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Gregorian chant?
Also Christian contemporary music is a good alternative if you find the artists who don’t tend to sing specifically Protestant themes/tenets. I’m thinking of Bebo Norman, Caedmon’s Call, etc.

Pax Christi tecum.
 
I doubt that a self-proclaimed agnostic like R McGeddon can answer this.
On the contrary, I am 43 years old and have been a Heavy Metal fan since my teens.
Heavy Metal bands that are anti religion, are against all religions not just catholicism.
 
I’ve heard that too. I agree with you UndertheRadar. I think Heavy Metal music is bad both since most have bad lyrics and also because the music tends toward anger and violence and disorder. If you’re going to listen to music and let something get into your mind and heart and soul, why not make sure you listen to good Catholic music that encourages you in the Faith? We have so much against us as it is, why add the music we listen to?
That is your perception, and it is way off.
 
Demons are a part of religion and are, as a consequence, a matter faith not fact.
Just because something is a matter of faith does not mean it is not a matter of fact. Reality consists of both material and spiritual existence; both the seen and unseen are within reality.

Pax Christi tecum.
 
Anyways… I thought this was about the morality of music, not the existence of demons…
 
This thread reeks of mud-slinging. :rolleyes:

There is no official stance or document on any genre of music, because listening to it is not intrinsically immoral. In other words, it may be a sin for some, and not for others. It all depends on if listening to metal leads you to sin, whether in act or thought. If it doesn’t, you can listen to it with a clear conscience. If it does, you need to find something else to listen to. (I’m in favor of the Gregorian chant - love it)

I was very much into metal about a year ago, and my tastes have since morphed into classic/hard rock. I was never affected by the lyrics, and simply considered them someone else’s opinion. However, one must be careful not to support bands with anti-Christian/Catholic messages, because that can be a sin even if the music itself does not lead you to sin.

In a nutshell, no, heavy metal is not against Catholicism (as a general rule).
 
Just because something is a matter of faith does not mean it is not a matter of fact. Reality consists of both material and spiritual existence; both the seen and unseen are within reality.
If something is a matter of fact, faith is irrelevant.
 
This thread reeks of mud-slinging. :rolleyes:

There is no official stance or document on any genre of music, because listening to it is not intrinsically immoral. In other words, it may be a sin for some, and not for others. It all depends on if listening to metal leads you to sin, whether in act or thought. If it doesn’t, you can listen to it with a clear conscience. If it does, you need to find something else to listen to. (I’m in favor of the Gregorian chant - love it)

I was very much into metal about a year ago, and my tastes have since morphed into classic/hard rock. I was never affected by the lyrics, and simply considered them someone else’s opinion. However, one must be careful not to support bands with anti-Christian/Catholic messages, because that can be a sin even if the music itself does not lead you to sin.

In a nutshell, no, heavy metal is not against Catholicism (as a general rule).
Well, thanks for trying to re-rail the thread, even if it didn’t work…
But yeah, I agree with you.
 
Well, thanks for trying to re-rail the thread, even if it didn’t work…
But yeah, I agree with you.
Hahahaha. Yes, my words don’t seem to have had any effect. :rolleyes: Oh well. I appreciate the endorsement anyway.
 
Listening to Heavy Metal is like buying a really expensive filet mignon and dousing it with a ton of tabasco sauce. You lost the flavor of the steak in the sauce.

Enjoy the finer things in music, try classical music, chants, etc.
 
Enjoy the finer things in music, try classical music, chants, etc.
Yeah, I think that part of the problem is that we’re sometimes too closed-minded. I don’t know why listening to classical music has a sort of a freak stereotype around it. Actually, a bunch of bands cite classical music as one of their influences. Old-fashioned doesn’t automatically equal bad. Then again, we shouldn’t automatically dismiss everything that’s modern either…
 
Demons are not “superstitious”. I agree with The Otaku on this matter.
Thank you.

I’d also like to add that demons have been with us through music since ancient times. This isn’t anything new. Most music has roots in ancient paganism carried through the centuries through our diverse ethnic bloodlines. The examples are numerous but lets take the irish people. Their ancestors, the celts, were big time pagans. They worshiped multiple gods and had spiritual ties with familiar spirits (ie- fairies, elves, etc). One of the things they would do during a seance or summoning ritual was play music, and it was through the beats and rhythms that the demons (who took the forms of gods, fairies, etc. to deceive humans into idol worship) were conjured, as the beats and so forth played an important part in the summoning process. You could go so far as to say that the beats and rhythms are the actual incantation itself, and when one would give themselves over to the beat, they opened themselves up as mediums to the music, accompanied with their chanting and dancing.

The music may have changed over the centuries to what it is today, but the demons have not lost the knowledge of how they can use music or manipulate the people playing it (whether the person plays the instruments themselves or listens to them on a cd makes almost no difference and I don’t even want to fathom how many demons are released at live concerts), and though there is less and less summoning or gateways produced because people are not intentionally trying to summon them (except for satanists, cults, and stupid kids playing with ouija boards and the like) the demons, nevertheless, have potential points of entry with the music. The reason some music is more powerful than others at generating a gateway is because it retains more of the ethnic ties and beats than others do (celtic music for instance is still pretty faithful to it’s tradition) or because it and the people listening to/playing it, give themselves more freely to the music, and so to the evil.

