Hell - separation from God or fire and torture?

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Hi everyone - Ive become interested in the various notions of Hell - eternal sepeartion from God? Fire and torture? What do Catholics think of “annihilation”? Also, any chance for people to choose God and Heaven after physical death? What are the official Catholic doctrines on this? Thanks!
 
Hi everyone - Ive become interested in the various notions of Hell - eternal sepeartion from God? Fire and torture? What do Catholics think of “annihilation”? Also, any chance for people to choose God and Heaven after physical death? What are the official Catholic doctrines on this? Thanks!
1.Both
2.Wrong
3. No
4. God!!! Big texts…
 
Fire and brimstone is simply poetic descriptions of the pain the damned feel in their eternal separation from God. We humans need to visualise to understand and relate.

And no the souls of the departed do not get a chance to choose God and heaven after death. This is your chance, right here, right now. Don’t blow it. Enter the Church He established as the arc of salvation for mankind.
 
Both.

Those in Hell are seperated from God. Those in Hell burn and are in torment.

A better understanding of Hell is a vital part of living the Faith and sharing it with others. Most in our society, including most Catholics sadly, operate under the assumption that if you don’t murder anyone (anyone born at least) or rob any banks, then you are pretty much locked into going to heaven. This is totally out of line with authentic Catholic teaching. Those who die with the stain of mortal sin on their souls go to Hell.

Pax
 
Hi everybody and thanks for your replies! Seems that people have different understandings of this (which is expected!) I have been told by Catholic friends that 1)the Church believes Hell is eternal separation from God (but not fire and brimstone and torture), 2)people can reach Heaven (being with God) if, during this life, they responded “to the truth as it has been given to theem”. I was intrested in seeing if the folks on this forum have the same understanding. Thanks for your responses!
 
Hi everybody and thanks for your replies! Seems that people have different understandings of this (which is expected!) I have been told by Catholic friends that 1)the Church believes Hell is eternal separation from God (but not fire and brimstone and torture), 2)people can reach Heaven (being with God) if, during this life, they responded “to the truth as it has been given to theem”. I was intrested in seeing if the folks on this forum have the same understanding. Thanks for your responses!
I just need to ask, what type of Hell would that be? Would it not be torture being separated from God, who is love himself?
 
Hi everybody and thanks for your replies! Seems that people have different understandings of this (which is expected!) I have been told by Catholic friends that 1)the Church believes Hell is eternal separation from God (but not fire and brimstone and torture), 2)people can reach Heaven (being with God) if, during this life, they responded “to the truth as it has been given to theem”. I was intrested in seeing if the folks on this forum have the same understanding. Thanks for your responses!
If you have been taught the Church teaches Hell is not uncomfortable (i.e. extremely painful) you have been taught incorrectly. The suffering in Purgatory is also quite real. I think many people have an idea that Purgatory is kind of a waiting room for heaven, where you just hang out for awhile. It is very painful, although not as torturous as Hell proper.

Pax Christi
 
St. Faustina vision of Hell

"Today, I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it, a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is conditional darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of satan, the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like.

I, sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, then offend You by the least sin. (Diary 741).
 
Hi everybody and thanks for your replies! Seems that people have different understandings of this (which is expected!) I have been told by Catholic friends that 1)the Church believes Hell is eternal separation from God (but not fire and brimstone and torture), 2)people can reach Heaven (being with God) if, during this life, they responded “to the truth as it has been given to theem”. I was intrested in seeing if the folks on this forum have the same understanding. Thanks for your responses!
In answer to #2, while it isn’t a sure plan, we have reason to hope that God has unrevealed means of redeeming those who live according to the good that they know but for various reasons they did not become Christian, crediting to them that, if they had had the opportunity and information, they would have been willing to receive baptism etc. This does not apply to someone who, with full knowledge, rejects the Church.
 
St. Faustina vision of Hell

"Today, I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it, a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is conditional darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of satan, the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but** that is not the end of the sufferings**. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like.

I, sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, then offend You by the least sin. (Diary 741).
Scary.
 
Hi everyone - Ive become interested in the various notions of Hell - eternal sepeartion from God? Fire and torture? What do Catholics think of “annihilation”? Also, any chance for people to choose God and Heaven after physical death? What are the official Catholic doctrines on this? Thanks!
Hey Zaida,

Here’s what is written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding salvation of those outside the Church, who don’t know God:

*846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 *
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#847

It’s God’s mercy vs. God’s justice. Various people come down on various sides of this doctrine. Some Christians are taught and believe that hell is not real, but only a literary invention or a scare tactic. (Many atheists believe that humans invented religion and an the notion of an afterlife as a way to deal with the harshness of death and bring themselves comfort…So the question is–why then would anyone invent the notion of a judgment and hell after death. It’s not a very comforting idea…Doesnt’ make any sense.)

