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I like the first Cds Apocalytica did, they started out as finnish classical music students who listened to Metallica, they now have several albums that are pretty cool. It’s just four cellos originally but then they added drums and a singer. As a cellist I have to say it’s pretty cool.
 
quaero said:
I like the first Cds Apocalytica did, they started out as finnish classical music students who listened to Metallica, they now have several albums that are pretty cool. It’s just four cellos originally but then they added drums and a singer. As a cellist I have to say it’s pretty cool.
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Those albums are cool. I also like a band called Hayseed Dixie. They do bluegrass versions of AC/DC songs.😃
 
KGM06 said:
I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia.
Time and time again its entries have proven to be wrong.

But the old Metallica is good stuff. Creeping Death is a excellent example (and I always thought that the Metallica songs copyrighted by Creeping Death Music was Cliff Burton’s stuff, shrug I may be wrong on that, but the change in music style and theme is painfuly obvious since his death):
(verse)
Slaves
Hebrews born to serve, to the pharaoh
Heed
To his every word, live in fear
Faith
Of the unknown one, the deliverer
Wait
Something must be done, four hundred years

(Chorus)
So let it be written
So let it be done
I’m sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh’s son
I’m creeping death

(verse)
Now
Let my people go, land of Goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong down the Nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire

(Chorus)

Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man

(verse)
I
Rule the midnight air, the destroyer
Born
I shall soon be there, deadly mass
I
Creep the steps and floor, final darkness
Blood
Lambs blood painted door, I shall pass

(Chorus)

Good Old Testament stuff.
Cliff Burton was the man. He was a very talented musician and songwriter. Like the last bit he wrote before his death:

“When a man lies, he murders some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives.
All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?”

(what I understand he took parts of that passage from a couple different books or movies, but still, to put them together so wonderfully)
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I didn’t post the link because the article contains a lot of profanity, but I saw an interview from Guitar Player magazine where Burton was watching Ten Commandments movie and said Creeping Death. Hetfield told him to write it down. Then Hetfield watched the movie and finished the song. So, I’m not sure who had more (name removed by moderator)ut into the lyrics, Burton or Hetfield.
 
Sister Of Charity
by 69 Eyes

A new day for a mission
Another sunrise in your heart

Gimme tears of the wrong
The hate of convicts
The glamour of the damned
Rule of Benedict

I’ve never seen the dawn like this before
Tears on the night turn to diamonds in your eyes
In the face of the world’s ugliness
Sister of charity
Remains a mystery

Love shines over aggression
Another wound heals in your heart

Gimme fears of the strong
The warfare politics
The decay of the west
Rule of Benedict

I’ve never seen the dawn like this before
Tears on the night turn to diamonds in your eyes
In the face of the world’s ugliness
Sister of charity
Remains a mystery

The album is called Devils but it’s pretty miss leading, the first song, which is called devils contains the line “Who told you about a God who does not care…”

and an example of my favorite band in the world

I’m drained but aching for more
And the devil inside is reading
The words of the saddest poem
To be engraved on the stone of my grave

I’d kill to share your pain
(And carry the shame)
And sell my soul for you just to say

I dream what you’re dreaming
And feel what you’re feeling
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the face of god

Nothing will be enough
For the ones Who keep on stumbling
In the garden of withering trust
Without the courage to leave

Oh I’d take my life for your kiss
(Grant me my wish)
And lose it all to take you across the abyss

I dream what you’re dreaming
And feel what you’re feeling
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the face of god

You dream what I’m Dreaming
And See what I’m seeing
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the Face of God

Labrynth in a shape of a heart
Love’s secret architecture
I find myself to be lost in the
Arms of your fate

I’d kill to share you pain
(And carry the shame)
And sell my soul for you just to say
Love’s name in vein
Again and again

I dream what you’re dreaming
And feel what you’re feeling
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the face of god

You dream what I’m Dreaming
And See what I’m seeing
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the face of god
Love’s our shadow on the wall
With the face of
(Face of)
The face of
(Face of)
God

(Face of)
God
 
First of all sorry for my bad English :).

I see there’re lot of Christian metal heads here. Just as I am. But no one of ‘power-guys’ mentioned ’ HelloWeen’… I wonder why. At the same time ‘Blind Guardian’, ‘Rhapsody’ and the others not-very-Christian-bands are listed. Is there something wrong with pumpkins? Also, is there anybody who does like ‘Narnia’ (power progressive band from Sweden) or ‘Emotion’?
 
Paladinus said:
First of all sorry for my bad English :).

I see there’re lot of Christian metal heads here. Just as I am. But no one of ‘power-guys’ mentioned ’ HelloWeen’…
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I like them.
Also, is there anybody who does like ‘Narnia’ (power progressive band from Sweden) or ‘Emotion’?
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Sorry, I have not heard of them.
 
