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imadesomanymist
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if we sin willfully does it mean its over for us and we go to hell?
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seagal
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God forgives and continues to forgive until the moment of your death, as long as you are sorry for your sins.
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JerryZ
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Did NOT Jesus give HIS power to the Apostles to Forgive OR Retain sins?
Repent, confess your sins to one of the successors of the Apostles and receive God’s forgiveness. His mercy is infinite.
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petra22
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How many times should we forgive our brother? 7 x 70?? Jesus will forgive us more than that!
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Hieronymi
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§ Ver. 26. If we sin wilfully. He speaks of the sin of wilful apostacy from the known truth; after which, as we cannot be baptized again, we cannot expect to have that abundant remission of sins, which Christ purchased by his death, applied to our souls in that ample manner as it is in baptism; but we have rather all manner of reason to look for a dreadful judgment; the more, because apostates from the know truth seldom or never have the grace to return to it.
*Haydock, G. L. (1859). Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary (Heb 10:26).
§ Vs. 26–31 Apostasy—26–29. The sin contemplated is deliberate and persistent rejection of the truth once sufficiently received. For such sinners, on account of their moral condition, no sacrifice is operative and there is no prospect but the wrath of God. Much worse than the capital crime of blasphemy, mercilessly punished with death under the old legislation, is the sin of him who has trampled on the Son of God, treated the sanctifying blood of the Covenant as a common thing-of-nothing, and outraged the Spirit of grace.
*Leonard, W. (1953). The Epistle to the Hebrews
§ CCC 677 By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one’s works, and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love. (see also, CCC 1021 -CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
§ St. John Chrysostom Homily 20 on Hebrews 10:26-27
§ Numbers 15:30, 1 Samuel 2:25, 1 Timothy 2:4, Hebrews 6:4 Hebrews 6:6, 2 Peter 2:20, 2 Peter 2:21
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dmar198
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The classic interpretation of Hebrews 10:26-27 is that it is talking about those who persevere in apostasy until death. The Haydock Bible Commentary says this: “The apostle declares [that] there is no [remission] for the guilt of a person who perseveres and dies in apostacy.” “[Apart from that,] apostacy, though enormous, like all other sins can be forgiven by true repentance.” There are several lines of support to this interpretation. One is that if you continue the quote, he says that the flame of fire will “destroy the adversaries.” If they had repented, they wouldn’t be adversaries any longer. That indicates that they remained apostates until death, and those are the ones he says no longer have a sacrifice for their sins. The Church Fathers also understood the passage to be talking about permanent apostasy, and it is a frequent theme in the New Testament, which Jesus talks about when He discusses the sin against the Holy Spirit.
Moreover, the Knox Bible translates “if we sin” as “if we go on sinning” and explains in its footnote that the Greek text uses a verb tense for ongoing action. The result is that we should interpret this as someone who is in a state of sin, and the Apostle is merely saying that if a man who is in a state of sin (rather than a state of grace) cannot get into heaven. That just means you have to repent, it doesn’t mean repentance won’t do any good.
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Hebrews 10:25-26 and “sinning deliberately”
Primary meaning = Hebrews is addressing Jewish Christians in the early Church who have been “sprinkled” or Baptized Christians (who have been born of water and spirit or “hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.”), who are pressured, and subsequently commit a specific sin deliberately and CONTINUE in that sin deliberately!
What sin are these people committing deliberately and continuing to commit deliberately?
Fortunately the same passage pericope tells us so we don’t have to guess.
They “neglect to meet together as is the habit of some.” They choose to leave the “assembly” (the Eucharistic assembly), and thus leave or “spurn the blood of the” New Covenant to go back to the Old Covenant. And then they REMAIN obstinate in this sin.
They leave and “keep on leaving” so to speak (they leave and REMAIN absent from the Church). Apostasy (see CCC 2089).
Thanks to dmar198, Hieronymi, and the late Msgr. Knox for illustrating this ONGOING committing of this sin (which is WHY it is not forgiven–because the person doesn’t repent–they COULD with grace repent, but the verse builds in the fact these are the people that choose NOT to repent . . .ever.).
In other words, the people being discussed here chose to apostatize and choose to REMAIN in apostasy (they chose NOT to repent).
The verses do NOT mean that any apostate CANNOT repent (but when people do repent of sins, they even need God’s grace to do that too–see 2nd Timothy 2:24-26).