And some believe that everyone who doesn’t believe or know Jesus as their personal Lord and savior is going to hell.

I think we have to realize that hell is a real place. It is taught by Jesus, the apostles, it continues to be taught by the Catholic Church and other orthodox Christian churches.

Yet there are plenty of verses in the Bible that can give us hope that the Lord knows each and everyone of us well. He knows how much stuff we’re dealing with, how much stuff we’ve had piled on us from childhood and he will judge accordingly. And Jesus had much more anger towards the religious leaders who constantly showed their hypocrisy. He said—“If you were blind you would not be guilty, but you remain guilty because you claim to see.” There are other verses that speak to the fact that a person’s knowledge of God’s revelation will determine one’s culpability.

We cannot discard the doctrine because it is uncomfortable. But we can hope and we can accept the Lord’s promise and do our best everyday to follow His commandments, ideally out of love, not fear.

God Bless.
 
I teach young children. When they ask what Hell is like I tell them it is like your worst day multiplied by one hundred. I tell them our bodies stay here after we die but our souls, the part of us that knows and feels things like emotions go to Heaven, or Purgatory or to Hell. I first explain what Heaven might be like - love, happiness, brightness. Sort of like your birthday and Christmas all rolled into one. A party with God, the angels, and the saints. Then I tell them Hell is the exact opposite. I ask them to imagine a day where where the sun never comes up, you did not do your homework, you break your arm, you did not eat breakfast - or lunch - or dinner. You are lost, you feel sick - all at the same time.

Then I am very quick to tell them that God has a lot of mercy and he can let anyone he wants into Heaven and that he gave us the wonderful gift called Reconciliation.
 
If you have been taught the Church teaches Hell is not uncomfortable (i.e. extremely painful) you have been taught incorrectly. The suffering in Purgatory is also quite real. I think many people have an idea that Purgatory is kind of a waiting room for heaven, where you just hang out for awhile. It is very painful, although not as torturous as Hell proper.

Pax Christi
THe Church gives no opinion of exactly the state of the sould in Purgatory- only that Purgatory exists. The Church does not describe what it is like.
 
I think we are going to get in Hell exactly what we loved most on earth.

Some guy who lifted weights and looked at himself in the mirror every chance he got is going to have to lift weights for eternity without ever resting until his bones break and his muscles give out, and then he will do it some more through eternity. .

Some guy who washed his car two times every day is going to spend eternity washing and waxing his car, even after it has become a pile of rusted metal, there he will be, waxing and washing it.

And I… I will have demons cramming junk food - Hostess Fruit Pies and Ring Dings and Oreo Cookies and peanut butter cups - down my throat for all eternity. There won’t be a piece of lettuce or a carrot within 1000 miles and the only thing to drink will be large Dunkin Donuts Coffee with three sugars and lots of cream. Exactly what I craved on earth will be what I get in hell. That will be hell for me.

-Tim-
 
Well, hell in the Church’s tradition is both fire and separation from God. Remember though that all good comes from God, so the immense vacuum proceeding from that separation is torment in and of itself. While our life on Earth is our only chance to choose one or the other, the Church does teach that we will be punished there according to what we deserve. Logically following from that is the idea that if a person was invincibly ignorant about Christ - meaning they had no opportunity for choice in their mortal lives - they may attain to Heaven by God’s mercy. There will still be, most likely, a potent stint in Purgatory because without the grace of God and His sacraments they will still be poisoned with the stain of Original Sin and will not have obtained any objective holiness in their souls.
 
I think we are going to get in Hell exactly what we loved most on earth.

Some guy who lifted weights and looked at himself in the mirror every chance he got is going to have to lift weights for eternity without ever resting until his bones break and his muscles give out, and then he will do it some more through eternity. .

Some guy who washed his car two times every day is going to spend eternity washing and waxing his car, even after it has become a pile of rusted metal, there he will be, waxing and washing it.

And I… I will have demons cramming junk food - Hostess Fruit Pies and Ring Dings and Oreo Cookies and peanut butter cups - down my throat for all eternity. There won’t be a piece of lettuce or a carrot within 1000 miles and the only thing to drink will be large Dunkin Donuts Coffee with three sugars and lots of cream. Exactly what I craved on earth will be what I get in hell. That will be hell for me.
-Tim-
Tim, that sounds more like the purgatory category.
 
St. Faustina vision of Hell

"Today, I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it, a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is conditional darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of satan, the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like.

I, sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, then offend You by the least sin. (Diary 741).
I think I’ll go with this and the other saints description of down below.
 
Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses…and Tim…I will be right there with you with the junk food! Thats certainly my weakness…oh those reeses peanut butter cups! 🙂
 
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