Hear Gregorian Chants

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For anyone interested in hearing several of the old Latin chants go to my website freewebs.com/orthodoxcatholic/music.html I posted chants from all sorts of liturgical seasons.

According to my friend the Dum Pater Familias is the authentic Gregorian chant of the Church before, as he claims. the Benedictines corrupted it in around 1850, claiming they rediscovered the authentic chant. Dum Pater Familias is my favorite, I even posted the Latin and an English translation of it (theres even a Spanish translation next to that)
 
Beautiful. 🙂

Thanks so much for the link. I have bookmarked it and will be listening fervently.
 
That’s odd. Everything I’ve read said the Benedictines, especially of Solemes, RESTORED Gregorian chant, both in the score and performance.
 
Than you! This is the first time I’ve heard Gregorian chant. It’s quite beautiful and calming.🙂
Also, I didn’t know it was on Pandora. I’ve used it for a while, and this is DEFINITELY going into a new station.
 
For anyone interested in hearing several of the old Latin chants go to my website freewebs.com/orthodoxcatholic/music.html I posted chants from all sorts of liturgical seasons.

According to my friend the Dum Pater Familias is the authentic Gregorian chant of the Church before, as he claims. the Benedictines corrupted it in around 1850, claiming they rediscovered the authentic chant. Dum Pater Familias is my favorite, I even posted the Latin and an English translation of it (theres even a Spanish translation next to that)
Thanks for the link! Would you need a French translation? 😃 I’m French 😉

How was the Gregorian Chant in the middle of the XIXth century? :confused:
 
Thanks for the link! Would you need a French translation? 😃 I’m French 😉

How was the Gregorian Chant in the middle of the XIXth century? :confused:
Yes I think I do have a French Translation of Dum Pater Familias, Dum Pater is supposed to be how the chant was sung prior to the Benedictine reformation of the Chant, according to some Church Music Historian my friend mentioned…

Once I find the French translation i will post it
 
It looks like my French and German translation were lost, so yes, I could use a French Translation
 
It looks like my French and German translation were lost, so yes, I could use a French Translation
It doesn’t matter. Thanks anyway. 😉
I’d love to hear how it used to be (Gregorian). Did Solesme (the French Abbey) restore it the way it used to be? That’s what I was told.
 
thank you so much for the site Pandora. our Lord seems to always answer my prayers. i have been looking for a site like this for quite a while. now i have it. Thanks be to our Mercyfull God who hears the hearts of His people.
 
Awesome! Thanks!
**“Tell me, can anyone receive Jesus into his heart and not die?” -Blessed Imelda Lambertini **

Wow, there’s a child saint you don’t hear about every day. Did you know that she is the patron of First Communicants??
 
Did Solesme (the French Abbey) restore it the way it used to be? That’s what I was told.
I am also under a similar impression to bpbasilphx, i.e., that Solesmes (as the liturgical heir to Cluny) has restored things.

I’m not a musicologist, but if one looks at Ambrosian Chant (which is quite faithful to its origins), it seems to me that one might see a closer relation between it and the work of Solesmes than to the non-Solesmes styles of Gregorian Chant.

I noticed a comment on YouTube that there is some discussion of the interpretation of Dum Pater Familias in the OP. I will not comment on that further, except to say that it strikes me as having an almost Greek-Byzantine cast, which I find interesting.
 
I am the one that stuffed Berhanes head with the idea he posted here a month ago.

In essence what he posted I agree with but it demands further commentary to not be misconstrued, plainchant is an issue that demands better education and explanation to make sense of and more importantly…to have it actually have sung in our Latin Catholic Churches, which due to the ignorance of the typical pastor is very hard to be seen as anything beyong an exotic impractical artform at odds with the utilitarian view of music taken by our “hymnals” in in the continuance of our simplified “liturgical renewal 1970s” world of 2010. Though plainchant is gradually gaining momentum it is largely because most seminaries and priests of the latin catholic church are not taught liturgical history and continuity very well even to this very day that it struggles with acceptance. besides that translating it into english, though it exists, is also somewhat controversial with traditionalists. thus we do not have the unbiased approach that the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches have. Pray Bishops change that.

example of the future:
www.musicasacra.com/books/americangradual1.pdf

The idea with interpretation is relating to the nature of all art which God uses to inspire and illuminate us with his divine Word in his divine liturgies/offices, foremost in the psalms and biblical texts but also the words written by his humble servants in the relevant theological hymns, sequences, kontakion that match the ordinary or propers of the day or season.

Solesmes republished chant in modern printing presses, they promoted the singing of it, theyve done great things, but they have not given us 100% the exact received tradition we had before. Latin/western plainchant as with much Eastern plainchant is a localized tradition. Local ways of interpretation, local improsivation, like in jazz music (but not taken too far). I am only one who disagrees that the whole western world must sing with solesmes interpretation and “performance practice” the soft ethereal way of making the end syllables silent and soft…this has no historical basis.

However many of the gregorian chant that I encounter being sung near me does not use the Solesmes approach which for me is more effeminate. It has more the qualities that marcel peres or any intense traditional “folk music” will have…full of deep bass. So for me I think the days of Solesmes monopoly are now ended.

So, My view is only with singing the original medieval manuscripts with interpretation similar to indigenous western european folk music , of say corsica/southern france and influence from eastern churches techniques because theyre tradition was has always been living and never broken. the 1700’s enlightment broke most of the living gregorian chant interpretation tradition we had and created the world we have today.

so see what I mean, compare the different interpretations of St Nektarios most beloved anthem to the Blessed God bearer and ever virgin Mary. Every Eastern Orthodox knows and sings it.

We Catholics can do the same with our own medieval chant hymns and more authentic folk melodies…(not as in Bob Dylan, but as in Rocio Jurado acapella youtube.com/watch?v=d5PRBlWH63k&feature=related)

youtube.com/watch?v=3XPI14UkkAs
Agni Parthene in greek

youtube.com/watch?v=-hwc91M4VA0

Fecioara curata (Agni Parthene)
mt athos style

youtube.com/watch?v=ZVK9FJqJWKw&feature=related

perhaps a more smoother rumanian cathedral or professional style

St. Tikhon’s Seminary Male Choir

youtube.com/watch?v=pZQa3UqDsjc&feature=related
a marvelous interpretation with the english adaptation by
St. Tikhon’s Seminary Male Choir

youtube.com/watch?v=L4E3ToVNOD4
Boston Byzantine Choir English adapation version

(they are criticized for too western sounding, true in many instances,
but nevertheless this is one of the better more authentic recordings)

youtube.com/watch?v=wa6fWfzxRlY&feature=related
(Church Slavonic - ancient liturgical language used in Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia etc)
 
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