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Our local paper had an article about Pope John Paul ll and the article stated that the Holy Father said that heaven is a state of mind. My co-worker is upset because she said that means to her that there is no heaven. I did not know how to respond, it has me wondering what this really means. Anyone have a response, I would really appreciate the enlightenment.
 
I don’t know the quote you mentioned, but I found this quote:

“Heaven is not a place in the clouds, but a living and personal relationship of union with the Holy Trinity.” - Pope John Paul II

It seems to me like this is emphasizing that the “physical” world proceeded from God’s words – therefore God’s words are more REAL than the physical world. When we are in relationship with God, that is more important than WHERE we are. The place becomes insignificant; the person is everything.

I doubt the “state of mind” comment was made by the Pope, without a great deal of clarifying context around it.

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Is there a copy online you could link?

Or, if it’s enough of a quote, try googling it, get the name of where it was from, find it on vatican.va…etc
 
I also would recommend viewing the comments of the Holy Father in context and not hearsay or paraphrased.

In the meantime, it isn’t necessary to believe in heaven as a physical, material location as we might imagine it. Remember, it is the dwelling place of God, who is pure spirit, the abode of angels (also spirits) and, in the end, the place prepared for our eternal abode when our souls shall be reunited with our glorified bodies. It thus has to be a place fitting for this type of life.

Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
**II. HEAVEN
1023 ** Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:
By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.
1024 This perfect life with the Most Holy Trinity - this communion of life and love with the Trinity, with the Virgin Mary, the angels and all the blessed - is called “heaven.” Heaven is the ultimate end and fulfillment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness.
**1025 ** To live in heaven is “to be with Christ.” The elect live “in Christ,” but they retain, or rather find, their true identity, their own name.
For life is to be with Christ; where Christ is, there is life, there is the kingdom.
1026 By his death and Resurrection, Jesus Christ has “opened” heaven to us. The life of the blessed consists in the full and perfect possession of the fruits of the redemption accomplished by Christ. He makes partners in his heavenly glorification those who have believed in him and remained faithful to his will. Heaven is the blessed community of all who are perfectly incorporated into Christ.
1027 This mystery of blessed communion with God and all who are in Christ is beyond all understanding and description. Scripture speaks of it in images: life, light, peace, wedding feast, wine of the kingdom, the Father’s house, the heavenly Jerusalem, paradise: “no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him.”
1028 Because of his transcendence, God cannot be seen as he is, unless he himself opens up his mystery to man’s immediate contemplation and gives him the capacity for it. The Church calls this contemplation of God in his heavenly glory “the beatific vision”:
How great will your glory and happiness be, to be allowed to see God, to be honored with sharing the joy of salvation and eternal light with Christ your Lord and God, . . . to delight in the joy of immortality in the Kingdom of heaven with the righteous and God’s friends.
1029 In the glory of heaven the blessed continue joyfully to fulfill God’s will in relation to other men and to all creation. Already they reign with Christ; with him “they shall reign for ever and ever.”
 
Rebecca New:
Our local paper had an article about Pope John Paul ll and the article stated that the Holy Father said that heaven is a state of mind. My co-worker is upset because she said that means to her that there is no heaven. I did not know how to respond, it has me wondering what this really means. Anyone have a response, I would really appreciate the enlightenment.
That statement is incorrect. Heaven, even in the Bible, is stated as a location for our spiritual bodies. I hate it when liberal news media purposely misinterprets religious quotes so it fits their agenda. If someone actually USED THEIR HEAD, they would be able to comprehend the various comments.
 
Please do not be upset about the media, it is just made up of people like me, dumb at times: but seeking the truth. I was asking this question because I am trying to plant seeds. Isn’t it funny that “fertilizer” makes plants grow. Please be patient, God isn’t finished with me.
 
Q: What is heaven? I need the best answer you can give me, because my friend who asked me this is kind of hard to convince!

A: The modern mind understandably — almost commendably, one might say — has a lot of difficulty with a heaven imagined in popular terms. The benign, bearded Grandfather on a throne in the clouds, surrounded by plump babies with wings and larger ones in their nighties blowing trumpets, is both difficult to place in the cosmos and singularly unattractive to most of the denizens of the twenty-first century.

Just when I was wondering where I would come up with a “best answer” that would persuade your friend, the Pope bailed me out. Last year he explained that heaven is not, as many people imagine, “a place in the clouds.” The press — well the cheap press, anyway — immediately got excited and produced headlines leading one to believe that the Catholic doctrine of heaven had been abolished. Fortunately for all of us, it’s still there.

Except “there’s no there there,” at least not in the sense that you and I are used to using the term. We know that in heaven are present the physical, glorified bodies of at least Christ the Lord and the Blessed Virgin Mary (and also, perhaps, Enoch, Elijah, and Moses), and we know that after the General Resurrection on the Last Day, the bodies of all people who have ever died will be reunited with their souls for eternity. So in some sense we can speak of heaven as a “place,” but what we don’t know is what kind of a “place” heaven is when it comes to concepts such as space and time. Recall how jarring it was for the Apostles to see Christ, in His glorified, resurrected body, walk through the “place” where a wall was, as he entered the room unannounced in Acts 20:19-20). Clearly, the physical characteristics of the life of heavenly glory in the Resurrection are radically beyond anything we have experience with in this mortal life.

In short, we simply don’t know and can’t understand what it will be like until we get there ourselves.

One thing is for sure, though: Heaven is not a “place” in the way we understand the term. It’s much more that that. It’s a state of total happiness that transcends anything we are familiar with. The Holy Father described heaven as “the fullness of communion with God which awaits all those who have welcomed Him into their lives and who have sincerely opened themselves to Him. Divine Revelation teaches us that heaven is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living and personal relationship of union with the Holy Trinity. Heaven is our definitive meeting with the Father which takes place in the Risen Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit” (General Audience, 21 July 1999).

To put it in words your friend might understand better: Heaven is the most dizzying love affair with the most marvelous Person we will ever know, in its most exhilarating expression and with the certainty that it will go on for ever. “Definitive, supreme happiness,” says the Catechism. Beyond that, I’m delighted to say, I can’t really go, because “no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him” (1 Cor 2:9; cf. CCC 1024 -1027).
 
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