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If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
 
My first thought when reading this is—Heck Yeah!!! But I am certain that if I were to think and allow my better angels to speak I would say it isnt like that. God is like the good parent - he weeps when he sees his children take the wrong path. No parent wants to see thier child choose ruination. Just my 2 cents worth 🙂
 
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If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
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The souls in hell choose hell. God doesn’t send them there - they send themselves. I’ve heard it said that the door to hell is locked from the inside.
 
theotikos said:
If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
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God gave us free will to accept his love or reject it. He wants us to love him but he will not force us. If our freewill is taken away we are just a bunch of robots.
 
theotikos said:
If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
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He doesn’t allow people to go to Hell. In fact, God paid the ultimate sacrifice, giving His only Son to die on the cross, just so people won’t keep falling into hell. Love is a choice and we have free will, we should choose to love God so we won’t end up in hell. God cannot force us to love Him, that will not be true love if God forces Himself on us.
 
theotikos said:
If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
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Let me ask you this question 🙂

how can Jesus take them into Heaven and into perfect communion with Him (heaven is more than just being physically close to God or seeing Him) - when their whole being is opposed to that, through their choice? that would be tremendous pain for them…in fact, just like the pain of hell. The presence of God would be torture for the soul that has rejected Him, which is what unrepentance is.

Have you ever read CS Lewis’ book “the Great Divorce”? It deals with this whole topic and it’s very interesting 🙂

God bless!
 
Sometimes people will say that God cannot be merciful and still allow people to go to hell. But if you believe that people choose to condemn themselves to hell rather than be in the presence of God, then clearly it’s merciful to allow them that choice. Presumably the pain of hell is less than the pain of God’s presence for those who go there.

I think purgatory may also be a choice we make. Do we desire to be with God enough that we will endure the purification we will have to go through first. I tend to think that it is probably less painful to purify ourselves on earth than in purgatory.
 
See this story of a priest, and Mary’s intervention from him going to hell. It looks like it was on EWTN. The sound of the show seems familiar.
youtube.com/watch?v=L1xFfFy0PlM

What do you guys think? Its 3:29 minutes long.

I appreciate all your comments by the way. Everyone’s interesting.
 
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If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?
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the choose to go there in that they reject God, reject all Jesus’ saving help and power, over and over, even at the moment of death when they come face to face with God. Nobody is sent to hell or pushed, they jump. They refuse to remain in His presence and because he gives them free will they leave.
 
theotikos said:
See this story of a priest, and Mary’s intervention from him going to hell. It looks like it was on EWTN. The sound of the show seems familiar.
youtube.com/watch?v=L1xFfFy0PlM

What do you guys think? Its 3:29 minutes long.

I appreciate all your comments by the way. Everyone’s interesting.
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Perhaps Mary advocated for him because at his judgment it sounds like he had the humility before Jesus that he had lacked in his life as a priest. It is a powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing it. I have also heard that Satan argues for our soul at judgment and Mary defends. My mother is near death and I ask Blessed Mary and St. Michael to be with her and protect her.
 
momor said:
Perhaps Mary advocated for him because at his judgment it sounds like he had the humility before Jesus that he had lacked in his life as a priest. It is a powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing it. I have also heard that Satan argues for our soul at judgment and Mary defends. My mother is near death and I ask Blessed Mary and St. Michael to be with her and protect her.
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I hope your mother receives consolation. Be sure to put her in name in a mass intention. Glad you liked the video 🙂
 
theotikos said:
If God doesn’t want people to go there then why does he allow them to?

I know you guys are going to say its because of free will. But Jesus can step in and take them out of there. So I am guessing he does believe some deserve punishment. People can be evil. They kill innocent children, treat animals like dung, they lack compassion, commit every sin under the sun and then do not give thanks to their Creator for their life. Why shouldn’t He? Sorry not the saintly one today. I wouldn’t want to go there myself but theoretically speaking if I did, I would see that I deserved to go because He is just in His ways.
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*Well, thinking about this and dwelling on a few things I have read on different threads, I am lead to believe that the reason God allows them to go to hell is because that is what makes them happy.
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simple_soul said:
*Well, thinking about this and dwelling on a few things I have read on different threads, I am lead to believe that the reason God allows them to go to hell is because that is what makes them happy.
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Well, I don’t know if “happy” is the word, but I think – as someone mentioned earlier – the souls in hell would be more miserable to be in the Presence of God.

I think that God honors our requests and gives us what we choose. If we choose to love and serve the Lord, we will spend eternity with Him. If we choose another god, well, . . .

momor, your mom is in our prayers.

God bless,
Dan
 
danonwaveland said:
Well, I don’t know if “happy” is the word, but I think – as someone mentioned earlier – the souls in hell would be more miserable to be in the Presence of God.

I think that God honors our requests and gives us what we choose. If we choose to love and serve the Lord, we will spend eternity with Him. If we choose another god, well, . . .

momor, your mom is in our prayers.

God bless,
Dan
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*Thinking about this some more I am still not sure if “happy” would or would not be the word to use.
I guess the point I am trying to make I believe sometimes our image and understanding of God can give us a misunderstanding of what Eternity in Heavenly Bliss or tormented hell will be like. I believe that since God is all encompassing, Eternity will be in His presence. For some of us it will be Eternal Bliss, for others it will be a sheer continual frustrated torment of fear, hate and judgments and condemnations that we either do to ourselves and each other.
What I believe I am beginning to understand is either state can and does starts in this life.
the reason why is because sometimes I hear God explained as a God who keeps a tally of all our wrongs that we have ever done and is just waiting to punish us for them, if we have not suffered enough for them while on earth, when we get to Eternity.
Then I hear God explained as a God of unconditional Love and Mercy. That as long as I am willing to ask and accept His Divine Unconditional Love and Mercy that He just opens His arms and accepts me back into His house like the Father in the story of the Prodigal Son.
To me, the first understanding of God is hell…
The second understanding is Heaven…

To others it may be the exact opposite. If it is will they be “happy”?
I do not know but I am lead to believe that some people may find it so familiar that they may believe they are happy…

Does this make more sense?

God Bless you too,
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