Hell Fire with Ice? Cold rooms when evil present?

[GodHeals]

Hi,

I hope this is correct forum?

How can there be fire and ice in hell at the same time, or is that figurative language? Not sure what the bible verses means. I know that comes before Dante’s Inferno, which i am not sure how how much the Catholic Church upholds.

I have heard rooms get cold sometimes when evil is present too. Why is that?? I wonder how the evil one being spiritual can affect the physical. Any ideas?

“In Dante’s Inferno, Satan is portrayed as a giant beast, frozen mid-breast in ice at the center of Hell.” - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Satan

wordonfire.org/WOF-TV/Commentaries-New/Fr–Barron-comments-on-Hell.aspx

“And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.”(Matthew 18:9)

“She opened Her hands once more, as She had done the two previous months. The rays [of light] appeared to penetrate the earth, and we saw, as it were, a vast sea of fire. Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls [of the damned]. The latter were like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, having human forms. They were floating about in that conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames which issued from within themselves, together with great clouds of smoke. Now they fell back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fright (it must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons were distinguished [from the souls of the damned] by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. That vision only lasted for a moment, thanks to our good Heavenly Mother, Who at the first apparition had promised to take us to Heaven. Without that, I think that we would have died of terror and fear.”
fatima.org/essentials/facts/hell.asp

 

[followingtheway]

I know that comes before Dante’s Inferno, which i am not sure how how much the Catholic Church upholds.

As far I know, Dante’s inferno is fiction. It’s not the actual revelation. Dante didn’t really go to hell. It’s fiction

 

[ChibiViolet]

Hi,

I hope this is correct forum?

How can there be fire and ice in hell at the same time, or is that figurative language? Not sure what the bible verses means. I know that comes before Dante’s Inferno, which i am not sure how how much the Catholic Church upholds.

I have heard rooms get cold sometimes when evil is present too. Why is that?? I wonder how the evil one being spiritual can affect the physical. Any ideas?

As far as Dante goes, that is figurative.

As far as cold or icy feelings in a room caused by demons, it can certainly happen, although such activity is rare. It’s not as rare as people think it is though. I don’t know how the demons manage to manipulate physical things the way that they do and have often pondered that question and if you were to ask the opinion of various exorcist priests (and they actually gave it to you) than they would probably each have their own theory in this matter, but no concrete answer. It’s really not important though in the grand scheme of things. When the Second Coming happens, the power of the demons (which comes from God of course) will fade away and the demons will be quite furious…

 

[GodHeals]

As far I know, Dante’s inferno is fiction. It’s not the actual revelation. Dante didn’t really go to hell. It’s fiction

I have heard Mary has more power than all the Saints in heaven combined, not sure if that statement included angels too… I wonder if she has more power than Angels?

 

[GodHeals]

As far as Dante goes, that is figurative.

As far as cold or icy feelings in a room caused by demons, it can certainly happen, although such activity is rare. It’s not as rare as people think it is though. I don’t know how the demons manage to manipulate physical things the way that they do and have often pondered that question and if you were to ask the opinion of various exorcist priests (and they actually gave it to you) than they would probably each have their own theory in this matter, but no concrete answer. It’s really not important though in the grand scheme of things. When the Second Coming happens, the power of the demons (which comes from God of course) will fade away and the demons will be quite furious…

Father Barron talks about how we turn in on ourselves and are weighed down in ice, probably from Dante? It just seems fire (which can be understood as a cleansing purification from God and the light of God, but also torment) somehow has some connection with ice… and being weighed down and cold. But i thought it was interesting that demons would make a room cold and thought there might be a connection that i am missing.

 

[BluesPicker]

I have heard Mary has more power than all the Saints in heaven combined, not sure if that statement included angels too… I wonder if she has more power than Angels?

The Immaculate Virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven is above all created beings. Next to Jesus Christ she is the most powerful exorcist.

 

[Nan_S]

Cold burns. In some ways it’s worse than burns from heat, because the flesh is both dead and completely immobile. Also, unlike burns from heat, the cell integrity is destroyed so that restoring circulation is difficult to impossible.

Did anyone here ever get frostbite (or nearly get frostbite)? Did you ever leave something in the deep freezer too long and then discover it was spoiled by freezer burn? Flesh burned by cold is not fun, and when attached to living tissue it hurts badly. Or rather, the plane of contact between the living flesh and the frozen flesh hurts.

Evil is not the opposite of God. To claim it is the opposite would make evil as strong as God, but that is not the case. Evil is the absence of God. It makes perfect sense that demons bring cold with them.

In the same way, cold is not the opposite of heat. Cold is the absence of heat. There is a temperature called Absolute Zero below which cold can not go, -457.69 degrees fahrenheit. But heat has no upper limit; stars can reach temperatures of tens of thousands of degrees.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

As far as Dante goes, that is figurative.

As far as cold or icy feelings in a room caused by demons, it can certainly happen, although such activity is rare. It’s not as rare as people think it is though. I don’t know how the demons manage to manipulate physical things the way that they do and have often pondered that question and if you were to ask the opinion of various exorcist priests (and they actually gave it to you) than they would probably each have their own theory in this matter, but no concrete answer. It’s really not important though in the grand scheme of things. When the Second Coming happens, the power of the demons (which comes from God of course) will fade away and the demons will be quite furious…

I think it’s more the effect they have on the person or people they’re affecting. The person might feel an intense coldness, but if a thermometer were in the same room, would it register a frigid temperature?

I suspect not.

The demonic presence has an effect on the perceptions of the person or people is the way I see it. They “feel” an intense cold, which may not exist in reality in that room.

The same principle often applies to the heavenly. When Mary appeared at Fatima, it’s my understanding that only the three children could see her. Other people witnessed the effect on the children, and at her last appearance, they experienced the dancing sun and sudden drying of ground and clothes, but they could not see Mary herself, or hear what she had to say. She granted that perception to the three children only.

Even the dancing sun was visible only to those withing a certain radius of Fatima.

Yet is is in the same time zone as London, then the centre of the British Empire fighting for it’s life on the Western Front. But not one person in London saw the dancing sun.

God played a conjuring trick on the 70,000 witnesses at Fatima and the surrounding area only, as a means of enforcing a message. He gave them a terrifying perception. The sun in reality did not dance, but it seemed to, and it frightened the witnesses to the core.

Same thing when demons make a room appear ice cold. They fool with our minds.