These verses are illustrating the guy who apostatizes and never repents. That’s WHY he has no Sacrifice “for the forgiveness of sins”; because he rejects the Sacrifice for forgiveness of sins.
There is secondary meaning for us today and Catholics of all ages as well.
We likewise cannot ditch the Eucharistic Assembly “as is the habit of some” and REMAIN “ditched” from the Eucharistic Assembly otherwise we too reject the Sacrifice of the Mass (which unites us to the Sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary).
The sin of Apostasy and REMAINING in the sin of Apostasy is very serious (See CCC 817 “Wounds to unity”).
CCC 2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.112 The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful "not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another."113
The Church sees Hebrews 10:25 as referring to the Mass (check out the footnotes of CCC 2178, esp. footnote 113).
HEBREWS 10:19-31 19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
BTW. This pressure to apostatize was evidently quite intense in the fledgeling Church. But there has always been extreme pressure to apostatize in various pockets all over the world. Also individually all Catholic people get times in their lives when they are at least implicitly and sometimes explicitly pressured to give up their faith. And before Christ’s Second Coming there will be what sounds like enormous universal pressure to apostatize from the Catholic faith (the above Hebrews verses have Eschatological meaning too).
The Church’s ultimate trial
CCC 675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth 575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
All Bible and CCC bold and underline mine (except “The Church’s ultimate trial”)
Primary meaning = Hebrews is addressing Jewish Christians in the early Church who have been “sprinkled” or Baptized Christians (who have been born of water and spirit or “hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.”), who are pressured, and subsequently commit a specific sin deliberately and CONTINUE in that sin deliberately!
What sin are these people committing deliberately and continuing to commit deliberately?
Fortunately the same passage pericope tells us so we don’t have to guess.
They “neglect to meet together as is the habit of some.” They choose to leave the “assembly” (the Eucharistic assembly), and thus leave or “spurn the blood of the” New Covenant to go back to the Old Covenant. And then they REMAIN obstinate in this sin.
They leave and “keep on leaving” so to speak (they leave and REMAIN absent from the Church). Apostasy (see CCC 2089).
Thanks to dmar198, Hieronymi, and the late Msgr. Knox for illustrating this ONGOING committing of this sin (which is WHY it is not forgiven–because the person doesn’t repent–they COULD with grace repent, but the verse builds in the fact these are the people that choose NOT to repent . . .ever.).
In other words, the people being discussed here chose to apostatize and choose to REMAIN in apostasy (they chose NOT to repent).
The verses do NOT mean that any apostate CANNOT repent (but when people do repent of sins, they even need God’s grace to do that too–see 2nd Timothy 2:24-26).
These verses are illustrating the guy who apostatizes and never repents. That’s WHY he has no Sacrifice “for the forgiveness of sins”; because he rejects the Sacrifice for forgiveness of sins.
There is secondary meaning for us today and Catholics of all ages as well.
We likewise cannot ditch the Eucharistic Assembly “as is the habit of some” and REMAIN “ditched” from the Eucharistic Assembly otherwise we too reject the Sacrifice of the Mass (which unites us to the Sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary).
The sin of Apostasy and REMAINING in the sin of Apostasy is very serious (See CCC 817 “Wounds to unity”).
CCC 2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.112 The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful "not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another."113
Tradition preserves the memory of an ever-timely exhortation: Come to Church early, approach the Lord, and confess your sins, repent in prayer. . . . Be present at the sacred and divine liturgy, conclude its prayer and do not leave before the dismissal. . . . We have often said: "This day is given to you for prayer and rest. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it."114
The Church sees Hebrews 10:25 as referring to the Mass (check out the footnotes of CCC 2178, esp. footnote 113).
HEBREWS 10:19-31 19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
BTW. This pressure to apostatize was evidently quite intense in the fledgeling Church. But there has always been extreme pressure to apostatize in various pockets all over the world. Also individually all Catholic people get times in their lives when they are at least implicitly and sometimes explicitly pressured to give up their faith. And before Christ’s Second Coming there will be what sounds like enormous universal pressure to apostatize from the Catholic faith (the above Hebrews verses have Eschatological meaning too).
The Church’s ultimate trial
CCC 675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth 575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
All Bible and CCC bold and underline mine (except “The Church’s ultimate trial”)
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