Hello I am new and I am a Protestant and I am here to learn about the Roman Catholic Church anyway my questions are ?

[qui_est_ce]

The name used for Peter is not “petra” but “petros”, which is the masculine form and means a small rock or a pebble, as the word occurs twice in the sentence, once as the name, once as the thing on which Christ will build His Church. Protestant theologians argue that Jesus did not intend “petros” to be the “petra” (rock) on which He would build His Church. However, this forgets that Jesus was speaking Aramaic. In Aramaic, the name is Cephas, which means rock, so Jesus was saying that Peter was the rock on which the Church would be built.

And let’s not forget that the setting was Caesarea Phillipi, an area of huge rock and altars to Roman Gods. Context is everything!

In French the word for rock is pierre. The name for Peter is Pierre.

 

[PJM]

=starsmurf;8436218]The name used for Peter is not “petra” but “petros”, which is the masculine form and means a small rock or a pebble, as the word occurs twice in the sentence, once as the name, once as the thing on which Christ will build His Church. Protestant theologians argue that Jesus did not intend “petros” to be the “petra” (rock) on which He would build His Church. However, this forgets that Jesus was speaking Aramaic. In Aramaic, the name is Cephas, which means rock, so Jesus was saying that Peter was the rock on which the Church would be built.

So then my friend; these same theologiians explian the following…HOW

Eph.4:1 to 7

“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [meaning ONLY one Church] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [MEANING ONLY ONE SET OF FAITH-BELIEFS] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.”

And this:**Eph. 2:19-20 **“So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph. 5: 23 Christ is the head of the church [singular] , his body, [singular]

Or the FACT that no where in the entire Bibles does God even once allow beoief in more than Him alone; One set of Faith-beliefs and Only One Church. [Which is exactly what Christ did].

Ignoring truth can’t change thee truth

God Bless,
Pat

 

[starsmurf]

So then my friend; these same theologiians explian the following…HOW

Eph.4:1 to 7

“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [meaning ONLY one Church] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [MEANING ONLY ONE SET OF FAITH-BELIEFS] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.”

And this:**Eph. 2:19-20 **“So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph. 5: 23 Christ is the head of the church [singular] , his body, [singular]

Or the FACT that no where in the entire Bibles does God even once allow beoief in more than Him alone; One set of Faith-beliefs and Only One Church. [Which is exactly what Christ did].

Ignoring truth can’t change thee truth

God Bless,
Pat

I AM A CATHOLIC!!!

I am not supporting those arguments, I was simply responding to what a previous poster had said the argument of those Protestant theologians was. If you had actually read the post, you would have seen that I pointed out that their argument did not hold water, as strangely enough, the conversation did not take place in Latin.

Ignoring what a poster is actually saying causes upset.

 

[PJM]

=starsmurf;8439178]I AM A CATHOLIC!!!

I am not supporting those arguments, I was simply responding to what a previous poster had said the argument of those Protestant theologians was. If you had actually read the post, you would have seen that I pointed out that their argument did not hold water, as strangely enough, the conversation did not take place in Latin.

Ignoring what a poster is actually saying causes upset.

Your RIGHT! Sorry

But actually I was responding to the same poster as you.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[PJM]

Hello I am new and I am a Protestant and I am here to learn about the Roman Catholic Church anyway my questions are these how do Catholics know that Saint Peter the Apostle was the first Pope ? Also is there any evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church from the Holy Bible ? Also my last question is how do Roman Catholics know that the Roman Catholic Church was and is the first Christian Church as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox Church like the Greek Orthodox Church thank you

My dear friend in Christ,
Here is the biblical evidence that answers both questions:
Peter the first Pope:

Peter’s name occurs first in all lists of apostles **(Mt 10:2; Mk 3:16; Lk 6:14; Acts 1:13). **Matthew even calls him the “first” **(10:2). **