Paladinus, welcome to the site! There aren’t a lot of Catholics who are into power metal, so it’s nice to meet another one!

I definitely love and give full respect to Helloween. They are really the grandfathers of the European strain of power metal. Keeper of the Seven Keys Parts I and II are must owns for any power metal fan.

Now as to why I didn’t mention them, I’ll tell you why I don’t of them when I start listing the top power metal bands. And I bet others might have the same reasoning. First off, I’ve never really be able to get into the Andi Deris-era. Second, from an American perspective, they are nowhere near the top of the genre anymore. Three years ago, very few power metal bands could tour the US at all (due to the small fanbase). Since then, everything has changed. ProgPower in Atlanta gave many European bands their first exposure to the American market. Many of these have now done partial or full tours of the US: Blind Guardian, Rhapsody, Sonata Arctica, Gamma Ray, Edguy, Stratovarius. Some of these bands are on their second US tour now. These bands are all big or growing here. Meanwhile, Helloween is not really visible. When power metal is talked about here, all those other names seem to come up well before Helloween is mentioned. So I think what you’re hearing might be just a result of the US perspective, sure to be different in Europe.

Also, I wouldn’t call these bands “not-very-Christian”. While they are not Christian bands, they are simply secular bands. “Not-very-Christian” sounds like they are somehow anti-Christian 🙂

I am pretty new to Narnia. I recently got Awakening, but that’s the only album I’m familiar with it. I like it.

Never heard of Emotion.
 
Thanks, Wampa. Nice to meet you too.

Alright… I get it. But this is American view. Here, in Europe, they have plenty of tours. And their concerts are still great. About Deris. Did you listen to his solo albums? These ones are very ‘Christianic’. And very soft either. Deris has some problems with reincarnation and the other false ideas that can’t be connected with Christianity, but still. And what you think about Kiske’s projects? ‘Place Vendome’ is a real nice stuff IMHO.
With ‘not-very-Christian’ I meant that those bands haven’t too much Christian lyrics (but they do have). ‘Blind Guardian’ e.g. have too much anticlerical influence on their lyrics. And Timo Tolkki from ‘Stratovarius’ is a real anti-Christian, but the band somehow can avoid it in the music (mainly).

The last album of ‘Narnia’ (‘Enter the Gate’) is much more progressive than the others. So I like it the most.
‘Emotion’ is another powerprog band. Sometime they have some similarities with ‘Masterplan’. Really interesting band.

Hope my English is understandable…
 
Joe_5859 said:
I saw Saviour Machine at Cornerstone back in 2001. That was right after Legend III:I came out. It was definitely an awesome show!
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Wow, you are an extremely fortunate man! All I can do is read online reviews of their shows. 😦
Joe_5859 said:
I’m from Chicago area originally, but am now in Ohio.
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Any chance you were at the the Manowar/Rhapsody show in Cleveland back in June 2005? Since that was as far west as they came, 6 of us road-tripped from MN for that show (I went for Rhapsody, most of them went for Manowar or the combo of the two). Great show!
 
Paladinus, yes, your English is very understandable! What country do you live in?

I figured that’s what you meant by “not-very-Christian”.

I haven’t heard any Deris solo. The only Kiske solo I know is Place Vendome. I just got it recently and haven’t really listened to it much yet.
 
That’s good. I was afraid of misunderstanding. I’m from Belarus (I wonder if you know where it is).

Here are my favorite songs from Deris’ solos:
‘Come In From The Rain’ (about finding the Faith)
‘Back Again’ (about the Second Advent IMHO)
Check out the lyrics.
Kiske’s solo projects are not metal mainly (because Kiske considers metal as music that corrupts soul). He has recorded four solo albums (the last one has no any electric guitars at all), one album with ‘Place Vendome’ (he’s not a founder actually) and one album with ‘Supared’. He’s an extraordinary person. But sometimes he’s rather weird.

And what about ‘Rage’? 'Tis one of the most favorite bands of mine. And Victor Smolski is from Belarus, what makes this band even better 🙂

You have mentioned ‘Gamma Ray’. I didn’t know that they’re popular outside Europe… And ‘Rhapsody’. You lads are really lucky! To get to some metal fest with some famous band (and not doom nor black nor grind) I have to go to the Poland or Ukrain.
 
Re online radio station that play power metal, I find myself stuck in the library doing online research, so I’ve been testing some out. After a few false starts, I did find one with a great mix:

live365.com/stations/vongoober

In the past 30 minutes, I’ve heard Blind Guardian, Deris-era Helloween, Dragonforce, and Vision Divine, and even found something I’ve never heard before that’s intriguing: Thalion. Anyway, this might be a good channel to check out to get a good overview of bands in this genre.
 
