Heaven

[Montalo]

Heyy

I thought of this question when i was in physics today

Is it at all possible that heaven and hell are planets in the universe, but it is impossible for anyone alive to reach said planet of heaven?

Jéan Montalo

 

[Heavens_Flowers]

I think this is more of a morman teaching not catholic. But I’ve been wrong before.

 

[Metatron]

I think such questions are a bit like asking if God is an old man with a long beard somewhere in the Sky.

I think it’s a description of states, not places. It’s the state your soul is in when it’s in separation from God (Hell); or in concordance and unity (Heaven). - But who am I to say, it’s up to you to decide. - I do think, however, that I’m more in line with the Roman Catholic Church when I say : states and not places. - I don’t think the Church interprets as literal as you do either.

People condemn themselves to Hell when they decide to flee from God. - Do I think it’s a literal place of hellfire and forks and demons? Of course not. - I actually think it’s worse. - It’s nothing physical. It’s not pain. It’s desolation, loneliness, absurd, meaninglessness, emptiness, nihilism. It’s life without God.

However we look at it, I reckon the most important is we focus this life now, and on goodness and faith in Christ, and love.

Godspeed you!

 

[Heavens_Flowers]

Actually hell is a physical terrifying place, which Mary showed us in Portugal in 1917. This vision has been documented, and supported by the Church. The reason there visions are believed is because to miracles happened as a result on the last apparition of Mary thousands of people gathered at the cova with the children, they could not see Mary only the children, so the children asked Mary to prove to the people she really was there and God granted them this by having the sun dance. Plus Mary told the children a secret which was revealed BEFORE the pope was shot, and that happened to be the secret, co incidents? Think not, hell is real, visit this link and hear in the children’s words what hell is really likehttp://www.culturalcatholic.com/LadyFatima.htm shortly after the two younger children died and the oldest Lucia became a nun, and saved many souls until her death in 2005.

 

[Heavens_Flowers]

?"Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant.

from Lucia on the first secret of hell.

 

[Metatron]

Not to disrespect, I believe your intentions are good, but I have to state my opinion as it is: I think the idea of a literal hell as a place is preposterous. - If Christianity hopes to survive in the third millennium, it must be rational. Belief in mumbo-jumbo certainly doesn’t help in the era of science and logic. - I personally believe Christianity is absolutely compatible with science. - Bible is full of metaphors - we shouldn’t understand them literally. - To me, the literal belief in demons or hell is not better than the belief in unicorns or cyclops; but we’re not pagans, we’re Christians: our faith is the faith of the Logos, of Reason, not of the fancies of human imagination.

But don’t listen to me. Listen to him instead:

"During his weekly address to the general audience of 8,500 people at the Vatican on July 28, 1999, Pope John Paul II rejected the reality of a physical, literal hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Rather, the pope said hell is separation, even in this life, from the joyful communion with God. According to an official Vatican transcript of the pope’s speech, Pope John Paul II noted that the Scriptural references to hell and the images portrayed by Scripture are only symbolic and figurative of “the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. " He added, “Rather than a physical place, hell is the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy.” He said hell is “a condition resulting from attitudes and actions which people adopt in this life.” Concerning the concept of eternal damnation, the pope said, “Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person, and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever.” The pope also added, “The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair.” Rather, he stated, it is a reminder of the freedom found in Christ.”

 

[cranster]

I’m not sure how a thread about heaven turned into a thread about hell.

The chief punishment of hell is separation from G-d. The chief reward of Heaven is the beatific vision. Heaven is where G-d resides. It’s totally inconceivable to us what it would be like to gaze on the face of infinite, love, beauty, and mercy. The highest choir of angel is the Seraphim or beings of fire. If we encountered the purity and holiness of one these beings here we would be terrified. They stand in the presence of G-d and continually worship G-d with their faces covered by a set of wings because they don’t deem themselves worthy to gaze on the face of God. Our invitation is through repentance and communion with God to gaze on His face for eternity. Satan was a seraphim and people in hell join in mystical communion with him and experience his fire as torture, at least that’s how I understood the video “what every Catholic should know about hell”. It’s a spiritual realm whose reality is far greater than the physical, material realm. My understanding is the spiritual realm is ultimate reality, and the physical realm is but a pale reflection. It’s a realm where the punishments of hell will be experienced in a way for greater than could be experienced in the physical realm, and likewise the rewards of Heaven will be experienced in a far greater way than could experienced in the physical realm. I’ve read that G-d continually delights those who love Him in an infinite variety of ways because His being is infinite, and since time doesn’t exist as we know it everything there happens at once.
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Our state of being will be radically different there than it is here. There will be no self centerdness there what so ever. We will be brought to a state of such purity, either through our sufferings here on earth or in purgatory, that it will no longer be possible to consider self but only the other in a state of perfect love. I believe that’s why Christ commands us to empty ourselves, take up our cross and follow Him. The cross is the crucible of purifying our selfish sinful selves into fit residents of Heaven, and the Eucharist is nourishment for such a being. We will be pure selfless love with only consideration for the other. That is what a resident of Heaven is like.

As far as the OP’s original question about whether it’s a planet. All things imperfect will give way to the perfect. Everything in the physical realm is transient and will come to an end and give way to things eternal.

What is it actually like there? “1 Cor. 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” I don’t have the foggiest idea.

 

[Moscati]

Dante’s Paradiso used the planets as the setting for the beatific vision (at least some of it–I’m fuzzy on the details, but I definitely remember him and Beatrice going to the moon). That was, however, epic poetry, not theology.

 

[StrawberryJam]

I think such questions are a bit like asking if God is an old man with a long beard somewhere in the Sky.

I think it’s a description of states, not places. It’s the state your soul is in when it’s in separation from God (Hell); or in concordance and unity (Heaven). - But who am I to say, it’s up to you to decide. - I do think, however, that I’m more in line with the Roman Catholic Church when I say : states and not places. - I don’t think the Church interprets as literal as you do either.

People condemn themselves to Hell when they decide to flee from God. - Do I think it’s a literal place of hellfire and forks and demons? Of course not. - I actually think it’s worse. - It’s nothing physical. It’s not pain.** It’s desolation, loneliness, absurd, meaninglessness, emptiness**, nihilism. It’s life without God.

However we look at it, I reckon the most important is we focus this life now, and on goodness and faith in Christ, and love.

Godspeed you!

And, many believers face this in their lives, if not most of their lives all of their lives here on earth. So, they must believe there is something else other than the hell they lived all their life. It’s not wishful thinking, it’s faith and belief based on faith and belief.

 

[AidanM32]

I don’t think you can reach heaven or find when you are alive. I think it is a place around us but its only visible when you die! If that makes since.

Aidan.

 

[1WATCHER]

Is it at all possible that heaven and hell are planets in the universe, but it is impossible for anyone alive to reach said planet of heaven?
Jéan Montalo

No, but at least in the life that you are living you are THINKING of God and are being drawn to him in these ways that allow you to question your eternal place. Keep on coming to him