1. Matthew 16:18: “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.”

The rock (Greek, petra) referred to here is St. Peter himself, not his faith or Jesus Christ. Christ appears here not as the foundation, but as the architect who “builds.” The Church is built, not on confessions, but on confessors - living men (see, e.g.,** 1 Pet 2:5).** Today, the overwhelming consensus of the great majority of all biblical scholars and commentators is in favor of the traditional Catholic understanding. Here St. Peter is spoken of as the foundation-stone of the Church, making him head and superior of the family of God (i.e., the seed of the doctrine of the papacy). Moreover, Rock embodies a metaphor applied to him by Christ in a sense analogous to the suffering and despised Messiah **(1 Pet 2:4-8; **

**2. Matthew 16:19 **“I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . .”

The “power of the keys” has to do with ecclesiastical discipline and administrative authority with regard to the requirements of the faith, as in Isaiah **22:22 (cf. Is 9:6; Job 12:14; Rev 3:7). **From this power flows the use of censures, excommunication, absolution, baptismal discipline, the imposition of penances, and legislative powers. In the Old Testament a steward, or prime minister is a man who is “over a house” (Gen 41:40; 43:19; 44:4; 1 Ki 4:6; 16:9; 18:3 “Binding” and “loosing” were technical rabbinical terms, which meant to “forbid” and “permit” with reference to the interpretation of the law, and secondarily to “condemn” or “place under the ban” or “acquit.” Thus, St. Peter and the popes are given the authority to determine the rules for doctrine and life, by virtue of revelation and the Spirit’s leading (Jn 16:13), and to demand obedience from the Church. “Binding and loosing” represent the legislative and judicial powers of the papacy and the bishops **(Mt 18:17-18; Jn 20:23). **

Your second question is easier to prove. Christ founded ONLY one Church; based on One common set of beliefs, with Only One God. No where in the entire bible; OT or NT is there evidence of anything but “ONE.” The NT alone has over 100 references to only “One Church: being founded; with ONLY the One Faith. *

The Roman Catholic Church was the ONLY Christian church in existence; and had as part of it; churches in the Eastern providences that in the year 1010 AD [one thousand years after Christ Death], separated from the RCC, and became today’s Eastern Catholic Churches. These same churches answered too Rome until the Schism; even though they had there own inner-workings.

This brak-away, history refers too as the “Great eastern Schism” and can be Googled for verification.

Let me know if you need additional evidence?

***God Bless you,
Pat
PJM ****

 

[PJM]

=Monica4316;8436177]Here is a great article by Scott Hahn where he talks about the Papacy in the Bible and specifically in Isaiah. catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp

here is another resource:

catholic.com/tracts/browse/Papacy

God bless!

THANKS Monica!

GREAT article,

God Bless,
Pat

 

[joe370]

Hey missouricitizen…

Hello I am new and I am a Protestant and I am here to learn about the Roman Catholic Church anyway my questions are these how do Catholics know that Saint Peter the Apostle was the first Pope ?

I seriously doubt that Peter referred to himself as a Pope, aka father. The title Pope was first used by the Patriarch of Alexandria in the 3rd century and a little later, adopted by the CC regarding the Bishop of Rome and history clearly demonstrates that Peter was the first bishop of Antioch before heading off to Rome where he became the bishop of Rome and passed on his mantle to his successor prior to his demise, which was quite necessary because Jesus’ church didn’t stop being built on Peter upon his demise. You might find the following site rather informative: file:///home/joe/Desktop/Papal%20Supremacy

Also is there any evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church from the Holy Bible ?

From scripture? Nope. The bible does not mention the catholic church, any of the eastern orthodox churches or any of protestant churches, but men like Ignatius, a pupil of Peter, absolutely mentions the word catholic. When Ignatius wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans circa 100 AD he used the word catholic as if it were a word already readily used to describe Jesus’ one church:

*“Wherever the bishop is, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” *

What’s interesting is the fact that Ignatius, a bishop of Antioch, who was taught and ordained directly by the apostles didn’t seem to feel the need to explain or defend the name catholic, which clearly points to an earlier time for the beginning of the name Catholic. Another interesting aspect regarding Antioch is the fact that it was from Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first called “Christians.”

