Hell doesn't scare me enough

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Most of what we were taught about hell, came out of Dante’s fictional account in his book, Inferno.

As other’s have said, hell is separation from God.

Keep in mind what St Pope John Paul II said, “God doesn’t send souls to hell, they go there on their own when they reject God.”

Those of us who have faith in Jesus Christ, are saved from Hell providing they remain faithful and do as he commanded, i,e, love one another.

Jim
Plenty of people live their earthly lives completely separated from God though and appear to be content with it, so in theory, hell, may not be the punishment its made out to be…if someone is truthfully content without God in their earthly lives, why would their afterlife be any different? Actually they may be more ‘comfortable’ in hell than heaven, since heaven would be something they are unfamiliar with…just a thought.
 
Plenty of people live their earthly lives completely separated from God though and appear to be content with it, so in theory, hell, may not be the punishment its made out to be…if someone is truthfully content without God in their earthly lives, why would their afterlife be any different? Actually they may be more ‘comfortable’ in hell than heaven, since heaven would be something they are unfamiliar with…just a thought.
However upon death you meet God, and you truly understand love and what it means to be with God. So while most may claim to be happy without God in their lives on earth, there will be no denying it in the afterlife, whether it be heaven or hell…
 
Plenty of people live their earthly lives completely separated from God though and appear to be content with it, so in theory, hell, may not be the punishment its made out to be…if someone is truthfully content without God in their earthly lives, why would their afterlife be any different? Actually they may be more ‘comfortable’ in hell than heaven, since heaven would be something they are unfamiliar with…just a thought.
Everyone is in search of happiness, regardless of where they’re looking.

Those who do not have God in their lives, will search for happiness in all the wrong places and believe they have it. However, deep inside, they have a feeling of emptiness.

So, will they be content after death and come to know that what they’ve denied is the true source of happiness ?

I think not. In fact, after death, those who do not believe will have nothing, and will have no means of filling the void because they do not know God. That void will be hell.

Jim
 
Everyone is in search of happiness, regardless of where they’re looking.

Those who do not have God in their lives, will search for happiness in all the wrong places and believe they have it. However, deep inside, they have a feeling of emptiness.

So, will they be content after death and come to know that what they’ve denied is the true source of happiness ?

I think not. In fact, after death, those who do not believe will have nothing, and will have no means of filling the void because they do not know God. That void will be hell.

Jim
I’m not sure. If they believe, as you say, they have found happiness, then they have found the kind of happiness that satisfies them, don’t you think? This is not exactly a void. I tend to think that only those who ponder these questions, and have the leisure time to do so, are conflicted and experience a discontentment with the pleasures of earthly life. Many people most likely are too busy either enjoying life or struggling through it, or both, to think much about the afterlife.

From the perspective of my own Jewish tradition, hell never played a big role, or any role for that matter. The focus of life is life, not death or the afterlife, and enjoying life but, at the same time, making life better for others. What happens in the next life should not be our major–or even minor–concern. However, as a human being, it is hard not to be at least a little concerned.
 
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I’m not sure. If they believe, as you say, they have found happiness, then they have found the kind of happiness that satisfies them, don’t you think?
I don’t believe that they’re satisfied for they keep trying to find something in obtainjng more wealth, power and material things.
From the perspective of my own Jewish tradition, hell never played a big role, or any role for that matter.
Forgot who said it, but a Jewish Rabbi told a Catholic Priest, “we Jews created guilt, but you Catholics made an art out of it.”

Funny but has some truth to it. 🙂

Jim
 
I know I should be terrified of it, but popular depictions of Hell seem far more terrifying than the Hell described by philosophers and theologians. I just finished watching a video on the benefits of meditating on Hell, and the Hell he described was frightening, but far different from simply eternal separation from God. Granted, his Hell would prove more problematic in regards to God’s mercy and justice, but Hell doesn’t seem as scary if it doesn’t violate these divine attributes. How can I fear Hell more?
There have been many visions of hell by mystics in Church history, or even a few messages from the damned (which they were compelled to give, since the damned only desire those on earth to be damned with them) and all of them are dreadful. Theologians aim to explain God and are not apt towards long narratives. Mystics - approved by the Church as worthy of belief - are more valuable in so far as descriptive events are concerned.

You don’t need to have a palpable fear of hell to be growing in holiness: you simply need to understand that hell is real, and consciously eternal, and a person can go there through the rejection of grace.

A fear of hell is frequently a force that gets ‘the ball rolling’ and then attraction takes over as the primary motivator for a person to grow in grace. Fear of hell is an imperfect - but good - motivator, and longing for Heaven is an imperfect - but good - motivator, and then love of God is a perfect motivator. So God may not consider a strong fear of hell to be useful for your maturation at this point in time. The vast majority of people do not have a strong fear of hell at any given point in time. For some, this is out of presumption, which is a grave matter. For others, ignorance. But for others, it simply is not the most useful tool at the present time.

There were two episodes in my life when I had a very potent fear of hell. The first was when I was reverting back to Christianity. The second was when I was moving from protestant Christianity to Catholicism. I believe that purifying fear was a particularly valuable tool during those two periods in my life, but people are not interiorly converted through the same way.
 
Keep in mind what St Pope John Paul II said, “God doesn’t send souls to hell, they go there on their own when they reject God.”

Those of us who have faith in Jesus Christ, are saved from Hell providing they remain faithful and do as he commanded, i,e, love one another.
So even as fallible as we are, as long as we do our best to “keep the faith” as it were, there is a reasonable chance that we will avoid Hell.
 