All counties are guilty of this some point in their history and some still are to this day. The white man, the africans, the asians, everyone is responsible. The one thing we have in common in this case, is that our ancient ancestors used music to commune with spirits. Just as we can summon the presence of God and the holy angels with gregorian chants, ethnic music can summon the demons, not because the music itself or even the lyrics are evil, but because of the beats and rhythms and the ancestral ties the music has to the demons and how the demons have been able to follow these bloodlines through history.

Demons are very clever. One of the ways they’ve been able to keep ethnic music with us is by instilling ethnic pride in people, which is inherently pagan at it’s roots. There’s actually nothing “new” about this “new age” movement, either. The concepts of new age are pagan and date back to the same ancient times as the pagan music does. New age and ethnic pride are just two of the tools the demons use to give themselves moments of opportunity to influence us and make their presence here stronger.

We shouldn’t underestimate this issue. This topic may be about heavy metal, but it transcends all music, which is why it’s vital to safeguard ourselves. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a particular type of music, but be aware that the spirits know what type of beats of what type of rhymes have an affect on you, and they will draw you to these types of beats and rhythms. They’re able to have an influence on us because we’re open to that influence and because the sins of our ancestors are carried down to us if those ties were not spiritually cut and forgiven somewhere down the line.

I think it’s a good idea that if you MUST listen to it, to say the St. Michael prayer, the guardian angel prayer, and then cross yourself before listening so as to ward off the demons so you’re able to enjoy the music without attracting their unwanted attention. It’s still no gurantee though, since the protect will be proportionate to your faith, and if you treat the angels like some sort of magic trick they cannot help you.
 
Yeah, I think that part of the problem is that we’re sometimes too closed-minded. I don’t know why listening to classical music has a sort of a freak stereotype around it. Actually, a bunch of bands cite classical music as one of their influences. Old-fashioned doesn’t automatically equal bad. Then again, we shouldn’t automatically dismiss everything that’s modern either…
just a little note it is most often that the heavy metal bands cite classical influence and instruction in the classical music. metallica is one,they even did a joint album with an orchastra,led zepplian is another that comes to mind…actually i enjoy listening to classical music.there are some very moving pieces.
 
I’d also like to add that demons have been with us through music since ancient times. This isn’t anything new. Most music has roots in ancient paganism carried through the centuries through our diverse ethnic bloodlines. The examples are numerous but lets take the irish people. Their ancestors, the celts, were big time pagans. They worshiped multiple gods and had spiritual ties with familiar spirits (ie- fairies, elves, etc). One of the things they would do during a seance or summoning ritual was play music, and it was through the beats and rhythms that the demons (who took the forms of gods, fairies, etc. to deceive humans into idol worship) were conjured, as the beats and so forth played an important part in the summoning process. You could go so far as to say that the beats and rhythms are the actual incantation itself, and when one would give themselves over to the beat, they opened themselves up as mediums to the music, accompanied with their chanting and dancing.

The music may have changed over the centuries to what it is today, but the demons have not lost the knowledge of how they can use music or manipulate the people playing it (whether the person plays the instruments themselves or listens to them on a cd makes almost no difference and I don’t even want to fathom how many demons are released at live concerts), and though there is less and less summoning or gateways produced because people are not intentionally trying to summon them (except for satanists, cults, and stupid kids playing with ouija boards and the like) the demons, nevertheless, have potential points of entry with the music. The reason some music is more powerful than others at generating a gateway is because it retains more of the ethnic ties and beats than others do (celtic music for instance is still pretty faithful to it’s tradition) or because it and the people listening to/playing it, give themselves more freely to the music, and so to the evil.

All counties are guilty of this some point in their history and some still are to this day. The white man, the africans, the asians, everyone is responsible. The one thing we have in common in this case, is that our ancient ancestors used music to commune with spirits. Just as we can summon the presence of God and the holy angels with gregorian chants, ethnic music can summon the demons, not because the music itself or even the lyrics are evil, but because of the beats and rhythms and the ancestral ties the music has to the demons and how the demons have been able to follow these bloodlines through history.

Demons are very clever. One of the ways they’ve been able to keep ethnic music with us is by instilling ethnic pride in people, which is inherently pagan at it’s roots. There’s actually nothing “new” about this “new age” movement, either. The concepts of new age are pagan and date back to the same ancient times as the pagan music does. New age and ethnic pride are just two of the tools the demons use to give themselves moments of opportunity to influence us and make their presence here stronger.

We shouldn’t underestimate this issue. This topic may be about heavy metal, but it transcends all music, which is why it’s vital to safeguard ourselves. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a particular type of music, but be aware that the spirits know what type of beats of what type of rhymes have an affect on you, and they will draw you to these types of beats and rhythms. They’re able to have an influence on us because we’re open to that influence and because the sins of our ancestors are carried down to us if those ties were not spiritually cut and forgiven somewhere down the line.

I think it’s a good idea that if you MUST listen to it, to say the St. Michael prayer, the guardian angel prayer, and then cross yourself before listening so as to ward off the demons so you’re able to enjoy the music without attracting their unwanted attention. It’s still no gurantee though, since the protect will be proportionate to your faith, and if you treat the angels like some sort of magic trick they cannot help you.
This complete rubbish. If there is a god, how do you know what music he listens to? he could be a Heavy Metal fan himself, for all you know. You’re just twisting things to suit your agenda. You haven’t one shred of evidence to support your utterly ridiculous claim.

Furthermore, if there was anything to your claim, the amount of music being played at any one time, whether live or recording, the entire planet would be overrun with demons.

What I said in an earlier post about fear getting people to be compliant, it’s certainly working for you. You sound as though your’re scared of your own shadow.
 
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