For anyone to reject the word catholic merely because it’s not found in the bible would be the same as rejecting the word trinity it is found nowhere in the bible, nor does the bible give explicit formulas for the nature of the Trinity as commonly used today, such as “one God is three persons,” or “three persons, one nature.” Yet, the word Trinity, developed within the Catholic Church, continues to be an essential belief for nearly every Protestant denomination.

As a former protestant myself, I was quite willing to embrace the Catholic Church’s teaching on the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the closed canon of the New
Testament, etc., all the while rejecting other teachings of the Catholic Church. Of course I now realize how absurd that way of thinking really was, and that it is in the Catholic Church that we find both the fulness of the faith and the visible, universal body of Christ.

Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, (60 – 155) - also used the word catholic many times and he was a disciple of the Apostle John just as John was a disciple of Jesus. In the Martyrdom of Polycarp, written at the time of Polycarp’s death, we find the following:

“The Church of God which sojourns in Smyrna, to the Church of God which sojourns in Philomelium, and to all the dioceses of the holy and Catholic Church in every place.” (Encyclical Epistle of the Church at Smyrnam, Preface)

Also, in that same book it says:

“When Polycarp had finished his prayer, in which he remembered everyone with whom he had ever been acquainted . . . and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world.”

And finally:

“Now with the Apostles and all the just [Polycarp] is glorifying God and the Father Almighty, and he is blessing our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of our souls, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world”

Clearly Christian leaders, early in the second century, regularly used the word catholic as an established description of Jesus’ Church. Jesus used the word church twice in the NT, In Matthew, He said, “I will build my Church” (Mt 16:18); He didn’t say churches nor did he imply it would be an invisible church made up of competing groups. The scriptural plan was to build a visible, recognizable church. And in Matthew 18:17 Jesus said that if one brother offends another they were to take it to “the Church”. The word “the” refers to a specific entity as opposed to some "invisible church or “churches.” It refers to one visible, recognizable church that can be expected to have a recognizable leadership with universal authority just as scripture demonstrates.

It occurred to me, long ago, as a former protestant, that within the protestant sphere there is no recognizable leadership with universal authority. For example, If a Lutheran disagrees with a Presbyterian, or a presbyterian disagrees with a Pentecostal, which “church” do they take it to for adjudication? Neither, What they would happen if one brother disagrees with another in the protestant sphere, each person, belonging to a different church, simply takes it to scripture. Not only is there zero biblical bases for doing that, it is sadly, why there are hundreds and hundreds of denominations existing outside the physical bounds of the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

 

[joe370]

Hello I am new and I am a Protestant and I am here to learn about the Roman Catholic Church anyway my questions are these how do Catholics know that Saint Peter the Apostle was the first Pope ? Also is there any evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church from the Holy Bible ? Also my last question is how do Roman Catholics know that the Roman Catholic Church was and is the first Christian Church as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox Church like the Greek Orthodox Church thank you ?

Also my last question is how do Roman Catholics know that the Roman Catholic Church was and is the first Christian Church as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox Church like the Greek Orthodox Church thank you ?

All protestant churches trace their origin back to the 16th century, at best, so that rules all of them out as a possible candidate. Both the EOC(es) and the CC can trace their origin all the way back to the apostolic age. Matthew 16 tells us that Jesus built His church on Peter (Kepha) - and said that the gates of hell would never prevail against His mystical Body, the Church, and if you do some digging you’ll see that the CC is the only church that claims to be that church, and rightfully so. The Greek Orthodox church, albeit a wonderful church that continues to maintain a legitimate and historical continuity/continuation of the apostolic age, does not claim to be the church of Matthew 16 nor does history support such a notion. As per history, only the one CC, which also continues to maintain a legitimate and historical continuity/continuation of the apostolic age, can rightfully make that claim via the Papacy which is why so many non-Catholics strongly take issue with the Papacy and why they interpret Matthew 16 as the church built on Peter’s confession, which, grammatically speaking never made any sense to me.