Jesus because they are afraid that in doing so they will get someone elses germs. To me this shows a lack of faith in God. A God that has worked miraculous things for His people. It also shows a lack of respect of a gift given to us…a gift that some people want to receive but because of their government can not receive by punishment of death. A gift we take for granted. A gift that may not always be as easily accessable as it is now, and that is why it bothers me to here people talk about how scared they are of catching a cold.

That is why I believe this thread is wrong, and should be deleted.
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I believe you are wrong.

The Church has never declared that people must perform a sign of reverence when walking by the chalice. The Church has never declared that people must receive the chalice and, in fact, the Council of Trent declared just the opposite.

You are putting yourself above the Church. Not a position I’d care to be in.
 
Dr. Bombay:
I believe you are wrong.

The Church has never declared that people must perform a sign of reverence when walking by the chalice. The Church has never declared that people must receive the chalice and, in fact, the Council of Trent declared just the opposite.

You are putting yourself above the Church. Not a position I’d care to be in.
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I honestly do not see how I am doing anything wrong by making a sign of the cross as I pass by Jesus. Do you?
 
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tossolul:
I honestly do not see how I am doing anything wrong by making a sign of the cross as I pass by Jesus. Do you?
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Nope, sure don’t. The more signs of the cross, the better I say.

But Jesus is inside you under the appearance of the Host. That’s not a separate Jesus in the chalice. Same God.
 
Dr. Bombay:
Nope, sure don’t. The more signs of the cross, the better I say.

But Jesus is inside you under the appearance of the Host. That’s not a separate Jesus in the chalice. Same God.
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It’s the same Jesus, present in the host, and chalice at the same time. I never sad it was a different person. I only implied that where ever He is present He should be acknoledged for His sacrifice given for us.
 
MODERATOR INTERVENTION:

In your charity please remember that all receiving Eucharist are doing so in the best lights they have on the subject. For those having their own specific pious practice, in your forbearance towards others, please refrain from inferring or implying that those who have health or other concerns are less Catholic, less spiritual or less committed in their beliefs and practice.

It is also worthwhile to note that in the past year and one half at least three dioceses in the United States have withheld the cup during mass outbreaks of strep infections within their geographic boundaries in an effort to assist local health authorities in curbing the problem.

It is sometimes necessary prior to posting, for us all to separate what we believe personally, from that which the church teaches about such matters.
 
Earlier in this thread I stated that I would no longer receive from the cup. This past Sunday the worst happened.

The Communion lines at the church I attend always flow freely and fluidly…aways…always…I have never seen them stall.

This past Sunday I received the Body of Christ and then as I walked past the two cup lines…no one was there to receive…not a single person…😦 There stood these two beatiful people I know…a priest and a deacon holding the Blood of Christ… the line in front of me had me stalled right between the two Cups…I was torn…absolutely torn…I had just received the Body of Christ and there I stood with the Blood of Christ to the left of my body for several seconds…I felt terrible for not receiving the Blood of Christ…
Of all the times in my life to choose not to ever receive from the Cup again I was forced to stand there and really think about it and in all I felt terrible…

Maybe next time I will place myself so that I can be first to receive…I would rather live with myself this way (being stategic) than not to receive the Most Precious Blood of Christ or worse yet ignoring the Most Precious Blood of Christ.
 
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Maybe next time I will place myself so that I can be first to receive…
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What is the reasoning behind this? Is it bad for you to get another person’s germs but okay for you to give them your germs?:bigyikes:
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harinkj:
What is the reasoning behind this? Is it bad for you to get another person’s germs but okay for you to give them your germs?:bigyikes:
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This is true. I can’t seem to come ahead of this … so I will stick to my resolve not to drink from the cup anymore.
 
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This is true. I can’t seem to come ahead of this … so I will stick to my resolve not to drink from the cup anymore.
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I very much share your concerns. I have never received the Precious Blodd because I almost always go to a Traditional Latin Mass and once several decades ago I saw the common cup used at an Episcopalian service and it freaked me out.

I don’t know what solution could be used. If the priest put it in a multitude of little cups, it would probably be cost prohibitive to have hundreds of silver cups. And then washing all of them. Dispensing with a dropper onto peoples tongues would seem strange. Maybe dispensing with a little spoon onto people’s tongues and not touching their tongues. My imagination is just running wild here.

Was the Precious Blood given in the early church? Of course germs were not known about then. If it was given then, why was the practice stopped? :hmmm:
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