So even as fallible as we are, as long as we do our best to “keep the faith” as it were, there is a reasonable chance that we will avoid Hell.
I believe this to be true.

I was reminded of this in Fr Rohr’s meditation this morning;
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
So faith, hope, love remain, these three;h but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:4-13
If God is love as defined by St Paul in the above verse, how can God be a tyrannical God who is keeping a list of things to send us to eternal damnation, when we seek to love him ?

God is Love as St John wrote and God’s mercy is for restorative justice, not retribution.

Jim
 
I believe this to be true.
See, I’ve always viewed God as an authority figure. Imagine a overly micro-managing boss constantly looking over your shoulder waiting for you to screw up so he can come down on you. Just as a person in a work environment can’t do their job effectively because they are constantly worried about getting in trouble over the slightest little thing, It’s difficult for me to see God in a positive light out of fear of doing something that will incur His wrath.
 
See, I’ve always viewed God as an authority figure. Imagine a overly micro-managing boss constantly looking over your shoulder waiting for you to screw up so he can come down on you. Just as a person in a work environment can’t do their job effectively because they are constantly worried about getting in trouble over the slightest little thing, It’s difficult for me to see God in a positive light out of fear of doing something that will incur His wrath.
I get that, but I think the most accurate analogy to our relationship to God, is the relationship between a parent and the child they love. It’s sometimes difficult to think in those terms because of the turbulence of life, the uncertainty of the hereafter, and not to mention the challenges the problem of evil creates for belief. But the idea of a wrathful, retributive God doesn’t evoke feelings of love, which is what He desires from us.

The previous poster who said “God’s mercy is for restorative justice, not retribution” is correct, IMO.
 
I get that, but I think the most accurate analogy to our relationship to God, is the relationship between a parent and the child they love.
Yes, but not all parents are created equal. Some are very strict on discipline and disguise it as “tough love” while other parents are more lenient.

I try to remain true to God but I constantly fail and fear the consequence. My fear (one of them, anyhow) is I might get myself into a state of mortal sin and die before I can get to confession. Which means I end up in the Hot Place for eternity.
 
Yes, but not all parents are created equal. Some are very strict on discipline and disguise it as “tough love” while other parents are more lenient.

I try to remain true to God but I constantly fail and fear the consequence. My fear (one of them, anyhow) is I might get myself into a state of mortal sin and die before I can get to confession. Which means I end up in the Hot Place for eternity.
I get that too, but God is what you would want for a perfect parent. Good parents only discipline to teach there children how to be loving. Some parents are bad, but that is not the type of parent God is. He can’t be bad. Lenient parents are not “good parents”, they are just weak parents.

I personally think mortal sin is much harder to commit than you might think…
 
You have to really try to commit a mortal sin. You can’t do it by accident. And you have to know what you are doing, know it is a grave sin, and not be coerced in any way. And there is the whole thing about it can’t be from habitual behaviors…Add it all together and it is kinda hard to do. You can sin, just not all grave matter is mortal sin.
 
You have to really try to commit a mortal sin. You can’t do it by accident. And you have to know what you are doing, know it is a grave sin, and not be coerced in any way. And there is the whole thing about it can’t be from habitual behaviors…Add it all together and it is kinda hard to do. You can sin, just not all grave matter is mortal sin.
Without going into detail, I’m guilty more often than you might think.
 
My former confessor, a priest with a doctorate in theology warned me that the conditions for committing mortal sin, are a guide and is not infallible doctrine.

Especially as science discovers biological reasons for influencing behaviors.

Rode rage for instance, is triggered by chemistry in the brain which causes a person to react impulsively before thinking.

Years ago, such behavior would be considered a mortal sin.

Jim
 
My former confessor, a priest with a doctorate in theology warned me that the conditions for committing mortal sin, are a guide and is not infallible doctrine.

Especially as science discovers biological reasons for influencing behaviors.
I’m not sure I completely agree. Using this logic, virtually any sinful act could be attributed to “psychological issues” and make the person less accountable.
 
I know I should be terrified of it, but popular depictions of Hell seem far more terrifying than the Hell described by philosophers and theologians. I just finished watching a video on the benefits of meditating on Hell, and the Hell he described was frightening, but far different from simply eternal separation from God. Granted, his Hell would prove more problematic in regards to God’s mercy and justice, but Hell doesn’t seem as scary if it doesn’t violate these divine attributes. How can I fear Hell more?
Several years ago I developed a severe toothache beginning on a Friday evening. I could not get a hold of my dentist and the pain was constant without any relief. I remember that after a number of hours of this pain, I would almost have given anything for a 10 second break from the suffering. It was unrelenting and would not stop. I kept thinking, "if only it would just quit for a few seconds…“thump, thump, thump, thump, thump” … without any relief. That must be one of the worse aspects about hell. This would make anyone extremely angry and hate themselves and others, from which would come utter frustration and dispair.

I realized afterwards that God was good to me to help me understand what a terrible thing hell really is … in a personal way that hit home.

Fear of hell may not be “the” driving force in our life, but it is there and a blessing in the times we may need it.
 
I’m not sure I completely agree. Using this logic, virtually any sinful act could be attributed to “psychological issues” and make the person less accountable.
Any sinful act ? No.

Sin is in the will, so it’s important in examining our conscience to discern if where we failed, if it was willful or compulsive without intent.

The best way of examining our conscience is to examine ourselves against the two commandments Jesus gave us, to love God with our entire being, and our neighbor as ourselves.

If it was willful act of a grave nature done with full knowledge, its a mortal sin.

If it was an act committed compulsively, then venial.

Jim
 
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