Heaven Is For Real

[Deus_tecum]

The difference emphasized in the movie is, the boy didn’t die.

His experience was not a NDE, according to the boy and the doctors in the movie.

Jim

Ok. I did not see the film or read the book. It sounds then like he had a vision that was similar to what people who have NDEs report. But again I am just going by the bits of conversation I have heard about the film.

 

[nhamm10]

If my memory serves me correctly in the book they did mention his heart had stopped for how long I don’t know. That’s why during the movie I was confused as to why they were saying at no time did he die during the procedure? Did anyone else read that or am I losing it? I gave the book away so can’t look back. I wish they would have brought up other things he saw Mary for instance next to Jesus or standing behind him and the fact he met Jesus’ “best friend” John.

I see it as this bringing people closer to the Lord. Simple as that. If you can’t wrap your head around the fact this very well could have happened (even though the family isn’t Catholic) then that is very sad. Anything that brings people closer to the truth of Jesus Christ is good!

 

[Memaw]

If my memory serves me correctly in the book they did mention his heart had stopped for how long I don’t know. That’s why during the movie I was confused as to why they were saying at no time did he die during the procedure? Did anyone else read that or am I losing it? I gave the book away so can’t look back. I wish they would have brought up other things he saw Mary for instance next to Jesus or standing behind him and the fact he met Jesus’ “best friend” John.

I see it as this bringing people closer to the Lord. Simple as that. If you can’t wrap your head around the fact this very well could have happened (even though the family isn’t Catholic) then that is very sad. Anything that brings people closer to the truth of Jesus Christ is good!

They never mentioned Mary in the book part, but at the back of it someone asked the father if he saw Mary and the father just said she was there. Sorta like an afterthought. Didn’t convince me of much. I think it’s very sad when Catholics run after anything that even smells like NDEs. Something that brings us closer to the TRUTH of Jesus Christ is good, but something that weakens our faith is not. The Church cautions us about such things. Many things can “look” like they are bringing us closer to God but in fact may be pulling us away from the real truth. I didn’t see where this book would bring anyone ‘closer’ to God but maybe closer to the protestant version of Him. The father was defiantly in charge of the book and what is written in it. To many questions in my opinion. I am really shocked at all the Catholic support for this movie. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

Saints have been given visions of Jesus, Mary, Saints, heaven, hell and purgatory.

St Dom Bosco was brought into Purgatory and it was so beautiful, he thought he was in heaven.

Some Catholics, especially traditional Catholics, would’ve believed the boy if he was Catholic and only saw hell and Satan instead of heaven and Jesus.

He was an four year old innocent non-Catholic, who was given a gift of seeing Jesus and Heaven, and they blow him off. His experience brought people around them closer to Jesus, especially his minister father who struggled with it all. In fact, his father’s faith seemed to be on an intellectual basis before his son began expressing his experience. It challenged the father, but in the end he realized that all he had been preaching from the Bible meant nothing without the experience of God’s love.

BTW, I have not read the book, but those who did, said he did know of Satan’s presence but Satan was suppressed because he was with Jesus.

Don’t know about this, but a person who read the book had told me about it.

Jim

There is a huge difference between a Saint having a Mystical experience while fully alive. and someone having a so called NDE experience while the brain is going threw who knows what on the verge if dying. Absolutely no comparison. What do you have against traditional Catholics anyway?? Isn’t that a bit judgmental??, God Bless, Memaw

 

[JimR-OCDS]

There is a huge difference between a Saint having a Mystical experience while fully alive. and someone having a so called NDE experience while the brain is going threw who knows what on the verge if dying. Absolutely no comparison. What do you have against traditional Catholics anyway?? Isn’t that a bit judgmental??, God Bless, Memaw

Some saints had their visions during dreams, illness and such.

The boy in the movie didn’t have a NDE, his experience while he was in a coma.

I don’t have anything against traditional Catholics per se, I am a traditional Catholc.

Its just those who want to paint God into a box according to their own image and can’t accept the mystical experiences of another, just because they’re not Catholic.

FYI, the thread isn’t about me, but the movie.

Jim

 

[buffalo]

I liked this book - Life After Death: The Evidence

 

[Memaw]

Some saints had their visions during dreams, illness and such.

The boy in the movie didn’t have a NDE, his experience while he was in a coma.

I don’t have anything against traditional Catholics per se, I am a traditional Catholc.

Its just those who want to paint God into a box according to their own image and can’t accept the mystical experiences of another, just because they’re not Catholic.

FYI, the thread isn’t about me, but the movie.

Jim

I don’t recall anyone on here ever trying to paint God in a box, maybe just the opposite at times! It may not have actually been a NDE but they surly tried to put it off as one, until the Dr. spoke up… There is a BIG difference in the way protestants see things and the way the Catholic Church does. . Especially when it comes to Mystical experiences. Where are all the Protestant saints, or proven miracles such as the ones that go through, like the study of the Church before even being accepted as a true miracle. Such as the ones at Lourdes and those used for Canonizations. The Church is very careful in what is accepts as true. And we should be too. God Bless, Memaw

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I liked this book - Life After Death: The Evidence

That’s a good book.

Denesh D’Souza, gives accounts of NDE’s that debunks brain changes due to anesthesia or other chemically induced possibilities.