I agree with UKcatholic guy on listening to heavy metal. Music goes into the soul deeper and quicker than words. Such music will not lead you closer to God and it is detrimental. I’d recommend ordering the 3 CD set called “Morality and Music” by Fr. Basil Nortz to all who claim that heavy metal and rock music is benign. <www.opussanctorumangelorum.org>. In the last CD, “What is Wrong with Rock Music?” , Father Nortz makes a great argument using only people who like and promote and who play rock music. Order it and then let us discuss it!

Also, I happened to hear on NPR, the reporter telling how the Marines blasted (‘softened up’) Falluja with heavy metal rock music before starting the assault on that city a couple of years ago. Now what is about such music that makes it capable of assaulting the soul of the enemy in advance of attacking his body?

Heavy metal is just another variation of rock music. Jimi Hendrix and Rolling Stones pioneered it. And I can tell you from personal experience that lots of people were openly smoking grass and doing drugs at the Led Zeppelin concert I once attended as a teenager. Fr. Corapi said he was in the recording studio when Led Zeppelin was recording one of their big hits, maybe it was “Stairway to Heaven”. Fr. C. heard the band dedicate it to Satan.
Now I have been to many classical concerts and operas and noone does drugs at the concert.Now why is rock music conducive to doing drugs, whereas classical music is not?
I have read of stores who play classical music in the store or in the parking lot to discourage loitering of roudy kids. It works like a charm. The roudy kids leave.
 
I may type up a substantial reply later, but for the moment, your massively broad brush stroke has me wondering: does your assessment include the hundreds of Christian bands playing rock and metal?
 
Wampa said:
Any chance you were at the the Manowar/Rhapsody show in Cleveland back in June 2005? Since that was as far west as they came, 6 of us road-tripped from MN for that show (I went for Rhapsody, most of them went for Manowar or the combo of the two). Great show!
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No, I didn’t know they were even touring the US. 😦 Of course, in June 2005 I was getting married, so I suppose I was a bit distracted. 😉

I also greatly enjoy Helloween (Accent on the “Hello” 🙂 ). I do like most of the Deris-era stuff, probably because the first album of theirs I heard was 'Time of the Oath". “Revelation” from the “Better Than Raw” album is my all-time favorite Helloween song. There are definite Christian overtones in the song (at least the way I understand the lyrics). Although I am not fluent in Latin, I have read a translation of “Laudate Dominum” from the same album and it is totally Christian in content.

I have the first three Narnia albums but haven’t yet picked up their newer ones. I do like them a great deal, but I like Theocracy better 🙂
 
This is one thing that I disagree with in many teachings of Catholic and/or Christian faith. I don’t think that it should matter the kind of music you listen to. As long as you don’t seriously believe what the music is saying, and you don’t base your entire life around what the music says about god and the world, then I think that it shouldn’t matter. Sometimes I honestly think that all these protests against heavy metal bands are just made up by parents who have nothing better to do than try to bring back how things used to be. They can’t accept that there has been a change in times, and that people aren’t nearly as conservative as they used to be. This has been a major reason for all the bad publicity the entire subculture of metal fans gets and I think it’s wrong for the church, youth groups, and parents to dictate what music makes people happy and makes them able to be proud of who they are in this world.
 
KittyGabriel said:
This is one thing that I disagree with in many teachings of Catholic and/or Christian faith. I don’t think that it should matter the kind of music you listen to. As long as you don’t seriously believe what the music is saying, and you don’t base your entire life around what the music says about god and the world, then I think that it shouldn’t matter. Sometimes I honestly think that all these protests against heavy metal bands are just made up by parents who have nothing better to do than try to bring back how things used to be. They can’t accept that there has been a change in times, and that people aren’t nearly as conservative as they used to be. This has been a major reason for all the bad publicity the entire subculture of metal fans gets and I think it’s wrong for the church, youth groups, and parents to dictate what music makes people happy and makes them able to be proud of who they are in this world.
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There is nothing in the Catechism that says to protest a genre of music. I really do not see this continuing anyway, since most parents today grew up on that style of music anyway. It’s been around since the late 60’s.
 
Yes but the problem is that so many people in the world, use religion and god as a way to censor music.
 
What each person listens to matters. And with the internet, you can listen to music from around the world. But you need to look at the content of the music, the lyrics, to determine if what you want to enjoy has any virtue. What is good and what is not according to the Bible has not changed. If the lyrics do not contain any virtuous attribute, that music should be avoided.

Heavy Metal bands sometimes also project a certain image that is unGodly and not virtuous.

God bless,
Ed
 
Here’s a blog by Jimmy Akin, one of our Catholic apologists, discussing this very topic. Turns out listening to heavy metal ain’t so wrong after all.

jimmyakin.org/2005/07/bad_music.html

PS I know the posts at the top of this page are a bit old now, but I would like to say that Helloween rocks! My favorite song is “Keeper of the Seven Keys”
 
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