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Please see Post #48
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Steve_O_Brien
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In question 5, article 2, of De malo (which everyone who’s interested in original sin and limbo should study carefully), St. Thomas Aquinas, showing his usual serenity and good sense, answers this question: “Is the punishment of sense required for original sin?” (my translations throughout this post).
He replies to this question in the negative, and the first objection that he answers is the following:
***“For Augustine says in *Hypognost. that infants dying without Baptism will experience hell. But hell designates the punishment of sense. Therefore, the punishment of sense is required for original sin.”
He responds to this objection as follows:
“Against the first objection, it must be said that the word ‘torment,’ ‘suffering,’ ‘hell,’ and ‘torture,’ or anything similar that might be found among the sayings of the saints, is to be understood in a broad sense as ‘punishment,’ just as a species might be used to mean a genus. And thus the saints used this manner of speaking to make repugnant the error of the Pelagians, who asserted that there was no sin in infants, and that no punishment was required for them.”
I appeal to the authority of St. Thomas in support of the contention that it is not a good idea for Catholics to say that limbo is the “fringe of hell.”
St. Thomas, thank you for your wisdom!
Keep and spread the Faith.
He replies to this question in the negative, and the first objection that he answers is the following:
***“For Augustine says in *Hypognost. that infants dying without Baptism will experience hell. But hell designates the punishment of sense. Therefore, the punishment of sense is required for original sin.”
He responds to this objection as follows:
“Against the first objection, it must be said that the word ‘torment,’ ‘suffering,’ ‘hell,’ and ‘torture,’ or anything similar that might be found among the sayings of the saints, is to be understood in a broad sense as ‘punishment,’ just as a species might be used to mean a genus. And thus the saints used this manner of speaking to make repugnant the error of the Pelagians, who asserted that there was no sin in infants, and that no punishment was required for them.”
I appeal to the authority of St. Thomas in support of the contention that it is not a good idea for Catholics to say that limbo is the “fringe of hell.”
St. Thomas, thank you for your wisdom!
Keep and spread the Faith.
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Steve_O_Brien
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In question 5, article 2, of De malo (which everyone who’s interested in original sin and limbo should study carefully), St. Thomas Aquinas, showing his usual serenity and good sense, anwers this question: “Is the punishment of sense required for original sin?” (my translations throughout this post).
He replies to this question in the negative, and the first objection that he answers is the following:
***“For Augustine says in *Hypognost. that infants dying without Baptism will experience hell. But hell designates the punishment of sense. Therefore, the punishment of sense is required for original sin.”
He responds to this objection as follows:
“Against the first objection, it must be said that the word “torment,” “suffering,” “hell,” and “torture,” or anything similar that might be found among the sayings of the saints, is to be understood in a broad sense as “punishment,” just as a species might be used to mean a genus. And thus the saints used this manner of speaking to make repugnant the error of the Pelagians, who asserted that there was no sin in infants, and that no punishment was required for them.”
I appeal to the authority of St. Thomas in support of the contention that it is not a good idea for Catholics to say that limbo is the “fringe of hell.”
St. Thomas, thank you for your wisdom!
Keep and spread the Faith.
He replies to this question in the negative, and the first objection that he answers is the following:
***“For Augustine says in *Hypognost. that infants dying without Baptism will experience hell. But hell designates the punishment of sense. Therefore, the punishment of sense is required for original sin.”
He responds to this objection as follows:
“Against the first objection, it must be said that the word “torment,” “suffering,” “hell,” and “torture,” or anything similar that might be found among the sayings of the saints, is to be understood in a broad sense as “punishment,” just as a species might be used to mean a genus. And thus the saints used this manner of speaking to make repugnant the error of the Pelagians, who asserted that there was no sin in infants, and that no punishment was required for them.”
I appeal to the authority of St. Thomas in support of the contention that it is not a good idea for Catholics to say that limbo is the “fringe of hell.”
St. Thomas, thank you for your wisdom!
Keep and spread the Faith.
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Jasny
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Thanks for the great research as usual. BTW did you ever find the (PiusXII) Holy Office’s teaching stoping theories against limbo.Most Holy Offices teachings don’t seem to be online.
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Steve_O_Brien
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Jasny, the document you’re seeking was issued by the Holy Office in 1958. The following excerpt is cited in the CUF article entitled “What Does the Church Teach About Limbo?”:
Most Holy Office’s teachings don’t seem to be online.
“The practice has arisen in some places of delaying the conferring of Baptism for so-called reasons of convenience or of a liturgical nature–a practice favored by some opinions, lacking solid foundation, concerning the eternal salvation of infants who die without Baptism.
“Therefore this Supreme Congregation, with the approval of the Holy Father, warns the faithful that infants are to be baptized as soon as possible. . . . Pastors and preachers are exhorted to urge the fulfillment of this obligation.”
Here’s the link for the CUF article:
cuf.org/news/newsdetail.asp?newID=143
Keep and spread the Faith.
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ribozyme
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What about the scenario where one dies as an infant after their baptized. Don’t they go to heaven too? But if they were born in, let’s say, a Muslim family, they would not go to heaven.
Even though I do not believe in anything supernatural, it is simpler to say that everyone never had the capacity to choose God or not goes to heaven.
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Jasny
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thanks I knew it was out there but couldn’t find it.
the full document would be great to have online because it was quite critical of the theories debated with ant- limbo people.
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