In one story, a woman saw herself floating up out of her body and through the hospital building. On her way out of the building, she saw a yellow sneaker on the ledge of the third floor and though how strange it was. She noticed it also had unique markings.

After she came back, she told the doctors about going to heaven, etc, and they said it was probably due to the anesthesia effect on her brain,. So, she told them about the sneaker on the ledge of the third floor and asked them to go check it.

They did, along with nurses. At first looking out the window, they couldn’t see it, but then they opened the window and one leaned out to look across at the ledge and sure enough, there was the yellow sneaker. They had maintenance retrieve the sneaker and before showing it to the woman who had the NDE, they asked for details about it, which she gave them.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Memaw

I don’t recall anyone on here ever trying to paint God in a box, maybe just the opposite at times!

We see it in this forum all the time, Your reaction to the movie not fitting Catholic understanding is an example.

It may not have actually been a NDE but they surly tried to put it off as one, until the Dr. spoke up…

Actually it was the boy who spoke up and said he did not die. The doctor confirmed that the boy was right, he had not died and so it was not an NDE.

There is a BIG difference in the way protestants see things and the way the Catholic Church does.

Yeah and NDE’s and this little boys experience help bring us together.

Especially when it comes to Mystical experiences. Where are all the Protestant saints, or proven miracles such as the ones that go threw the study of the Church before even accepted as a true miracle.

Mystical experiences are private revelation.

Anyway, I have read of protestant mystical experiences.

Also, I hope you’re not counting Eastern Orthodox Saints in this. They have as many saints who had mystical experiences as the Catholic Church does.

The Church is very careful in what is accepts as true. And we should be too.

The Church is careful, as she must be, because Catholics jump too quickly embrace mystics in a different way than others. Look what happens when people think they see the Blessed Mother in various areas ?

It’s not whats going on here. The movie is about a little boys vision of heaven.

It’s private revelation, which even if he were Catholic and the Church declared it to be true, Catholics would not be obligated to believe.

We don’t have to believe in Fatima or Lourdes. Those are private revelations.

Jim

 

[Memaw]

Memaw

We see it in this forum all the time, Your reaction to the movie not fitting Catholic understanding is an example.

JIM, SHOW ME THE TRUE CATHOLIC UNDERSTANDING OF THIS KIND OF EXPERIENCE.

Actually it was the boy who spoke up and said he did not die. The doctor confirmed that the boy was right, he had not died and so it was not an NDE.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS AFTER THE DR.S SAID SO.

Yeah and NDE’s and this little boys experience help bring us together.

THIS THREAD IF PROOF OF THAT RIGHT??

Mystical experiences are private revelation.

Anyway, I have read of protestant mystical experiences.

DO YOU BELIEVE ALL YOU READ WITHOUT PROOF.

THEY DON’T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SCRUTINY THAT CATHOLIC ONES DO, TO BE ACCEPTED AS WORTHY OF BELIEF.

Also, I hope you’re not counting Eastern Orthodox Saints in this. They have as many saints who had mystical experiences as the Catholic Church does.

OF COURSE NOT.

The Church is careful, as she must be, because Catholics jump too quickly embrace mystics in a different way than others. Look what happens when people think they see the Blessed Mother in various areas ?

YOUR VERY RIGHT, SOME CATHOLICS JUMP TO QUICKLY.

It’s not whats going on here.
SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT IS.

The movie is about a little boys vision of heaven.
it’s private revelation, which even if he were Catholic and the Church declared it to be true,
Catholics would not be obligated to believe.

BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW IF WE DO BELIEVE IT, THAT IT’S WORTHY OF BELIEF!!

We don’t have to believe in Fatima or Lourdes. Those are private revelations.

WE WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO THO. GOD BLESS, MEMAW

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Memaw, you obviously haven’t seen the movie nor read the book.

You have a problem with what you have not read or seen, No one is telling you to accept the little boys account of what he experienced or other NDE’s.

The thread isn’t about me, but about the movie.

Jim

 

[Memaw]

Memaw, you obviously haven’t seen the movie nor read the book.

You have a problem with what you have not read or seen, and that;s fine, no one is telling you to accept it.

You are jumping to conclusions again. I have read the book and I don’t care to see the movie. Got better things to do with my time and money. God Bless, Memaw

 

[JimR-OCDS]

JimR-OCDS;11961696:

Memaw, you obviously haven’t seen the movie nor read the book.

You have a problem with what you have not read or seen, and that;s fine, no one is telling you to accept it.

You are jumping to conclusions again. I have read the book and I don’t care to see the movie. Got better things to do with my time and money. God Bless, Memaw

Fine then do better things then trash the thread.

Jim

 

[adawgj]

I have to much skepticism about the Colton Burpo seeing heaven.

However, while I do not believe in the story I hope that the movie and book help lead people to God as I have seen it happen to many people.

Rather nice seeing some Christian movies out this year.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

BTW, I never said whether or not I believed the boys account of his experience, but from the movie character, he’s convincing.

Do I believe people have NDE’s and such experiences ?

Yes, I do, the evidence is too strong to support what they’re saying.

Also, many were healed of serious medical problems when they can back, which can’t be explained by doctors.

There is a life after death, I have no doubt about it, after all, that’s why Jesus came to save us…

Jim